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Nevilledog

(53,892 posts)
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 02:12 PM Aug 2024

Why Trump's Arlington Debacle Is So Serious

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/08/trump-arlington-cemetery/679659/

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https://web.archive.org/web/20240830154819/https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/08/trump-arlington-cemetery/679659/

The section of Arlington National Cemetery that Donald Trump visited on Monday is both the liveliest and the most achingly sad part of the grand military graveyard, set aside for veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. In Section 60, young widows can be seen using clippers and scissors to groom the grass around their husbands’ tombstones as lots of children run about.

Karen Meredith knows the saddest acre in America only too well. The California resident’s son, First Lieutenant Kenneth Ballard, was the fourth generation of her family to serve as an Army officer. He was killed in Najaf, Iraq, in 2004, and laid to rest in Section 60. She puts flowers on his gravesite every Memorial Day. “It’s not a number, not a headstone,” she told me. “He was my only child.”

The sections of Arlington holding Civil War and World War I dead have a lonely and austere beauty. Not Section 60, where the atmosphere is sanctified but not somber—too many kids, Meredith recalled from her visits to her son’s burial site. “We laugh, we pop champagne. I have met men who served under him, and they speak of him with such respect. And to think that this man”—she was referring to Trump—“came here and put his thumb up—”

She fell silent for a moment on the telephone, taking a gulp of air. “I’m trying not to cry.”

For Trump, defiling what is sacred in our civic culture borders on a pastime. Peacefully transferring power to the next president, treating political adversaries with at least rudimentary grace, honoring those soldiers wounded and disfigured in service of our country—Trump long ago walked roughshod over all these norms. Before he tried to overturn a national election, he mocked his opponents in the crudest terms and demeaned dead soldiers as “suckers.”

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Why Trump's Arlington Debacle Is So Serious (Original Post) Nevilledog Aug 2024 OP
"'And to think that this man'--she was referring to Trump--'came here and put his thumb up--'" PSPS Aug 2024 #1
Defiling Bayard Aug 2024 #2
TY.. It looks like TSF knows he's in deep shit doing what he did.. Cha Aug 2024 #3
How do you get no-paywall news links? Bucky Aug 2024 #4
It's really easy. Nevilledog Aug 2024 #5
😌 Bucky Aug 2024 #7
Thank you Democratic Angel!!! wolfie001 Aug 2024 #8
There are a few publications it can't crack, but it's really useful. Nevilledog Aug 2024 #10
Another way to do it is to go into your brower settings , , , markpkessinger Aug 2024 #27
it's such an utter lack of respect Skittles Aug 2024 #6
Another sick thing... 2naSalit Aug 2024 #9
Trickle down.. BattleRow Aug 2024 #19
And if he were aware of their feelings Sky Jewels Aug 2024 #11
Another perspective: If he was aware of anyone elses feelings, he wouldn't be trump. erronis Aug 2024 #16
I think people like JD usedtobedemgurl Aug 2024 #20
Every day is something new that makes me wonder what the fuckin' fuck. twodogsbarking Aug 2024 #12
Kick Cha Aug 2024 #13
Pure evil. mwb970 Aug 2024 #14
Trump and company were told it was illegal to film @ the grave site but they did it anyway and Botany Aug 2024 #15
Don't forget Speaker Mike's part in making it happen. CrispyQ Aug 2024 #26
Yeah, but Cox still did it to be seen with one of Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2024 #33
This better be in the news for weeks ! RANDYWILDMAN Aug 2024 #17
Absolutely !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DENVERPOPS Aug 2024 #21
If you do not feel the solemness when at Arlington liberal N proud Aug 2024 #18
I have friends and former colleagues who are COL Mustard Aug 2024 #22
"He Was My Only Child" DallasNE Aug 2024 #23
Makes me mad every time I read about it. They didn't have to go. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2024 #24
I WANT THE NAME OF HIS GROUP THAT PUSHED THE FEMALE OFFICER! BComplex Aug 2024 #25
Steven Cheung. Trump's campaign spokesperson. Botany Aug 2024 #28
Thank you, Botany! He needs to face the shame of the nation. What a creep. BComplex Aug 2024 #34
He played H.S. football ... total punk Botany Aug 2024 #35
I hope that the DOJ under Harris will be more pro active about that kind of threat. BComplex Aug 2024 #36
Trump Has Done This Before OhioTim Aug 2024 #29
The Dump of the highest Dishonor Blue Owl Aug 2024 #30
5000 Taliban prisoners freed krkaufman Aug 2024 #31
After the Doha Agreement was signed Postal Grunt Aug 2024 #32
That Was Negotated With The Taliban DallasNE Sep 2024 #37

PSPS

(14,393 posts)
1. "'And to think that this man'--she was referring to Trump--'came here and put his thumb up--'"
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 02:24 PM
Aug 2024

What was even more remarkable is that some of the human props he used for that shot had their thumbs up too. Just one big happy celebration!!111!!11!

Bayard

(24,563 posts)
2. Defiling
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 02:26 PM
Aug 2024

I like that word. He has been defiling patriotism, honesty, normalcy, and regular people for years.

Cha

(308,789 posts)
3. TY.. It looks like TSF knows he's in deep shit doing what he did..
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 02:29 PM
Aug 2024

the way he's trying to Weasel out of it.

He incited Storming the US Capitol Building and Now he's personally Stormed Arlington Cemetery

wolfie001

(4,278 posts)
8. Thank you Democratic Angel!!!
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 03:11 PM
Aug 2024

I'm not religious but this is the next best thing!!! Kudos!

markpkessinger

(8,691 posts)
27. Another way to do it is to go into your brower settings , , ,
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:06 PM
Aug 2024

I use Chrome. Under Site Settings->Customized Behaviors->Javascript, I add the following entry:



It doesn't work for all sites, but it definitely works for The Atlantic!

Skittles

(162,683 posts)
6. it's such an utter lack of respect
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 02:39 PM
Aug 2024

Trump is self-serving scum with zero awareness of the feelings of ANYONE else.

2naSalit

(96,187 posts)
9. Another sick thing...
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 03:20 PM
Aug 2024

About this event is that his shithead cult followers will do the same at national parks and other places where respect is warranted. I can see it now, someone at a bear jam in jellystone decides to push the one ranger on hand around and a gang forms and bad shit goes down. Bound to happen in coming tourist seasons. People have already shown they have no respect for these places, it was obvious when I was a ranger back several years ago now. It was so bad I had to get away from the park not just stop working there.

This will trickle down through the minions, sadly.

erronis

(18,424 posts)
16. Another perspective: If he was aware of anyone elses feelings, he wouldn't be trump.
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 04:02 PM
Aug 2024

Amazing how there are so many unempathetic people, especially in that party.

Botany

(73,625 posts)
15. Trump and company were told it was illegal to film @ the grave site but they did it anyway and
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 04:00 PM
Aug 2024

…. then released a video of it on Tik Tok. From The Atlantic:


A cemetery employee politely attempted to stop the campaign staff from filming in Section 60. Taking campaign photos and videos at gravesites is expressly forbidden under federal law. The Trump entourage, according to a subsequent statement by the U.S. Army, which oversees the cemetery, “abruptly pushed” her aside.

Trump’s campaign soon posted a video on TikTok, overlaid with Trump’s narration: “We didn’t lose one person in 18 months. And then they”—the Biden administration—“took over, that disaster of leaving Afghanistan.”

Trump was unsurprisingly not telling the truth; 11 soldiers were killed in Afghanistan in his last year in office, and his administration had itself negotiated the withdrawal. But such fabrications are incidental sins compared with what came next. A top Trump adviser, Chris LaCivita, and campaign spokesperson Steven Cheung talked to reporters and savaged the employee who had tried to stop the entourage. Cheung referred to her as “an unnamed individual, clearly suffering a mental-health episode.” LaCivita declared her a “despicable individual” who ought to be fired.

There was, of course, another way to handle this mistake. Governor Spencer Cox of Utah had accompanied Trump to the cemetery, and his campaign emailed out photos of the governor and the former president there. When challenged, Cox did what is foreign to Trump: He apologized. “You are correct,” Cox replied to a person criticizing the event on X, adding, “It did not go through the proper channels and should not have been sent. My campaign will be sending out an apology.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20240830154819/https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/08/trump-arlington-cemetery/679659/

CrispyQ

(39,306 posts)
26. Don't forget Speaker Mike's part in making it happen.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:01 PM
Aug 2024

These guys are so bereft of decency it's boggling. My opinion of people who still support the Republican Party has changed forever.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,277 posts)
33. Yeah, but Cox still did it to be seen with one of
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 02:25 PM
Aug 2024

the most disgustingly dishonest & disrespectful persons ever to walk the earth. He had to have known of the previous anti-military personnel comments Felon 45 made. Not to mention the insurrection.

And did Cox actually ever send an honest & true apology to those to whom he sent the initial "Look at me with the great Trump" email?

RANDYWILDMAN

(3,024 posts)
17. This better be in the news for weeks !
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 04:20 PM
Aug 2024

otherwise the MSM is not doing their job !

Trump is such a piece of garbage, but he has been talking shit about soldiers for years including Mccain and his freaky followers don't care, BUT THEY SHOULD !

DENVERPOPS

(11,491 posts)
21. Absolutely !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 12:03 PM
Aug 2024

The Dem Party should make this the center of attention every day until Nov 5th. Showing Trump and the Republican Party for their blatant and flagrant disrespect for the Military and the countless of them that have died for OUR DEMOCRACY.......

liberal N proud

(61,092 posts)
18. If you do not feel the solemness when at Arlington
Fri Aug 30, 2024, 04:35 PM
Aug 2024

There is something wrong with you.
There is a special feeling when on those grounds and it does not require any connection to anyone who sacrificed and is resting there.

COL Mustard

(7,282 posts)
22. I have friends and former colleagues who are
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 12:40 PM
Aug 2024

Buried there. What Asshole 45 did is far beyond the pale. He should be ashamed, but he has no shame.

BComplex

(9,322 posts)
25. I WANT THE NAME OF HIS GROUP THAT PUSHED THE FEMALE OFFICER!
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 12:51 PM
Aug 2024

I want that assholes name to be spread far and wide, and I don't want him to have another moment of peace in this lifetime.

BComplex

(9,322 posts)
34. Thank you, Botany! He needs to face the shame of the nation. What a creep.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 03:14 PM
Aug 2024

Just another trump asshole.

Botany

(73,625 posts)
35. He played H.S. football ... total punk
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 07:45 PM
Aug 2024

Last edited Sat Aug 31, 2024, 09:15 PM - Edit history (1)

I wish the woman would have filled charges against him and then the D. o J. could
keep an eye on her and bust any MAGA coward who tried to get at her.

BComplex

(9,322 posts)
36. I hope that the DOJ under Harris will be more pro active about that kind of threat.
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 09:08 PM
Aug 2024

It's time to put the domestic terrorists on notice that the rules have changed.

OhioTim

(327 posts)
29. Trump Has Done This Before
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:19 PM
Aug 2024

He finds a grieving family and uses them as props, promising that he will give their plight some national attention. Of course, he doesn't give a crap about anyone else, only his demented mind.

Blue Owl

(55,679 posts)
30. The Dump of the highest Dishonor
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:45 PM
Aug 2024

Time to lock his fat egomaniacal ass up and give him some time to contemplate what a hideous, horrible human being he is.

krkaufman

(13,811 posts)
31. 5000 Taliban prisoners freed
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 01:54 PM
Aug 2024

Yet another article discussing our exit from Afghanistan without mentioning the 5000 Taliban prisoners that the Trump Admin released merely to get to the peace table with the Taliban, and with no discussion of their becoming part of the force that overthrew the Afghan government.

Postal Grunt

(242 posts)
32. After the Doha Agreement was signed
Sat Aug 31, 2024, 02:12 PM
Aug 2024

it couldn't have taken very long for both civil and military leadership to realize that the rules of doing business were going to change and not for the better. When the US troops and contractors started to leave, the Afghan officers and officials knew what they had to do for their families and themselves to survive.The collapse of the Afghan government and military was predictable. The Trump administration just refused to admit it to themselves and the public that it was more than possible.

DallasNE

(7,727 posts)
37. That Was Negotated With The Taliban
Mon Sep 2, 2024, 01:33 AM
Sep 2024

The Afghanistan government was not even in the room and had no say. The 5,000 prisoners Trump released while in office were the core of the Taliban army that routed the Afghanistan military.

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