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So now, is there any doubt who had Epstein killed? (Original Post) Arthur_Frain Nov 2024 OP
You call it suicide, I call it murder. Enter stage left Nov 2024 #1
Tabloids usonian Nov 2024 #3
Perfect reference Hekate Nov 2024 #7
I'm sorry, I have a cold Arthur_Frain Nov 2024 #8
Epstein committed suicide Prairie Gates Nov 2024 #2
OoooKaaaay, sure he did... Enter stage left Nov 2024 #5
Beliefs like yours are one of the reasons we can't have productive public discourse in this country Prairie Gates Nov 2024 #9
Too convenient. Arthur_Frain Nov 2024 #10
Holy f'ng shit Enter stage left Nov 2024 #14
I agree with you. WAY too many coincidences. chouchou Nov 2024 #16
Except Bill Barr visited him as Attorney General of the United States. Kid Berwyn Nov 2024 #11
You certainly said a lot of things Prairie Gates Nov 2024 #12
Some Detail. Kid Berwyn Nov 2024 #15
Nope... 2naSalit Nov 2024 #4
Bill Barr *personally* questioned Epstein's cellmate after his death. RockRaven Nov 2024 #6
Bill Barr was the most "hands on" AG of my lifetime. Arthur_Frain Nov 2024 #13
I'm glad to see trump in the tabloids. He used it against HRC. Too bad Wolf did not release his tapes sooner tulipsandroses Nov 2024 #17

Prairie Gates

(4,923 posts)
2. Epstein committed suicide
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 11:11 PM
Nov 2024

Faced with the prospect of spending the rest of his life in prison, he killed himself. None of this is complicated.

Enter stage left

(4,014 posts)
5. OoooKaaaay, sure he did...
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 11:23 PM
Nov 2024

That's why the video recording of his cell failed WHEN he "committed suicide " and the "guards " fell asleep.

I'm pretty sure Epstein had knowledge of the exact moment both of those things would happen.

Prairie Gates

(4,923 posts)
9. Beliefs like yours are one of the reasons we can't have productive public discourse in this country
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 11:45 PM
Nov 2024

Good luck.

Arthur_Frain

(2,229 posts)
10. Too convenient.
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 11:46 PM
Nov 2024

I mean I try to resist conspiracy theories, I really do. But sometimes the coincidences just pile up.

Enter stage left

(4,014 posts)
14. Holy f'ng shit
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 12:12 AM
Nov 2024

You say "where is the evidence he was killed"?

I say why don't we have video evidence he "committed suicide "?

Look at from the other side, that we should rely on evidence.

Do you think it was suicide because Bill Barr said "it was suicide? ", DO you really believe Bill Barr?

I don't want a fight here, I want the department of corrections to show the fucking videos.

Is that too much to ask?

Kid Berwyn

(20,100 posts)
11. Except Bill Barr visited him as Attorney General of the United States.
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 11:47 PM
Nov 2024

And Bill Barr's father, Donald Barr, hired college dropout Jeffrey Epstein to teach math at The Dalton School of Manhattan, a college-prep academy of the first rank. The senior Barr was a veteran of the World War 2 Office of Strategic Services (OSS). Epstein and children and money and photography will compromise the heck out of a political class. How Roy Cohn put it:



ETA: IT IS MY OPINION that Barr is Trump's boss. And Putin's. And why Baby Doc Bush won't endorse anyone, as he can't without shining light on "his" small world, including the fact he's Barr's boss.

Kid Berwyn

(20,100 posts)
15. Some Detail.
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 12:13 AM
Nov 2024


The Ties That Bind Jeffrey Epstein, William Barr & Donald Trump

Todd Neikirk
Hill Reporter, May 19, 2019

During Attorney General, William Barr’s confirmation hearing, he was mostly peppered with questions about how he would handle the Mueller Report. Senator Ben Sasse’s (R-NE) questioning, however, diverged from the pack. Sasse asked Barr about the lenient sentence given out to billionaire pedophile, Jeffrey Epstein. The future Attorney General told Sasse that he would look into the matter.

This, however, was not the first connection between Barr and his family and the disgraced pedophile. In 1973, Barr’s father Donald, the headmaster at Manhattan’s Dalton School, hired Epstein as a calculus and physics teacher.

While hiring Epstein, a noted mathematics genius, was not strange on its face, the hire was unusual for a number of reasons. Epstein had not earned a college degree as he dropped out of New York’s prestigious Cooper Union. The other odd circumstance was that the new teacher was only 20 years of age.

Apparently, the hire was a successful one. The New Yorker wrote in a 2003 profile on Epstein, “he was something of a Robin Williams–in–Dead Poets Society type of figure, wowing his high-school classes with passionate mathematical riffs.” Epstein’s mathematical skills caught the eye of Bear Stearns’ chairman, Alan “Ace” Greenberg, whose son attended the Dalton School. Greenberg hired Epstein as an options trader and the former teacher was able to amass a fortune.

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Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20191125065640/https://hillreporter.com/the-ties-that-bind-jeffrey-epstein-william-barr-donald-trump-34107

Original URL: https://hillreporter.com/the-ties-that-bind-jeffrey-epstein-william-barr-donald-trump-34107







The Final Lesson Donald Trump Never Learned From Roy Cohn

The unrepentant political hitman who taught a younger Trump how to flout the rules didn’t get away with it forever.


By MICHAEL KRUSE
Politico, September 19, 2019

One of Donald Trump’s most important mentors, one of the most reviled men in American political history, is about to have another moment.

Roy Cohn, who has been described by people who knew him as “a snake,” “a scoundrel” and “a new strain of son of a bitch,” is the subject of a new documentary out this week from producer and director Matt Tyrnauer. It’s an occasion to once again look at Cohn and ask how much of him and his “savage,” “abrasive” and “amoral” behavior is visible in the behavior of the current president. Trump, as has been well-established, learned so much from the truculent, unrepentant Cohn about how to get what he wants, and he pines for Cohn and his notorious capabilities still. Trump, after all, reportedly has said so himself, and it’s now the name of this film: “Where’s My Roy Cohn?”

What Cohn could, and did, get away with was the very engine of his existence. The infamous chief counsel for the red-baiting, Joseph McCarthy-chaired Senate subcommittee in the 1950s, Cohn was indicted four times from the mid-’60s to the early ’70s—for stock-swindling and obstructing justice and perjury and bribery and conspiracy and extortion and blackmail and filing false reports. And three times he was acquitted—the fourth ended in a mistrial—giving him a kind of sneering, sinister sheen of invulnerability. Cohn, Tyrnauer’s work reaffirms, took his sanction-skirting capers and twisted them into a sort of suit of armor.

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“I decided long ago,” Cohn once told Penthouse, “to make my own rules.”

He was acquitted in ’64, and he was acquitted in ’69, and he was acquitted in ’71, all the while thumbing his nose at the feds, but Cohn’s screw-you stance was a lifelong philosophy, entitlement plus boldness.

He was “an incredibly spoiled princeling of an only child,” Cohn cousin David Lloyd Marcus told me. “He always got his way,” recalled his favorite aunt. As an adult, the resting expression on his face, which was marred by a scar that ran like a scrape down the middle of his nose, was a mixture of “arrogant disdain” and a “whipped-dog look,” people observed, “caught somewhere between a pout and a challenging glare.”

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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/19/roy-cohn-donald-trump-documentary-228144



An important picture that ties things from commie-hunting Joe McCarthy era to Richard Nixon to Ronald Reagan to Donald Trump via Roger Stone and Associates and the late Jeffrey Epstein:



The Ghost of Roy Cohn

BY TERRY MELANSON · AUGUST 24, 2014

EXCERPT...

In an interview with former NYPD detective James Rothstein, this author discovered that such operations do exist and go far back into America’s secret history. Rothstein is no conspiracy theorist. He is a legend in American law enforcement and speaks from experience. Furthermore, he gave me two notable examples from his time as a detective. Rothstein had an opportunity to have a sit-down with infamous McCarthy committee counsel Roy Cohn. During this sit-down, Cohn admitted to Rothstein that he was part of a rather elaborate sexual blackmail operation that compromised politicians with child prostitutes (Rothstein, no pagination). Cohn told Rothstein that this operation was being carried out as part of the anticommunist crusade of the time (no pagination).

Rothstein also had an opportunity to speak to infamous Watergate burglar Frank Sturgis. During this conversation, Sturgis revealed one of the reasons for breaking into the Watergate. According to Sturgis, there was a “Pedophile Book” hidden away at the Democratic National Committee headquarters (no pagination). The book was supposed to have a list of pedophiles on the American political scene (no pagination). One can only imagine the power G. Gordon Liddy would have held over the government if he had such a book in his possession.

I asked Rothstein if Roy Cohn was a real anticommunist or just using the fear of communism to justify his sex ring. It seemed like a fair question. After all, Cohn had argued against homosexuals being schoolteachers when he himself was a homosexual. Perhaps Cohn’s hypocrisy extended to his anticommunism. Rothstein made it clear that Cohn was a genuine anticommunist (no pagination). Anticommunist sentiments aside, evidence suggests that the sex ring operation started by Cohn was used for more than fighting the threat of domestic communists. Fugitive ex-CIA officer Frank Terpil has claimed that sexual blackmailing operations directed by the CIA were intensive in Washington during the Watergate era (DeCamp 179). Terpil also asserts that his former partner, Ed Wilson, was coordinating one of these sexual blackmail operations (179). In a letter to author Jim Hougan, Terpil revealed Wilson’s modus operandi:

“Historically, one of Wilson’s Agency jobs was to subvert members of both houses [of Congress] by any means necessary…. Certain people could be easily coerced by living out their sexual fantasies in the flesh…. A remembrance of these occasions [was] permanently recorded via selected cameras…. The technicians in charge of filming… were TSD [Technical Services Division of the CIA]. The unwitting porno stars advanced in their political careers, some of [whom] may still be in office.” (Qtd. in DeCamp 179)

According to John DeCamp, a former Nebraska Senator and Vietnam War hero, Wilson’s operation was merely a continuation of the one set up by Cohn (179). When I asked James Rothstein if Palfrey’s outfit was a continuation of the sexual blackmail rings that began with Cohn, he answered in the affirmative (Rothstein, pagination). The NYPD veteran made it clear that Palfrey’s outfit could not exist in Washington unless it was a tool for the power elite and sinister factions of the intelligence community (no pagination). Somewhere in a Queens cemetery, the corpse of a high-powered attorney is smiling in his grave.

SOURCE:

https://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2014/08/24/the-ghost-of-roy-cohn/



The same Roy Cohn who taught Donald Drumpf also schooled Roger Stone and Jeffrey Epstein...



... Who knew what when? In Palo Alto, after Epstein’s conviction, he was a guest at a dinner for the MIT neuroscientist Ed Boyden that was hosted by LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman. At the same dinner Elon Musk introduced Epstein to Mark Zuckerberg. Is money so powerful that it tramples all other considerations? As James Baldwin put it, “I can’t believe what you say, because I see what you do.”

One of the most remarkable moments in Tyrnauer’s documentary comes near the end, when it’s no longer possible to pretend that Cohn isn’t a liar and a fraud, when it’s no longer possible to deny that he lacks both shame and conscience. When Cohn was about to be disbarred in 1986 for defrauding his clients and for taking advantage of a dying and incompetent man, character witnesses began to emerge. There were letters to the court from William F. Buckley Jr., Barbara Walters, William Safire, and, of course, Trump, who wrote that Cohn “has been extremely loyal and extremely honest.” Were Cohn’s parties—was his protection—really that good?...

Source: https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a29130905/roy-cohn-documentary-wheres-my-roy-cohn/



In addition to their personal corruption, these are professional blackmailers and extortionists, the kind Barr and his ilk have long played. When no longer useful, their protection evaporates and they turn on each other.

RockRaven

(17,166 posts)
6. Bill Barr *personally* questioned Epstein's cellmate after his death.
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 11:36 PM
Nov 2024

Completely normal, standard operating procedure at the DOJ... The AG personally interviews every prison/jail suicide's cellmate, right?



That being said, Epstein more likely than not killed himself.


But the irregularities, including Barr's father's connection to Epstein before Epstein ever knew TCF, are all very weird and gross and make for fantastic conspiracizing.

Arthur_Frain

(2,229 posts)
13. Bill Barr was the most "hands on" AG of my lifetime.
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 11:49 PM
Nov 2024

But only for the real skeezy crap. He was definitely tsf’s wartime consigliere. He did his job and hosed us all well.

tulipsandroses

(7,197 posts)
17. I'm glad to see trump in the tabloids. He used it against HRC. Too bad Wolf did not release his tapes sooner
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 12:18 AM
Nov 2024

I am delighted to see trump in the tabloids. He gets a taste of his own medicine.

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