A good portion of men in the US hate women. And many women hate women too.

[boston bean]

Hatred of woman. The most acceptable form of bigotry and hate that exists. For it matters not their race, religion or creed. Just the fact they are woman is cause enough for their hatred and subjugation.

[LizBeth]

1. Yep...

[valleyrogue]

2. This is all about white male entitlement.

They are punishing women for saying "no," if Kamala Harris loses.

This is insanity. I can't believe that this madman would actually get back in the White House. Actually, he won't because if he does pull off a win, he will be promptly dumped in favor of Vance or Mike Johnson.

[Ace Rothstein]

10. He isn't going to get dumped.

People here have been claiming the end of Trump for almost a decade and not one prediction has come true outside of the 2020 election loss.

[valleyrogue]

15. Don't bet the farm on that.

He is gone mentally, and his cabinet will 25th Amendment him.

[JI7]

41. It's not just white men. It's other men also

[valleyrogue]

47. It's mostly white males.

They are the ones who still have the lion's share of unearned privilege in this country.

[JI7]

49. Becsuse they have a higher population

but it's a problem among all races.

[Joinfortmill]

52. Yup. They voted for the rapist. Think about that.

[LiberalLoner]

3. Yes. It amazes me that everyone says, oh, she isn't winning because of racism. And they never mention the

Hatred of women which is a much stronger hate than racism ever was.

I am finished with this world. I have no hope left. I will keep breathing but I hate this country, this world, so much.

[Freddie]

16. Me too. I hate this country

And I’m stuck here. I’m done following politics, why bother. Hate and misogyny will win every time.

[LiberalLoner]

18. Yes, it will. Best to leave the country if you can. If you can't, isolate and try to survive somehow.

[peacebuzzard]

21. This country is more kind to women than outside of the U.S.

The women hatred is intense in many countries. Its so much that I feel so much safer here in the U.S.

[shanti]

25. For now n/t

[róisín_dubh]

38. In many countries.

I'm one hell of a lot safer in Western Europe.
Because I won't fucking die of sepsis if I have a miscarriage, for starters.
And second, my partner is very unlikely to murder me with a gun.

The US is as violent and misogynistic a country as many others.

[LisaM]

23. Yup. We saw that in 2008.

I am still furious with Olbermann and Chris Matthews and the rest of the MSNBC boys' club.

[ck4829]

4. True, a lot of hate to go around.

Men hate women. Women hate women.

Rich people hate poor people. Middle class people hate poor people. Poor people hate poor people.

Conservative Christians hate the teachings of Jesus.

Everyone hates immigrants.

[C Moon]

27. I think that last one is going to put that insane nut in the WH.

[Tree Lady]

6. I agree with first part men angry at women

but women to women I think its more the abortion religion thing and few women I know believe he is better on the economy. That show apprentice really fucked us over, everyone including me in the beginning thought it was true.

[get the red out]

7. I agree with you

I have thought this for a very long time. I don’t think you’re right, I know you are.

[Dem4life1234]

8. I've been saying that

Alot of women hate other women.

[Polybius]

9. Biden wouldn't have done any better

And he's as white as Trump.

[Elessar Zappa]

29. Yes but Harris was a better candidate than Biden.

She had the rallies, the ground game, the endorsements from military and former Republicans.

[Polybius]

31. And Gavin is better than both

And we refused to have a contest. I'm furious.

[Elessar Zappa]

32. Maybe so.

Given that he’s a young-ish white male, you may be right.

[Polybius]

35. True

[Polybius]

37. And far more charismatic

He's nearly at Obama levels.

[dpibel]

33. Which proves exactly what?

[Polybius]

36. That it's not because of race or gender

Trump would have won anyway.

[dpibel]

40. That's arrant nonsense

You have absolutely no way to know that, nor a rational basis for it.

The fact is, Trump won against a Black woman.

You can hypothesize all you want, but you cannot say with certitude that a white man (not named Joe Biden) would categorically have lost.

[Polybius]

43. You're right, I can't predict an alternate universe

But I have no doubt that Biden would have done worse.

[dpibel]

46. Hilarious

You do know that all your posts on this thread are visible, right?

As a first matter, this OP, which you are hand-waving, and thus this thread, is not about whether Joe Biden would have done better.

So this response is an utter non sequitur.

As a second matter, you are, in this very thread, claiming that misogyny and racism had nothing to do with the outcome BUT Gavin Newsome would have won for sure.

So you can't predict an alternate universe...except the one where Gavin wins in a walk.

And you don't think it has anything to do with race or gender...but a white guy would have won it.

I'm generally impressed with your work. But on this one, I think you're not doing quite as well as you think you are.

[Polybius]

51. I didn't say I was sure

But I think Biden would have done worse. Maybe he would have done better.

[dpibel]

53. Same diversion twice?

Why are you talking about Biden?

This thread is not about whether Biden would have done better. You think a different white man would have done better.

Your position supports the OP your are criticizing.

But I will give you this: You've caused me to write more words than you did. And that's a win in your line of work, right?

[Polybius]

54. Not a win at all

After tonight, we all lose.

[dpibel]

55. Non sequitur, again.

You really aren't quite as good at this as you seem to believe you are.

[Polybius]

57. Never said I was

But my concerns turned out to be a lot more realistic than most here.

[Freddie]

11. Gonna be many decades before a woman runs for president again

Why bother. Misogyny is alive, well and thriving.

[Maru Kitteh]

60. I'm just hoping for a future where my grandaughter can vote at this point.

If I flee to another country, I'm hoping to create a foothold for her.

[madaboutharry]

12. I think there is racism, but I also think you're right.

It is about hating women. It runs deeper than I imagined.

That is hard to accept.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

44. Yes - a black man man was elected and re- elected.

But we cannot elect a woman. We had two very competent and intelligent women running against the most pitiful and incompetent candidate we’ve ever had and they couldn’t beat them. And people are voting for a party that is against doing anything for the non-wealthy. Apparently hate is more important for them. Also fear is behind a lot of it.

[Mike 03]

56. This is such an important point. I was aware of the racism

but I thought the misogyny was still consigned to the far fringe, the online bro culture, the incels and the male oriented podcasts. But it's way worse than that. A lot of the threats received by politicians and election officials contained so many extraneous sexual threats, and the ones I've seen recently were guys sixty and older who were arrested. It probably cuts across all age groups, but it blew my mind to see people in that age category making these kinds of threats. I'm too shaken to really analyze this now, but it must be faced.

There's something broken on the deepest possible level about a lot of Americans--something that transcends politics and is a product of something in our culture--change that is too rapid, or an unwillingness to evolve. To vote for Trumpism now reflects a kind of selfishness that is almost solipsistic and even nihilistic. I don't know...

[madaboutharry]

13. I think there is racism, but I also think you're right.

It is about hating women. It runs deeper than I imagined.

That is hard to accept.

[C Moon]

28. Then Kamala had two strikes against her in this damned nation.

And somehow we didn't see it. I guess because the filth know it's immoral, and won't admit it.

[Scrivener7]

14. This is the reason for what we are seeing. And more than anything, they hate women with power.

[valleyrogue]

17. You are going to see a movement to completely roll back women's rights including

the right to vote. These white dudes are mad they aren't getting laid anymore to the extent to which they are entitled, and it is all the fault of women because they can now live independently of them.

It isn't going to change the trajectory any. The economy can't make it without women's participation. Women will just flat-out refuse to marry and have kids before they have anything to do with these men.

[LiberalLoner]

19. I think America will become the worst dystopia ever seen, and most of the

Punishment will be meted out to us women, POC, LGBTQ.

It will be worse than any of us could ever imagine.

[valleyrogue]

20. These dominionists like Miller and that Project 2025 guy

as well as Mike Johnson are of the mindset that certain groups and certain behaviors are deserving of the death penalty.

I don't think they are talking out of their backsides, either.

[Demobrat]

22. I did. I was ahead of my time.

Nothing is worth being dependent on one of those creeps.
Forty years in corporate jobs was a piece of cake compared to that. I got to leave at night.

[oldmanlynn]

24. Not trying to blame anyone but

Enough people wanted trump

[bluboid]

26. yup.

[Silent Type]

30. Remember the older GOPers who wore shirts that said "he can grab my ____ anytime." Still haven't

digested that.

[arthritisR_US]

34. Nailed it ! Thanks

[Klarkashton]

39. Black women.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

45. Hillary also lost against him,

[RockCreek]

42. One of the most misogynistic "developed"

Countries in the world.

[dlk]

48. Misogyny runs deep in America

Where in our culture is respect for women and girls taught?

[Violet_Crumble]

50. Agree 110%

I'm distanced geographically from this and know we have our own problems with sexism here, but tonight I'm so worried for my sister's in the US (excluding any female who voted for the rapist who's spewed hatred towards women). I think there will be a national abortion ban and women worldwide will look on in horror the same way they did when it came to women in Ireland a few years ago.

[Warpy]

58. Backed up and reinforced by fundagelical Christianity

that's really big on Leviticus and ignores Jesus pretty completely.

I held out no hope at all for the south and I was right. People still sort each other out by which wingnut church they go to. I was right to get out of Dodge in the late 60s and I was right to stay gone. It is soul crushing down there for those of us who don't fit.

[Maru Kitteh]

59. kicking this.

[milestogo]

61. I have a white male coworker who is a Dem from a red state

He hates Trump. He didn't like Harris (the laugh thing) but I think he voted for her.

So this morning I messaged him a sad face. And his reply was - time to move on, I'm not going to let it get me down.

And I thought, Of course not- nobody is trampling on your rights. This is a clown show for you, but it doesn't affect you personally. So you don't care all that much.

That's not hate, but its indifference. And there are an awful lot of white men who are totally indifferent to the suffering of women in this country.

[LiberalLoner]

62. You are right. A lot of people are indifferent to the suffering of others in general. I don't understand why.