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DemocratSinceBirth

(100,736 posts)
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 03:15 PM Nov 2024

Kamala Harris didnt lose because she's a woman or because she's Black

She lost because the incumbent president had a 41% approval rating, undeserved in my opinion, but low nonetheless. She will end up with 49% of the vote when all the West Coast votes come in. She outran his approval ratings by 8 points, that's a lot... That's an empirical observation and not a normative one.

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Kamala Harris didnt lose because she's a woman or because she's Black (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2024 OP
The MFers were able to tie her to what they were already blaming on Biden. Silent Type Nov 2024 #1
Not entirely, but I think it was likely one factor of many. TwilightZone Nov 2024 #2
I think she lost because of cyber-security stillcool Nov 2024 #3
This is a topic near and dear to my heart KnoxVol Nov 2024 #16
I disagree snowybirdie Nov 2024 #4
The Trump signs all around where I live... CousinIT Nov 2024 #27
I dont think it was because she is a woman or black oldmanlynn Nov 2024 #29
no, they ran a good campaign. Stop blaming democrats for these Republican travelingthrulife Nov 2024 #33
She lost because this is a racist, misogynist country.... brush Nov 2024 #5
Thank-you. Proud boys are happy today. JohnSJ Nov 2024 #14
And completely empowered. to do as they will. travelingthrulife Nov 2024 #35
Yes, that is a big part of it. But if Trump was non white or a woman JI7 Nov 2024 #6
Valid point on holding her responsible for all the voters didn't like about the Biden admin BUT hlthe2b Nov 2024 #7
I disagree KentuckyWoman Nov 2024 #8
I think it was because of the WORLD WIDE inflation. Emile Nov 2024 #9
I think that is the elephant in the room that no one wanted to admit genxlib Nov 2024 #31
That is the exit data that convinces me President Biden Mike 03 Nov 2024 #10
Sorry, being a woman was a contributory factor. Much of the MSM was a contributing factor with their both siderisms JohnSJ Nov 2024 #11
I think it was part of it. She lost because there are more ignorant or hateful... LAS14 Nov 2024 #12
I disagree. This country is vile with sexism and racism. A thick slime adherent to every moist, dark Maru Kitteh Nov 2024 #13
Slink into RW talk radio for a few minutes JCMach1 Nov 2024 #23
And it permeates La Coliniere Nov 2024 #25
I disagree. If you will look you'll see that Harris under performed our Senate candidates across the board. Why? Native Nov 2024 #15
Yeah. Unfortunately we tried two woman and 1 african American woman oldmanlynn Nov 2024 #30
Idk. xmas74 Nov 2024 #17
Being a Black woman played a role Quiet Em Nov 2024 #18
What would you have had her do? Play the "woman" card? ProudMNDemocrat Nov 2024 #20
No, I think her strategy to not focus on her gender was smart. Quiet Em Nov 2024 #21
I respectfully disagree with you. róisín_dubh Nov 2024 #19
⬆️ this here ⬆️ Clouds Passing Nov 2024 #28
1000+ PortTack Nov 2024 #32
Whatever you need to tell yourself to get through the day. notroot Nov 2024 #22
41% is near par this century uponit7771 Nov 2024 #24
Kevin Roberts got his wet dream come true Clouds Passing Nov 2024 #26
Undeserved rating because of the misinformation campaign by the plutocracy that rules this country.. GoodRaisin Nov 2024 #34

TwilightZone

(28,835 posts)
2. Not entirely, but I think it was likely one factor of many.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 03:21 PM
Nov 2024

Biden's inexplicable approval ratings and the voters' belief that Trump was better on the economy were things that were always going to be tough to counter.

The message started to get through at the very end on the economy, but I think it was too late. I'm not sure how we get through to voters on issues like that.

stillcool

(33,439 posts)
3. I think she lost because of cyber-security
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 03:21 PM
Nov 2024

what the hell...in my mind it beats latino males, and white males and females. Weve all read how Russia's cyber crimes are so far advanced in comparison to the United States.

KnoxVol

(48 posts)
16. This is a topic near and dear to my heart
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 03:38 PM
Nov 2024

I live it every day. And if anything, the threat we have from in the cyberspace from not just Russia, but others, is extremely understated and completely misunderstood.

I've said it for years - there's already a hot war going on every single day - and people don't even realize it.

snowybirdie

(5,935 posts)
4. I disagree
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 03:23 PM
Nov 2024

By many measures, Biden has done a great job. Best economy in decades, higher salaries and cheaper drugs. Record employment. Democrats thought people would appreciate this. But a Massive lying candidate and compliant media lied to the American people. Immoral people changed the narrative

CousinIT

(11,133 posts)
27. The Trump signs all around where I live...
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 04:29 PM
Nov 2024

..."Trump, lower taxes!
" Harris, higher taxes!"

"Trump, secure border!'
"Harris, open border!"

ALL lies but he ran on 100% lies.

oldmanlynn

(622 posts)
29. I dont think it was because she is a woman or black
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 04:36 PM
Nov 2024

However those things didnt help. I thing the harris campaign ran a incomplete campaign. They had to know they were losing in all the battle ground states.

brush

(59,275 posts)
5. She lost because this is a racist, misogynist country....
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 03:23 PM
Nov 2024

with a majority that sees no problem with electing a white supremacist, convicted felon, wannabe dictator.

We are in sorry shape. And MSM and cable media are complicit as they normalized it didn't play it's long-standing role of comforting the afflicted and afflicting the comfortable to provide aid or support to those in need, while prompting those in positions of power or luxury to act in more ethical ways.

JI7

(91,561 posts)
6. Yes, that is a big part of it. But if Trump was non white or a woman
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 03:26 PM
Nov 2024

he would not have won.

If instead of Harris it was a younger Biden that ran a similar race as she did then I think we may have still been able to win .

The Biden numbers which were due to inflation was what hurt the party as a whole.

No female or non white non straight non xtian man would get there support Trump did with that same type of behavior and background.

hlthe2b

(108,590 posts)
7. Valid point on holding her responsible for all the voters didn't like about the Biden admin BUT
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 03:27 PM
Nov 2024

one heck of a lot of Trump voters were MOTIVATED to vote against her and for Trump--at least to some degree-- because of race and gender. Not all, certainly, but a lot. Whether that applies equally to independents, I would guess probably not. But they certainly found some justification for voting FOR Trump and while anecdotal, the interviews with first-time male college students in Nevada yesterday made it pretty damned clear they were motivated by the Joe Rogan/Bro endorsement of Trump.

The bottom line, NEVER underestimate the power of misogyny in this culture. And race, undoubtedly, likewise.

KentuckyWoman

(6,951 posts)
8. I disagree
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 03:27 PM
Nov 2024

I think she lost because too many Americans are hell bent on retribution for Obama and for allowing gays to marry. All the rest is just extra.

Edit to add - we all all pick at it. The talking heads will pick at it. Chances are all of us are wrong. At the end of the day, people determined to hate are going to hate.

genxlib

(5,839 posts)
31. I think that is the elephant in the room that no one wanted to admit
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 04:52 PM
Nov 2024

Curbing inflation did nothing to lower the prices that had already risen.

Every trip to the grocery store left people angry at us. Unfair or not, that is the way it is.

After all was said and done, it goes back to the old adage..."its the economy stupid"

JohnSJ

(98,139 posts)
11. Sorry, being a woman was a contributory factor. Much of the MSM was a contributing factor with their both siderisms
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 03:31 PM
Nov 2024

couched in their reporting of the news with embedded commentary.

The double standard reporting is the most glaring example.

Where are the details? VP Harris has no details? She needs to do more interviews? She needs to do this, or do that, blah, blah, blah

While giving a free pass to the demented sociopath who only cares for himself.

We live in a very sick country, whose populace cannot even distinguish between right and wrong.

I am so fortunate to live in California and hope we in California can escape the draconian measures that surely will be exerted on our fellow-Americans in red states, though I suspect the federal government under trump will try and interfere with our state's rights, and those of any blue state that didn't vote for that jackass.

After trump does his damage, I fully expect he won't finish his term because he is failing pretty badly, and thiel's' vance will take over the reigns of power.




LAS14

(15,082 posts)
12. I think it was part of it. She lost because there are more ignorant or hateful...
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 03:31 PM
Nov 2024

.... people in the country than good and commonsensical ones.

Maru Kitteh

(29,801 posts)
13. I disagree. This country is vile with sexism and racism. A thick slime adherent to every moist, dark
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 03:31 PM
Nov 2024

crevice, now in a toxic bloom. That's where we live.


JCMach1

(28,472 posts)
23. Slink into RW talk radio for a few minutes
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 04:22 PM
Nov 2024

And you will find how thick the lies, slime, hatred, racism.and misogyny are ...

La Coliniere

(1,340 posts)
25. And it permeates
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 04:24 PM
Nov 2024

all races, communities, genders, socioeconomic groups and ages. So yes, the stench is everywhere from the toxic bloom.

Native

(6,994 posts)
15. I disagree. If you will look you'll see that Harris under performed our Senate candidates across the board. Why?
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 03:36 PM
Nov 2024

As Scarborough said this morning, it is because she wasn't a 6'4" male from Nebraska.

oldmanlynn

(622 posts)
30. Yeah. Unfortunately we tried two woman and 1 african American woman
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 04:39 PM
Nov 2024

None of these worked for us. Its time to try something different. Maybe Gavin next time.

xmas74

(29,852 posts)
17. Idk.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 03:41 PM
Nov 2024

I heard plenty of men and women here in Missouri say that a woman can never be president since God deemed that men are leaders.

ProudMNDemocrat

(19,510 posts)
20. What would you have had her do? Play the "woman" card?
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 04:12 PM
Nov 2024

The fact that Kamala did not do that was a smart strategy. She focused on her policy points, made it personal her story of being raised by a single mother to connect with others, and stated her positions.

The bar was set high for her and way low for tRump. But she achieved much in her quest for the White House. The American people saw that she was a woman, they just did not buy what she was selling and chose the snake oil con man instead.

Quiet Em

(1,704 posts)
21. No, I think her strategy to not focus on her gender was smart.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 04:17 PM
Nov 2024

But Trump and Republicans did focus on her gender. Trump didn't hold back on that at all.

róisín_dubh

(11,965 posts)
19. I respectfully disagree with you.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 03:52 PM
Nov 2024

The United States profoundly hates women. And it really hates black women
We have not ratified the CEDAW treaty (UN Convention on the Elimination of All forms of Discrimination of Against Women). You know who else hasn't ratified that treaty? The paragons of women's rights like Somalia and Sudan.
Women are paid less than men across the board.
Family leave is not guaranteed.
Childcare is not accessible.
Women's healthcare is a fucking joke. We are routinely denigrated. We die in emergency rooms bleeding out of our vaginas because the government controls what doctors can do with our reproductive organs.
Need I go on?

GoodRaisin

(10,014 posts)
34. Undeserved rating because of the misinformation campaign by the plutocracy that rules this country..
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 05:58 PM
Nov 2024
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