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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust so you know: Republicans ALWAYS Cheat

1968 - Nixon-Agnew dealt with North Vietnam to sabotage Paris peace talks
1980 - Reagan-Bush dealt with Ayatollah hostage takers
1988 - Bush pardons Weinberger and other Iran-Contra traitors to avoid trial and exposing his own role
2000 - Bush-Cheney count on GOP-leaning Supreme Court to win Florida and, thus, US election
2016 - Trump calls on Russia for help to defeat Hillary Clinton
The record is clear: In Presidential election after Presidential election, Republicans get away with treason.
And after they win, We the People are told to, Move on. And the GOP gets away with it, again.

One last PSA: Remember Project 2025 is set to dismantle democracy and kick-off a building boom, among other things.

Ysabel
(2,080 posts)- and they are fucking Nazis too...
Kid Berwyn
(19,616 posts)Pat Oliphant came out of retirement in 2017 to warn us.
Soon, that insane and dirty prick will be one if his chief advisors.
Ysabel
(2,080 posts)nt
BlueTsunami2018
(4,240 posts)It doesnt help to play by the so-called rules when your opponent will do anything to win.
If you aint cheatin, you aint tryin - Sonny Dykes
Kid Berwyn
(19,616 posts)I mean, the unredacted portions.
https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/dl
SamKnause
(14,121 posts)Why would they stop ???
Now we are suppose to turn the other cheek and act as if nothing has happened.
We are suppose to act like this is normal.
We are suppose to act like this is fair.
Kid Berwyn
(19,616 posts)We have to live by the rules.
They never are held to account for breaking the law.
And when they do, their Chief Justice ignores the word Insurrection and invents new ones that are nowhere in the Constitution to grant the traitor a chance to Pardon Himself.
Nice.
Botany
(73,642 posts)* or was the legacy of cheating.
Kid Berwyn
(19,616 posts)They come to me. Jane Roberts, wife of Chief Justice John Roberts.
They come to me: Jane Roberts legal recruiting work involved officials whose agencies had cases before the Supreme Court
In newly revealed testimony, the wife of Chief Justice John Roberts said she worked for U.S. attorneys, cabinet officials, former senators and more.
By HAILEY FUCHS and JOSH GERSTEIN
Politico, 01/31/2023
Jane Roberts, the wife of Chief Justice John Roberts, acknowledges having represented a wide variety of public officials including senior Justice Department officials and Cabinet members as they transitioned to jobs in the private sector, according to testimony in an arbitration hearing to resolve a lawsuit filed by an ex-colleague against her former legal recruiting business.
A partial transcript of that testimony was included in a complaint submitted to the House, Senate and Justice Department filed in December on behalf of the former colleague.
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Jane Roberts placements included at least one firm with a prominent Supreme Court practice, according to the complaint, which also includes sworn testimony from Roberts herself, in which she notes the powerful officials whose agencies have had frequent cases before her husband for whom she has worked.
A significant portion of my practice on the partner side is with senior government lawyers, ranging from U.S. attorneys, cabinet officials, former senators, chairmen of federal commissions, general counsel of federal commissions, and then senior political appointees within the ranks of various agencies, and I -- they come to me looking to transition to the private sector, Roberts said, according to a transcript of a 2015 arbitration hearing related to her former colleagues termination.
In her testimony, Roberts also noted the benefit of working with senior government officials: Successful people have successful friends.
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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/31/jane-roberts-legal-recruiting-work-agencies-cases-supreme-court-00080515
To borrow a metaphor from Smedley Butler: Its a racket.
Marthe48
(20,299 posts)I just hope the Dems figure out how to do it, too. Out-do.
Kid Berwyn
(19,616 posts)Certain quarters objected when President Jimmy Carter instituted "Human Rights" over economic and business interests as the main objective of U.S. foreign policy. The President understood reliance on Saudi Arabia and oil was a danger to national security. So, he began to move the nation toward "Energy Independence" and renewable, clean sources over dependence on Big Oil for energy. The people who own the oil companies and the governments of oil-rich nations objected.
Three unidentified US hostages speak to the press while their Iranian captors (L and R) watch closely, at the besieged US embassy in Tehran, November 1979. [IRNA-FILES/AFP via Getty Images] Source: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231104-on-this-day-the-iran-hostage-crisis/
How a Deep State Plot Sank Jimmy Carter
PETER DALE SCOTT
WhoWhatWhy.Org, 11/02/14
The Safari Club was an alliance between national intelligence agencies that wished to compensate for the CIAs retrenchment in the wake of President Carters election and Senator Churchs post-Watergate reforms. As former Saudi intelligence chief Prince Turki bin Faisal once told Georgetown University alumni,
In 1976, after the Watergate matters took place here, your intelligence community was literally tied up by Congress. It could not do anything. It could not send spies, it could not write reports, and it could not pay money. In order to compensate for that, a group of countries got together in the hope of fighting Communism and established what was called the Safari Club. The Safari Club included France, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, and Iran. (1)
After Carter was elected, the Safari Club allied itself with Richard Helms and Theodore Shackley against the more restrained intelligence policies of Jimmy Carter, according to Joseph Trento. In Trentos account, the dismissal by William Colby in 1974 of CIA counterintelligence chief James Angleton,
combined with Watergate, is what prompted the Safari Club to start working with [former DCI Richard] Helms [then U.S. Ambassador to Iran] and his most trusted operatives outside of Congressional and even Agency purview. James Angleton said before his death that Shackley and Helms began working with outsiders like Adham and Saudi Arabia. The traditional CIA answering to the president was an empty vessel having little more than technical capability.(2)
Trento adds that The Safari Club needed a network of banks to finance its intelligence operations. With the official blessing of George Bush as the head of the CIA, Adham transformed . . . the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), into a worldwide money-laundering machine.(3) Trento claims also that the Safari Club then was able to work with some of the controversial CIA operators who had been forced out of the CIA by Turner, and that this was coordinated by Theodore Shackley:
Shackley, who still had ambitions to become DCI, believed that without his many sources and operatives like [Edwin] Wilson, the Safari Cluboperating with [former DCI Richard] Helms in charge in Tehranwould be ineffective. . . . Unless Shackley took direct action to complete the privatization of intelligence operations soon, the Safari Club would not have a conduit to [CIA] resources. The solution: create a totally private intelligence network using CIA assets until President Carter could be replaced. (4)
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https://whowhatwhy.org/politics/government-integrity/the-deep-state-plots-the-1980-defeat-of-jimmy-carter/
In addition to turning down the thermostat and wearing a sweater to stay warm, President Carter installed solar panels on the roof of the White House and ordered the federal highway speed limit of 55, which saved about 150,000 barrels of oil per day and about 4,000 lives per year. President Reagan took the solar panels down and Big Oil really hasn't worried much about getting replaced ever since.
Bottom Line: Big Oil, the Saudi Roils and the global Petrogarchs HATE democracy. They can't live as large as they want if they have to share the loot with other people, including the people who live on top of the "black gold." And they want to get every last penny from every last drop this extracted mineral can yield, even if it kills us all in the process.
Marthe48
(20,299 posts)is so, sort of like the devil buying your soul.
Kid Berwyn
(19,616 posts)I wanted to emphasize how elections mean money and that, in the USA for a long time, one side seems to always get its way.
Capitalism has become a devouring monster.
CommonHumanity
(295 posts)MaeScott
(914 posts)Depress the vote enough for the right ward shift to matter enough to get the EC
Election stolen. In days of wireless everything, everything can be accessed. And data analyzed and adjustments made.
Republicans didnt veto all those election reforms bills for nothing.
Jk23
(455 posts)We lost the working class. Esp working class minorities. We need to realise that before we can do better. This nonsense about stolen elections is self destructive crap.
Kid Berwyn
(19,616 posts)A Personal Note
by Greg PalastNovember 6, 2024
Excerpt...
But the horror we face is countered by this one hard question the US media will ignore, but I cant: Did Donald Trump actually win this election? If so, was it really a landslide?
Heres something you wont read elsewhere: In the last Presidential, according to the official count of the federal Elections Assistance Commission, 2.7 million provisional ballots were rejected.
Whose ballots? If youre Black, Hispanic or Asian-American, the chance you were shunted to one of these provisional ballots is 300% higher than if youre white.
How many Black ballots were thrown in the electoral dumpster?
As a former professor of statistics, I know theres still a lot of sleuthing in the numbers I have to do, but I can tell you this: The number of rejected provisional ballots, the number of voters wrongly purged from the rolls, the number of ballots spoiled and not counted, has unquestionably skyrocketed.
The result: This is the most Jim Crow, racially bent election Ive covered in 25 years of reporting.
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https://www.gregpalast.com/heres-what-we-do-now/
Putin I can understand wanting to hurt the USA. But Trump and his enablers are traitors. And electrons are amazing things. Who can manipulate them better than big budget governments, perhaps only Musk and Thiel know.
Iggo
(48,745 posts)So we know the fix.
Kid Berwyn
(19,616 posts)Really believed everyone was activated.
We had people lining up here in metro Detroit from the get-go.
And yet, fewer people showed up to vote for Harris than for Biden.
That must be true, but it just doesn't add up with what my own eyes and ears told me.
questionseverything
(10,642 posts)No human beings eyes read the ballots, no human being counted the ballots. They are fed through a scanner and the scanner spit out a series of numbers (results).
If American citizens cant directly oversee the counting of the votes, theres no reason to believe the results.
I am starting to believe, the evil one talked so much about wanting hand counts so democrats wouldnt request them ( not wanting to sound like the evil one)
live love laugh
(15,070 posts)karin_sj
(1,192 posts)But so true. And the most disheartening and frustrating thing is that they always get away with it. The Democrats, being the decent people they are, just accept it and are even gracious and accommodating to these disgusting, hateful thugs who are stealing and destroying our democracy and our country. I just want to crawl into a hole and hibernate for the next four years, although no doubt, they'll find a way to cheat and win the next time as well.
Kid Berwyn
(19,616 posts)President Biden looks at the long term when he reminded us today:
Biden welcomes to the presidency a man he condemned as a major threat
The president on Thursday promised a smooth transition of power, in Rose Garden remarks that both accepted Trumps victory and challenged what he represents.
By Matt Viser
The Washington Post, November 7, 2024
President Joe Biden walked into the Rose Garden on Thursday morning to concede his partys defeat, expressing confidence in the American electoral system and vowing to oversee a peaceful transfer of power.
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Setbacks are unavoidable. But giving up is unforgivable, Biden said. A defeat does not mean we are defeated.
We lost this battle, he added. Were going to be okay.
Biden is now forced to welcome and legitimize a man he condemned, a man whose ouster as he has said repeatedly over the past five years was the entire reason he ran for president in the first place, and a man he has called a fascist and an existential threat to democracy.
Biden is now pledging to honor and accept Trump in a way that Trump did not and would not do for him. Bidens fealty to democratic traditions requires him to courteously pave the way for a man who often dismisses them but whom the voters chose.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/11/07/biden-speech-nation/
As long as Trump is never held to account, we will need more than the rhetoric of "We'll get 'em next time."
In case no one's noticed, there hasn't really been a next time.
nuxvomica
(13,201 posts)Regardless of what the Supreme Court ruled, we will have a presidency in violation of the 14th Amendment. He participated in an insurrection.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
It doesn't matter that the Supreme Court limited enforcement, the plain truth is that his presidency will be in direct defiance of the clear language of the Constitution. That's not a good thing.
Kid Berwyn
(19,616 posts)Spot-on observation and analysis, nuxvomica. By backing Trump, and thus violating the very words of the Constitution, Roberts and the "Republicans in Congress" are MAGA, active in obstructing Justice and working to advance Trumputin"s conspiracy to overthrow the Constitution.
President Biden would be wise, IMFO, to knock the pants out of them NOW using all his Executive power as POTUS, as well as what Justice Roberts and his billionaire oligarchic friends who wrote Project 2025 plan to roll out on Democracy.
If not now, when? November 2026? The smoke then would have long cleared from what those NAZI MAGAts plan to build.
CaptainTruth
(7,509 posts)Research Ken Blackwell, Michael Connell, SmarTech, how SmarTech supplied IT services for Bush/Rove & Blackwell hired them to provide backup servers for the Ohio election servers.
The Ohio state servers were crashed at 11:14 pm after in-house IT staff were told to go home, vote tallying transferred to SmarTech servers in TN, the count then shifted 3% toward Bush, giving him the state & the White House. When precinct totals were examined there were many where the reported vote total was greater than than the number of ballots cast. The number of reported votes was clearly wrong. Whoever modified the vote totals was sloppy though & added the same number of votes to every precinct they modified. So a bunch of precincts reported X more votes than ballots cast & the number X was the same in every case. Clear fraud.
There was an investigation, 2 IT techs who worked with SmarTech to pull off the theft of the election agreed to testify & describe how they did it but both died under suspicious circumstances before they could testify. With no witnesses the investigation ended.
Incidentally, they tried to do it again in 2008. Ohio's election servers were attacked & crashed at 11:15 pm (1 minute later than 2004) but this time Ohio's IT staff was on the job & prevented the vote counting from being transferred to the SmarTech backup servers. That's why Karl Rove freaked out on TV when Ohio was called for Obama, if you saw it you remember. I was watching live & Rove had a meltdown, saying the call was wrong & it was too early & there were a lot of votes left to count etc. I knew what they had done in 2004 & I sat there thinking "Holy shit, they're trying to do it again." Rove wanted to give SmarTech time to change the numbers, but thankfully this time they weren't able to take over the vote tabulation.
Note that Blackwell was key in putting all the pieces in place to facilitate the theft of the election.
What did Republicans do in this election, all across the country? We may never know, & like 2004 Ohio, our MSM will never report on it.
yellow dahlia
(1,996 posts)for all the details about Ohio. I knew only a small portion of it.
CaptainTruth
(7,509 posts)...researching things like this & I swear I could write books about it.
Kid Berwyn
(19,616 posts)PS: Sorry so late in reply. The Search aids were not returning the article and I had to go through my old Octafish journal to find the info.
DSandra
(1,563 posts)Kid Berwyn
(19,616 posts)"The hardest thing to see is what is in front of your eyes. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Thank you for the heads-up on the video. Vote caging today makes everything legal-like, except its not.
https://www.gregpalast.com/
B.See
(4,948 posts)This election, "fair" according to them.
struggle4progress
(122,042 posts)