Hey, Garland bashers and haters, I got some fresh red meat for you right HERE!

[Fiendish Thingy]

From yours and my favorite reality based site, emptywheel:

https://www.emptywheel.net/2024/11/11/how-garland-whinger-ankush-khardoris-willful-impotence-helps-trump-evade-accountability/

It is precisely the reason I’m so impatient with the Merrick Garland whinger industry, which has flourished again since Trump’s win: because they replicate precisely the impotence that got us here. They always asked that Garland do the work, singlehandedly, of making Trump go away, without considering the political groundwork that was necessary to any successful legal case.
(Snip)
He addresses SCOTUS’ actions in four paragraphs close to the end of his rant. He ignores how their interventions on the Colorado case and Fischer also affected DOJ’s options, and never mentions precisely how long they stalled the case: eight months, with a guarantee of more on the back end. Once you address SCOTUS’ delays and rewriting of the Constitution, it’s not clear a case could ever have been brought before an election, even ignoring how COVID stalled everything for a year, to say nothing of bringing an insurrection charge that would be (per the Colorado decision) the only thing that could disqualify Trump from office. If that’s the case, it wouldn’t matter whether Garland or a gun-toting Adam Schiff, as prosecutor, were in charge. SCOTUS’ intervention, assuming it would have been the same whether it happened in 2021 or 2022 or 2023, was decisive. Trump’s judges made a prosecution of him before the election impossible and further ruled that the only thing that could disqualify him was an insurrection charge.
(Snip)
More importantly, WaPo focused on Steve D’Antuono’s hesitancy to turn to the fake electors, even as DOJ was pushing to do so. Which is to say that D’Antuono — someone no longer at DOJ — was the key cause for delay, not Garland.
(Snip)
Donald Trump is about to do a great deal of outrageous things at the start of his term to reverse the treatment of January 6 as a crime. The response cannot be to say, ho hum, if only that awful Merrick Garland would have yelled louder, and give up, especially not when no amount of yelling was going to change what SCOTUS did.

The response is to stop hoping for a sparkle unicorn to do this work for us. The response is to take some agency for making the case about Donald Trump. And a first step in that process is to stop blaming Garland for things — the public record shows — he didn’t do, and especially to stop blaming Garland for things that more important villains, like John Roberts, did do.

The first step to effective accountability is to identify the actual villain.

Much much more at link, with evidence based links to back everything up.

Happy ranting and scapegoating! Flame away!

[uponit7771]

1. Sooo if Trump had a full beard and a turban and slightly darker skin on J6 and said his words you're claiming the DOJ

... wouldn't not have done anything different?

Thx in advance

[Fiendish Thingy]

2. Straw man

Do better next time.

[uponit7771]

8. Dodge

[Fiendish Thingy]

10. Hard to dodge a dodge

I just stay on topic.

[cachukis]

3. But that is not but an aside.

[Passionate Dem]

57. VP Kamala harris votes dumped in trash by poll worker

Some important factual information about the illegal activity that occurred with our votes in the recent election.
1. VP Kamala Harris Votes Thrown in the trash by Poll Worker:

?feature=shared
2. Putin's message to Trump today warning to blackmail him if he forgets to pay him for the "Win" he
Putin orchestrated for Trump in last week's election:
https://www.alternet.org/putin-trump-blackmail/
Garland, President Biden and VP Harris should investigate these actions immediately and call for an investigation and a RECOUNT of our votes. We can't let them steal this election it's too serious. Let's call President Biden's & VP Harris' offices NOW.

[usonian]

4. Garland spent 4 years prosecuting absolute nobody's, protecting billionaires from bitcoin theft and protecting TSF

from Iran's Revolutionary Guard.

These are well-documented.

[Ilikepurple]

5. It's so strange that defending or attacking Garland is a cottage industry

I don’t understand his fandom or haters. Also, the actual villains were already identified, the problem is with no upper level convictions I’m afraid no one will be afraid to enable Trump’s illegal activities. I grow so fatigued reading what seems like position papers rather than actual analyses of missteps and ways to move forward. Blaming John Roberts probably won’t do it.

[Fiendish Thingy]

6. I'm a fan of reality, not Garland. Nt

[Ilikepurple]

7. I'm glad you have independent access to the truth.

Because that was the best rebuttal I could have imagined. I actually appreciate the initial post without the condescending postscript. I mistakenly thought it might be to engage over the content, but obviously it was to win some sort of unsubstantiated wisdom contes. Do better. I believe with the benefit of hindsight things may have ended differently with different decisions. If so, this might be informative moving forward. But if you know it’s best not to review the DOJ, FBI, and AG’s actions, I’ll think about abiding your know doubt specialized and access and analysis of the facts. You should take the time to list all the real truths you know, so we only have fiendish thingy approved thought and ideas that come from fiendish thingy approved sources. It would either save us a lot of time or give you more threads to get into this “is so” level of argumentation.

[republianmushroom]

37. For several years you were a fan of Merrick the Meek.

You were one of the cheer leaders.

[Fiendish Thingy]

41. As I said before

I’m on team reality, not team Garland.

[Emile]

9. We are called Garland bashers and haters for

losing our patience and wanting a traitor brought to justice.

[Fiendish Thingy]

11. Not at all

The labels apply not because of wanting Justice done (we all share that desire), but from deciding, largely based on the absence of public information or an incomplete understanding of what information is public, that Garland is the scapegoat to blame.

[angrychair]

24. He was literally in charge

It is his fault.

[Fiendish Thingy]

26. Garland was Chief Justice of the Supreme Court?

How did I miss that?

Here, all this time I though he was the AG, subject to the delays and rulings of SCOTUS, but now you’re telling me that Garland, not Roberts, was in charge of the court the entire time?!?

Now it all makes sense…

Without a shared reality based on verifiable truths, we are easy pickings for the fascists.

[angrychair]

31. We are truly doomed

We continue to do no introspection and refuse to change anything. This "it's always someone else's fault" reasoning will not win us any votes.
I don't care anymore. I have no power to change it.
I'm just me and I can't change anything.
Have it your way. Good luck.

[Bengus81]

58. Didn't have any trouble with the SC when he went after Hunter Biden at the Republicans demands....

I know...I know, Hunter Biden is a big ole' fuck up and needed some law brought down on him. I've heard that over and over. But Trump...nah.

[flying_wahini]

54. A justified scapegoat IMO.

He was AG for Pete sake. Nothing happened and he was in charge. He’s not completely blameless.

[Fiendish Thingy]

56. Read the article.

Lots of information to enhance your understanding.

[msfiddlestix]

13. Yeah, we are to blame.

[claudette]

79. True

He should have appointed Jack Smith LONG before he did.

[brush]

80. Even better, he should've personally prosecuted trump as soon as he took office.

There didn't have to be a special prosecutor. If he had, we all saw trump incite a riot and tell the crowd to go to the Capitol or they wouldn't have a country anymore. Then he watched it on TV hoping it would succeed.

That was a violation of his oath to defend the nation and the Constitution. Watching it unfold was also dereliction of duty to do the above.

trump was guilty, we all saw it. If Garland has began the prosecution of that guilty traitor immediately, he would've been tried, convicted and jailed way before the Supreme court got involved, and way before their immunity ruling BS.

End of story. This whole OP is also bs.

[claudette]

82. Yep

👍

[msfiddlestix]

12. Seriously? So we are to blame, are we?

[Emile]

14. Looks like that's who they're blaming.

[Fiendish Thingy]

15. To blame for what?

The article makes the evidence based case that Garland is not the scapegoat for Trump’s re-election. If anyone is to blame for enabling Trump’s re-election, it is Roberts and the MAGA court.

[prodigitalson]

16. The man who gave TFG a two year head start

which was just enough.

[Fiendish Thingy]

18. Which man?

It wasn’t Garland, as the public record detailed in the emptywheel article clearly shows.

[prodigitalson]

43. Uh huh

[Baitball Blogger]

17. You know, I'm beginning to understand why Ken Starr resorted to leaking dicey information on Clinton.

Just say'n.

[BannonsLiver]

19. Poor wittle Mewwick everyone is so mean to him.

Boo hoo.

[Fiendish Thingy]

20. I do not think Garland GAF what anyone says about him.

And the focal point of the topic isn’t about people being “mean”, it’s about people being wrong about Garland.

[BannonsLiver]

21. Seems more like propaganda from his devotees.

Who can’t stop crying about how mean people are to him.

[Fiendish Thingy]

22. If you can't discern verifiable facts from propaganda...

That’s not my problem, and certainly not Garland’s, however, when emotional filtering of information prevents us from existing within a shared reality, that becomes everyone’s problem, as it weakens our ability to resist fascism and fight back.

[prodigitalson]

44. That's fortunate for him.

[Elessar Zappa]

23. You're spitting in the wind here.

But I agree.

[Fiendish Thingy]

28. It won't be the first time

In this age, fighting against propaganda to support a shared reality based on verifiable facts is a messy business.

[republianmushroom]

25. Well, Merrick the Meek, was supposedly the top dog at the DOJ wasn't he ?

Was he the top dog at the DOJ or not, seems Joe entrusted him to be the to dog, but ?

45 months and counting.

[Fiendish Thingy]

29. While you count the months...

Others are focused on the challenging reality that lies ahead.

[republianmushroom]

33. The reality that lies ahead is trump walks. Yes!

[Fiendish Thingy]

34. If that is your primary focus

I’m not sure how the helps with the road ahead.

[republianmushroom]

36. It has been for 45 months and counting and it will continue to be one of my primary focuses.

Trumps crime sure and hell wasn't Merrick the Meek's, focus. Was it ? He was supposedly the top dog at the DOJ, was he not ? FBI dragging their feet, to someone else, Steve D’Antuono’s hesitancy to turn to the fake electors, even as DOJ was pushing to do so. Who in hell was the top dog at the DOJ ?


That top dog was to see, "no one is above the law". (chuckle, chuckle) Seems that he (Merrick the Meek) didn't do what was expected of him, does it ?

The DOJ will let Smith's indictments run out (Statute of limitations), like they did Mueller's.

Fiendish Thingy and bigtree's primary focus is to protect Merrick the Meek.

[Fiendish Thingy]

39. Wow...

I think that is the longest post I’ve ever seen you write.

[republianmushroom]

40. And the is your reply. Got it.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

75. This was alerted n/t

[prodigitalson]

45. Nothing to see here, everybody move along...lol

[themaguffin]

27. I haven't been on the bash Garland train, but I am pissed that an entire YEAR was wasted just to appoint Jack Smith

who moved as quickly as could.

[Fiendish Thingy]

30. Smith was appointed 48 hours after Trump declared his candidacy

Which was the appropriate trigger for appointing a Special Counsel.

Special Counsels aren’t faster, more aggressive or more powerful than regular prosecutors, they merely have an administrative insulation against legal and ethical conflicts.

That’s it.

[themaguffin]

48. Trump running or not, should not have been a factor in this moving forward.

Also, I wasn't suggesting that Smith could move faster or not, just that he did what he could, but it was too late.

[Fiendish Thingy]

50. The investigation was moving forward

And would have continued to move forward even if Smith hadn’t been appointed, and would have faced the same obstacles that Smith did.

[themaguffin]

60. Ok...

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...but you're missing my point.

[Orrex]

32. Kind of wonder why this entire OP isn't considered flame bait

I've had much less inflammatory posts hidden for exactly that reason.

The cheerleaders could have saved a lot of hassle if they'd just agreed outright that Trump would never face any real consequences for his real crimes, but I suppose that it made the cheerleaders feel smart and special to bash and ridicule fellow DUers along the way.

[Fiendish Thingy]

35. Is it ridicule to stand for verifiable reality?

I don’t see it that way.

[Orrex]

38. Petulantly inviting people to "flame away" kind of erases your imagined credibility

And confirms exactly what I've perceived about you over the years.

Thanks for removing any doubt, at least.

[Fiendish Thingy]

42. The truth is the truth

No matter how spicy the sauce.

My invitation was for the inevitable flaming that I have expected and endured for years when discussing Garland.

[Orrex]

46. Thankfully, you aren't the arbiter of truth, and that's the punchline

The cheerleaders allow only their own interpretations, their own expertise, their own conclusions (or those of an anointed few like-minded off-site cheerleaders). Everyone else, and every other opinion, is mocked and belittled at every opportunity. As if the cheerleaders are anything more than anonymous self-appointed experts pushing their favored agenda.

And you haven't so much been "discussing Garland" as "relentlessly ridiculing and condescending to fellow DUers," but I guess you're going to call it whatever gratifies your sense of self-importance.

[Fiendish Thingy]

61. Indeed, I'm not the arbiter of the truth, only the messenger

Only the verifiable truth stands, regardless of opinions or the messenger.

[Orrex]

66. I'm sure that you believe yourself to be the messenger, rather than the catapult.

Biden Regrets Appointing Garland

Perhaps you can contact the president and tell him how foolish he is for expressing the same sentiment that many on DU have voiced for your years.

But keep on cheering. I'm sure that your pals in the echo chamber will be happy to cheer along with you.

[Fiendish Thingy]

68. The article (from the Daily Mail rag) is about Biden's frustration over Hunter's prosecution

It is not about blaming Garland for failing to block Trump from the presidency, which is the topic of this thread.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

76. LOL

Thamks for the chuckle

[stillcool]

47. the trash and bash syndrome

never gets old. Condemnation prior to investigation has never been my thing...and since, I can not possibly investigate the facts that are not in evidence I can not join in. Don't know if someone else could have done things differently and gotten different results. Just don't know. Poor me....such a sap.

[Emile]

49. Calling a large amount of du bashers and haters

after waiting patiently for justice four years is in itself flame based.

[Ysabel]

51. IMNSHO...

Garland was never any good and should never have been chosen to do the job...

He screwed up the Oklahoma bombing case by getting the death penalty for Timothy Mcveigh (sp?) and so we didn't get to hear anything about who else was involved (except that one other guy)...

Nobody ever says anything about that anymore...

[gab13by13]

52. Let's go back to the beginning when Garland took over

At first he agreed with Bill Barr that an official duty of the president is to defame people. He was prepared to defend Trump (the 0ffice) until the courts disagreed about that, and stated it was not an official duty.

Mueller did not indict Trump because he was a sitting president, but he set Garland up to prosecute Trump after he left office.
Individual one - Garland passed Alvin Bragg took it.
Obstruction of justice - Garland passed.
Bill Barr heavily redacted anything negative about Trump in the Mueller report - Garland has failed to release the unredacted report, but he did release the Hur report that claimed that President Biden was old and feeble and forgetful.

I guarantee that when Jack Smith releases his report Garland will not release it unredacted.

Garland got criminal referrals from the J6 committee for Ken Chesebro and Mark Meadows, he shit canned them.
Garland got a criminal referral from Dana Nessel, she waited 1 year for Garland to act and then she prosecuted her fake electors herself.

The SOS from Colorado went on TV and cried for help from DOJ over the threats being made to election officials. She stated that since 2021 DOJ has prosecuted 10 cases.

Garland gave Trump forever to return the classified documents he stole, when the FBI found those boxes of documents at Mar-el- Loco an arrest warrant should have been issued for Trump. Many people died because trump abused those classified documents.

These are for starters.

Maybe Trump will keep Garland on, 20 Magat Senators voted to confirm him.

[Fiendish Thingy]

59. The hatred is strong in this one. nt

[gab13by13]

62. Name me 1 item in my post that is not true

[Fiendish Thingy]

63. None of it is true

You took actual events, then applied your subjective options and perspective to them, ascribing feelings and motivations to Garlabd that are not supported by the evidence.

[gab13by13]

67. Exactly, you can't.

[Fiendish Thingy]

70. I, and others, have, time and time again. Nt

[John Shaft]

53. You're dealing with the serious issues of many people like the proposition

is a toy to be played with.

We who don't have very far to fall see right through this shit as much as ever. Even more so now.

[Think. Again.]

55. I'd like to suggest that...

...perhaps there can be more than just one bad guy at a time?

[gab13by13]

64. Merrick Garland wasted little time

in appointing special counsels for Joe and Hunter Biden.

Garland's greatest prosecution will be prosecuting Hunter Biden for tax fraud that is rarely ever prosecuted, and Hunter paid back all that he owed. On the other hand, TSF claimed a 461 million dollar tax deduction on his Chicago tower, formed a holding company and double dipped on the deduction. Tax experts claim that TSF stole at least 100 million dollars in bogus deductions and Garland never did a peep, he prosecuted Hunter who paid back what he owed.

[Fiendish Thingy]

65. All SC's including Smith, were appointed in an appropriate, timely manner

Hunter was being investigated before Biden was president.

[gab13by13]

71. You bet, thanks for reminding me

Hunter was investigated for 5 years, it was a bogus, made up Russian conspiracy, led by Rudy Giuliani. Garland allowed the bogus investigation to continue until Weiss finally found a gun violation. Weiss also found a tax crime and he had to ask Garland to make him a special prosecutor so that he could prosecute Hunter in California, and Garland obliged.

[Fiendish Thingy]

73. We agree that the prosecution was bogus.

But that’s about it.

[thebigidea]

69. I'm sick of Marcy Wheeler's condescending bullshit

She's wasted my time for almost a decade now.

All that Mueller hullabaloo, with all her preening footnotes about contributing to the investigation on every article.

All that Garland puffery and breathless LexisNexising without a legal degree or any kind of practical experience...

All those predictions, all those harsh putdowns of any diverging opinions... all came to goddamn nothing. She's a waste of time.

I'll file her with her former compatriot Greenwald.

[Fiendish Thingy]

72. And yet, her assertions regarding the scapegoating of Garland remain unrefuted. Nt

[gab13by13]

74. I actually read her latest

She insinuated that the political climate wasn't right for Garland to prosecute Trump. one of her reasons.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

77. I don't believe she is an attorney

And bmaz-who is an actual attorney who would attempt to correct her mistakes-seems to be no longer welcome there.

I regret every post I ever made here using her "reasoning"

[ecstatic]

78. this isn't funny or a game

There's nothing "happy" about being forced to have this discussion.

And there's nothing to debate: A guy who tried to overthrow our country was not prosecuted in a timely fashion. His anti-American movement was allowed to grow and now he's about to lead the country, like none of it ever happened. None of that is debatable. It happened.

Garland didn't keep us safe. He failed.

With trump and his cabinet of clowns at the helm, every American is in danger. If any type of crisis occurs, we're fucked!

[Fiendish Thingy]

84. If you'd read the article, you'd know there was nothing Garland could have done to "keep us safe"

As decided by the current SCOTUS, Nothing other than a conviction for insurrection would have disqualified Trump from running for or holding office.

Neither Garland nor Smith thought there was sufficient evidence to get a conviction on insurrection, and so they didn’t seek an indictment from the grand jury on that charge.

If Trump had been convicted of every single federal charge against him and incarcerated, he still could have run and served as president.

[ecstatic]

91. So he preemptively gave up?

Sorry but that logic doesn't work for me. And it wouldn't work for a person of color who committed the same crimes. They would be locked up right now. 100%.

Also, the scotus (mis)ruling came in 2024, so it doesn't apply to what Garland knew in 2021.

[Fiendish Thingy]

94. The SCOTUS ruling would have come at whatever time Trump was indicted

Before he was tried or convicted.

[lees1975]

81. If Garland had moved at the end of the Congressional investigation

he'd have gotten out ahead of Roberts and the corrupt court before Trump could have filed a brief.

And the legal experts have been saying this for most of the past year that he has frittered the time away. So good luck pushing your theory. Hope you get some hangers on.

[Fiendish Thingy]

85. It's not my theory, it's just reality.

Nothing, other than a conviction for insurrection, could have prevented Trump from holding the office of president.

That’s a fact, as established by the current SCOTUS, rightly or wrongly.

[brush]

83. Give it a rest, already. Garland should've personally prosecuted trump as soon as...

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he took office.

There didn't have to be a special prosecutor. If he had, without waiting tow years to finally appoint a Special Counsel, we all saw trump incite a riot and tell the crowd to go to the Capitol or they wouldn't have a country anymore. Then he watched it on TV hoping it would succeed.

That was a violation of his oath to defend the nation and the Constitution. Watching it unfold was also dereliction of duty to do the above.

trump was/is guilty, we all saw it. If Garland had begun the prosecution of that guilty traitor immediately, he would've been tried, convicted and jailed (as he was of the 34 felonies in NY, at least tried and convicted) way before the Supreme court got involved, and way before their immunity ruling BS.

So again, give it a rest. Federalist Society member Garland is the worst AG of our lifetime, and maybe a republican mole, judging from his slow-moving, ineffectual tenure that failed to convict treason the whole nation witnessed.

End of story. This whole OP is also bs.

[Fiendish Thingy]

86. If you'd read the article, you'd know that's not true.

According to the current SCOTUS, only a conviction for insurrection could have disqualified Trump from holding office. Trump was not charged with insurrection.

Even if he was convicted of all other charges and incarcerated, he could still serve as president.

[brush]

87. Hah. Garland failed spectacularly and you just don't want to admit it.

His first order of business should've been to convict that fucking traitor we all watched on TV.

Garland is the worst ever AG in it's right in our faces.

[Fiendish Thingy]

88. Again- Swift and total conviction of all charges would not have stopped a second Trump term

And you completely ignore the delays caused by SCOTUS.

[brush]

89. Yeah sure. The nation would've voted for a jailed criminal.

You don't know that but keep believing it.

Garland is the worse ever.

[Fiendish Thingy]

90. Did you miss the election of the first convicted felon last week? Nt

[brush]

92. Did you miss he hasn't been jailed. And how silly to think other rethugs...

besides Nikki Haley wouldn't have pursued the rethug nod if Garland had tried, convicted and jailed trump months before the corrupt Supreme Court had their equally corrupt immunity hearing. The rethug party itself would've made a jailed felon didn't get the nomination.

trump would've been in prison and forgotten instead of tapping fellow Russina asset Tulsi Garbbard as National Intel Chief, and fellow pedophile Matt Gaetz for AG.

Garland, worst ever AG.

[Fiendish Thingy]

93. Worse than Bill Barr, Jeff Sessions, or Alberto Gonzales or Francis Biddle?

Biddle botched the prosecution of Nazi collaborators in congress during WWII (see Rachel Maddow’s book Prequel/podcast Ultra).

Garland isn’t even worse than Eric Holder.

Careful with that hyperbole.

[brush]

95. Depends on your perspective. The AG who failed to prosecuter a president who tried to ovethrow....

the govenment, which led to the MFer not being jailed, in fact totally escaped any punishment, and is now the president again and wannabe fasxist...he ranks very high of the list of worse AGs ever.

And that's no hyperbole.

[Stinky The Clown]

96. ..-. --.

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