The Bulwark: RFK Jr. on Chemtrails: 'I Am Persuaded'

[Dennis Donovan]

The Bulwark - RFK Jr. on Chemtrails: ‘I Am Persuaded’

The confirmation fights just keep getting weirder and more serious.

William Kristol and Andrew Egger
Nov 21, 2024



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But here’s another one for you: The man Donald Trump has selected to run our nation’s health agencies has expressed a strong belief in the existence of “chemtrails.”

In February 2023, Kennedy hosted a chemtrails true believer on his RFK Jr. Podcast, also known as the Defender Show. Some of these comments, surfaced in a review of his shows by The Bulwark, have not been previously reported. A spokesperson for Kennedy declined to comment.

The guest, Dane Wigington of the website GeoEngineering Watch, offered a lengthy presentation on the existence of “chemtrails”—massive amounts of chemicals that nefarious actors are supposedly using commercial airlines to spray into the atmosphere. By the end, RFK Jr. seemed convinced: “I am persuaded by what you’re saying.”

“I think one of the other parts of your story that’s important to understand is the military programs to weaponize climate, because of course they’re doing that,” Kennedy went on. “Of course we know they’re doing that, because they do it with everything else. They do it with chemicals, they do it with biology. Anything that they can weaponize, they’re going to.”

The “chemtrails” theory purports to explain the long-lasting water vapor trails that planes sometimes leave in the sky. In the world of conspiracies and nefarious plots, they’re not believed to be condensation from the aircraft exhaust, but, as Wigington told Kennedy, “in almost all cases, they’re sprayed particulate trails.”

Conspiracy theories for what these supposed chemicals might be vary widely: They’re deliberately making us sick, or they’re trying to control our minds, or they’re trying to control the weather. In Wigington’s telling, they’re a secret effort to battle global warming: “putting tens of millions of tons of aluminum nanoparticles into the atmosphere annually as part of solar radiation management, to block some of the sun’s incoming thermal energy with no consideration of the consequences whatsoever,” he told Kennedy.

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Chemtrails!

[Happy Hoosier]

1. Cause fuck physics?

Jeebus....

[BoRaGard]

2. FORBIDDEN SUBJECT - Do not think about this

[Happy Hoosier]

4. Don't think about condensation? Did you forget a sarcasm tag? NT

[BoRaGard]

10. Not sarcasm

Think about this stuff at your own risk

[Happy Hoosier]

12. DUDE, WTF are you talking about? NT

[BoRaGard]

13. Not supposed to talk about this

It's a forbidden subject. Can't be any clearer than that.

[Happy Hoosier]

15. This subject isn't mentioned in the forum rules.

I think Trump's HHS nominee believing batshit crazy conspiracy theories is a legit topic on conversation. That man is dangerous.

[BoRaGard]

17. People have been banned from DU

for mentioning this topic. Hope it won't happen to you.

And I hope the Hoosiers will kick Buckeye butt.

[marble falls]

18. Banned because contrails are bullshit. You believe in contrails??? What does break ToS is interference with ...

... site moderation.

Maybe you'd like to edit in some sarcasm emoticons?

[NickB79]

32. They've been banned for DEFENDING this batshit crazy idea

Not for mentioning it.

But if you believe this quackery, DU probably isn't the right place for you anyway.

[Hekate]

21. The gods are playing tic-tac-toe? What? Your subthread contributions seem a little...

…loopy.

[Disaffected]

3. "Wigington"

Seems appropriate somehow.

[TheBlackAdder]

24. Next, he'll want to get Musk to crack through the flat earth's dome and fly underneath it.

[Irish_Dem]

5. This man is a dangerous, he is paranoid and psychotic.

People who are paranoid and psychotic are dangerous because they will do anything to
protect themselves from the perceived psychotic fantasies.

He also appears to have delusions of grandeur, perhaps he is manic depressive as well.
He can save the world.

I am also not convinced that he is clean and sober.

[bottomofthehill]

6. He may be clean and sober

But he was a heroin addict. Prolonged use, his brain is mush.

[bottomofthehill]

7. This is Trumps best and brightest

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Other long-term heroin side effects may include:3,9

Insomnia.
Infections of the heart lining and valves (in association with non-sterile needle use).
Abscesses (in association with non-sterile needle use).
Chronic and severe constipation.
Increased risk of pneumonia and other lung complications.
Co-occurring mental health issues, such as depression and antisocial personality disorder.
Sexual dysfunction for men.
Irregular menstrual cycles for women.
Addiction, or heroin use disorder.
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[Irish_Dem]

9. Using heroin in childhood during critical periods of brain development.

His family should be arranging guardianship and the takeover of his personal affairs.
Instead he is going to destroy US healthcare.

In terms of being clean and sober, I would want to see lab reports before I conclude
he is not currently using.

[Dem4life1234]

20. His brain is absolutely mush

He is an embarrassment to his family.

[Vinca]

8. Is there a conspiracy theory this guy hasn't bought into?

I imagine Elvis is alive and well and living on Martha's Vineyard or something.

[JanMichael]

11. You think he has CTE? Dropped on his head too many times?

[canetoad]

16. Couple of middle-aged loons in my town

Complain about the chem-trails over Bass Strait. Say it's aliens. No point in reminding them of the air force base a couple of hours to the east.

[Solly Mack]

19. Chemtrails and Poppers and cancer from WiFi

Roadkill on bike trails and getting myself high
Whale heads on rooftops all tied up with strings
These are a few of my craziest things.

[Hekate]

22. My first and probably only chuckle for the day. Thanks Solly.

[Solly Mack]

25. Glad I could give you a chuckle. :)

It helps.

[lapfog_1]

26. I actually started hearing Julie Andrews singing for a moment

thanks for the first chuckle ( other than the mountain lion discovering physics ) I've had all day on DU.

[Solly Mack]

29. You're welcome. :)

[womanofthehills]

31. Actually, Childrens Health Defence won a lawsuit against FCC on WiFi

Landmark Lawsuit Successful Against FCC for Failing to Reevaluate 5G and Wireless Safety

"A joint lawsuit was won against the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) filed on July 30, 2020 by the Environmental Health Trust and the Children’s Health Defense for failure to protect human health and the environment by dismissing scientific evidence of harm from wireless radiation. The Petitioners challenged the FCC’s refusal to reevaluate and update their 24-year-old radiofrequency (RF) safety guidelines for existing and new telecommunications technologies. This comes at a time when new lucrative 5G Spectrum is being auctioned and fast tracked in communities. The lawsuit was won by the Petitioners (EHTrust, CDH and others) as per the DC Court of Appeals Decision on August 13, 2021. The Court stated, “Under this highly deferential standard of review, we find the Commission’s order arbitrary and capricious in its failure to respond to record evidence that exposure to RF radiation at levels below the Commission’s current limits may cause negative health effects unrelated to cancer.“ In the ruling the court returned this decision back to the FCC and ordered the FCC to reexamine its standards for wireless radiation exposure and provide a review of wireless harms that is compliant with the law for non-cancer harms. The decision could be appealed. Oral arguments were heard by the DC Court of Appeals January 25,2021."

https://mdsafetech.org/2020/09/23/landmark-lawsuit-filed-against-fcc-for-failing-to-reevaluate-5g-and-wireless-safety/

There is some debate on EMFs & cancer-


"PRESS RELEASE
N° 208
31 May 2011
IARC CLASSIFIES RADIOFREQUENCY ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS AS
POSSIBLY CARCINOGENIC TO HUMANS
Lyon, France, May 31, 2011 ‐‐ The WHO/International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has
classified radiofrequency electromagnetic fields as possibly carcinogenic to humans (Group 2B),
based on an increased risk for glioma, a malignant type of brain cancer1, associated with
wireless phone use.
Background
Over the last few years, there has been mounting concern about the possibility of adverse
health effects resulting from exposure to radiofrequency electromagnetic fields, such as those
emitted by wireless communication devices. The number of mobile phone subscriptions is
estimated at 5 billion globally.
From May 24–31 2011, a Working Group of 31 scientists from 14 countries has been meeting
at IARC in Lyon, France, to assess the potential carcinogenic hazards from exposure to
radiofrequency electromagnetic fields. These assessments will be published as Volume 102 of
the IARC Monographs, which will be the fifth volume in this series to focus on physical agents,
after Volume 55 (Solar Radiation), Volume 75 and Volume 78 on ionizing radiation (X‐rays,
gamma‐rays, neutrons, radio‐nuclides), and Volume 80 on non‐ionizing radiation (extremely
low‐frequency electromagnetic fields"

that was from 2011 - whose stance on it today is "possible carcinogenic to humans"

https://www.iarc.who.int/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/pr208_E.pdf

[Solly Mack]

33. I'll read the info you posted.

[Meowmee]

36. Lol 😹

[Meowmee]

37. If you complete it

Maybe someone will record that 👏🏻

[Solly Mack]

39. I'll leave that to someone else. :)

[TheBlackAdder]

23. Wind changes direction every several thousand feet. Something at 36K feet might travel several states over.

Contrails from flight altitude might never reach the ground for many hours or days as they are just tiny water to ice particles. While they look like they are overhead, they can be a state or two over. One cannot target an area using that method since wind can completely reverse direction at lower levels and then switch to another direction and so on. You would need a more specific approach, such as state helicopters spraying for mosquitos at 5AM, when the air is calm and they are at low levels. Those low-flying ANG helicopters we all hear... that's the ticket!

So, the ground crew of every airline are in on it, and no one's ever come forward or filmed it?

[lapfog_1]

28. Stop Making Sense

Otherwise you might get a gig on the dying MSNBC as a Talking Head.
I know we want to stop these Pyscho Killers from Burning Down the House ( and the Senate and the White House ).

[Klarkashton]

27. I'm persuaded to believe that he is a know nothing

Piece of shit.

[doc03]

30. Art Bell stuff. nt

[keep_left]

34. Apropos...

[True Dough]

35. No words

Just this image:

[A HERETIC I AM]

38. Yeah, they've been doing it since the early 40's, especially over Europe.

Those clever bastards.