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USAFRetired_Liberal

(4,363 posts)
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 11:24 AM Jan 13

Israel awaits Hamas' response to final Gaza deal draft, officials say

It seems like this could have been resolved months ago, but it was delayed intentionally by Trump and Netanyahu to harm Biden and Harris politically. In doing so, they effectively caused the deaths of thousands of Palestinians and prolonged the suffering of hostages, all to boost Trump’s chances of re-election. Now, Trump gets to re-enter office as a so-called “hero,” with the media showering him with praise. This strategy was apparent even during the campaign—it was reported, denied, and journalists were forced to retract—but the signs were clear: they didn’t want any deal to happen before the election.

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/13/israel-gaza-ceasefire-hostage-final-draft-deal


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Israel awaits Hamas' response to final Gaza deal draft, officials say (Original Post) USAFRetired_Liberal Jan 13 OP
Putin's hands all over this Arazi Jan 13 #1
How so? maxsolomon Jan 13 #2
Iran and Russia have a strategic alliance in the Caucasus Arazi Jan 13 #5
Ok, Russia is involved in exacerbating dissent over the Gaza War in America maxsolomon Jan 13 #7
I don't know if they're directly involved in negotiations Arazi Jan 13 #10
You made the assertion. maxsolomon Jan 13 #13
Shrug. No skin off my back Arazi Jan 13 #14
How did Trump and BN Mountainguy Jan 13 #3
Cmon that wasn't going to happen without negotiations and a deal USAFRetired_Liberal Jan 13 #4
Hamas rejected a lot of deals in that time. Mountainguy Jan 13 #6
So did Israel. maxsolomon Jan 13 #8
Israel is winning Mountainguy Jan 13 #9
Not "capitulate". maxsolomon Jan 13 #12
Poor Hamas. They are such good faith negotiators. nt LexVegas Jan 13 #11
Two peas in a pod then. AloeVera Jan 13 #15

maxsolomon

(35,760 posts)
2. How so?
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 12:42 PM
Jan 13

Where does Russia have influence in this conflict? With Israel? Hamas? UAE? Egypt? What does Russia want? A ceasefire? A delay? Why?

Can you explain?

Arazi

(7,489 posts)
5. Iran and Russia have a strategic alliance in the Caucasus
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 01:13 PM
Jan 13

Alongside Armenia.

Hamas (and Iran’s direct proxy Hezbollah) were armed by Iran for the October 7th attack. Putin had to have been informed and probably helped with arms but I don’t know Russia’s weapons part specifically. I’m guessing on that part.

The pro-Pal protests started within an hour of the attack complete with professionally printed signs. Imo the protests were clearly a coordinated campaign by Putin to fracture Dems, that succeeded in order to strengthen Traitor. I’m not alone in that opinion - other Russia watchers agree.

https://www.wired.com/story/russian-influence-campaign-exploiting-college-campus-protests/

maxsolomon

(35,760 posts)
7. Ok, Russia is involved in exacerbating dissent over the Gaza War in America
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 01:19 PM
Jan 13

but are they directly involved in the ceasefire negotiations? That's what you asserted, I thought.

Arazi

(7,489 posts)
10. I don't know if they're directly involved in negotiations
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 01:31 PM
Jan 13

But it stretches credulity that Hamas isn’t coordinating their efforts with Iran which is allied with Russia.

Both Iran and Russia want Traitor in office. You really think Putin isn’t involved in one of his biggest and most successful ops to install his puppet?

Maybe you’ll have to convince that Putin isn’t involved in delaying the release of hostages. You do know that Netanyahu is far closer to Russia than to Biden. Netanyahu similarly has his own reasons on why he’d want to delay their release for as long as possible. Even better for him if he can give his buddy Traitor a win as he’s installed.

maxsolomon

(35,760 posts)
13. You made the assertion.
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 01:38 PM
Jan 13

I don't have to convince you that Putin isn't involved. You certainly haven't convinced me that he is.

Arazi

(7,489 posts)
14. Shrug. No skin off my back
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 01:51 PM
Jan 13

I know Iran and Russia are aligned with Hamas. I also know Netanyahu is more aligned with Russia than Biden and has/had his own reasons to delay the release of hostages.

Furthermore it’s no secret Russia, Iran and Netanyahu all want Traitor in office instead of Harris.

Imo anyone believing Putin stood back on this situation hasn’t paid enough attention to Putin’s geopolitical games.

maxsolomon

(35,760 posts)
12. Not "capitulate".
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 01:36 PM
Jan 13

Israel would agree to a ceasefire in order to retrieve the hostages and end the now-pointless carnage being inflicted on innocent Gazans.

They've been chasing diminishing returns for months now. Hamas is about as decimated as it's going to get. They could have had these same terms 6 months ago.

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