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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMueller, She Wrote on what to do if posed with "loyalty" questions at your federal job
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ATTN: THREAD: The loyalty interviews have begun in DC. As someone who has direct experience with this, I have a couple of recommendations for all federal workers. Please share this widely, and with any federal government employee you know. 1/
Katie Phang
@katiephang.bsky.social
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READ THIS.
THEN READ IT AGAIN.
Mueller, She Wrote
@muellershewrote.bsky.social
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First, if you are in a union, make sure your dues are current and your membership is up to date. If you aren't in a union but have access, join the union. And if you can swing it, purchase professional liability insurance. 2/
Mueller, She Wrote
@muellershewrote.bsky.social
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IF YOU ARE INTERVIEWED:
1. Ask for representation
2. Once the interview is over, inform your supervisor you need administrative leave for EEO time
3. Set an appointment with an EEO counselor
4. File a formal grievance over the interview 3/
Mueller, She Wrote
@muellershewrote.bsky.social
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MAKE SURE you include violations of your 1st Amendment rights is in the grievance. This is important because if you want to argue 1A in a later federal lawsuit, you have to bring it in your agency grievance first. Ask me how I know, lol. See Blevins. 4/
Mueller, She Wrote
@muellershewrote.bsky.social
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Once your grievance is in place, hostile acts can be considered retaliatory in nature. In most agencies, you can ask to retain your job during the pendency of your litigation. The goal is to retain your job, or to seek damages for 1A violations if you lose it. 5/
Mueller, She Wrote
@muellershewrote.bsky.social
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My agency will allow one appeal to the agency administrative law judge if they deny your petition. After the appeals are exhausted within the agency, they will give you a 90 day permission to file in federal court. Max out that time window, but don't be late filing. 6/
Mueller, She Wrote
@muellershewrote.bsky.social
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You'll probs need a lawyer at this point, if not sooner to help you with the agency administrative law judge. This exercise of your rights takes a long time. And that's the point. I was removed from my position in 2019. I go to trial in 2026. 7/
Mueller, She Wrote
@muellershewrote.bsky.social
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While stretching this out wasn't my goal as I wasn't trying to hang on to my job, it benefits those who want to keep their jobs; to see if they can ride out this lawless administration using Trump's own delay tactics against him. END/
Mueller, She Wrote
@muellershewrote.bsky.social
PS: I am not a lawyer. Im just speaking from personal experience. Thx!
January 13, 2025 at 2:49 PM
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elleng
(138,052 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(52,503 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,382 posts)Free Assembly protects free association, the right to peaceably associate and assemble in groups of your choosing, be they social, religious, hobbies, or political. You have a right to be a member of a political party.
Irish_Dem
(63,730 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(52,503 posts)Cha
(307,125 posts)


TY & MSW.
I'm a retired fed employee, and thank my lucky stars.
LiberalArkie
(17,272 posts)Either to downsize or to replace the employees with friendly people.
I would look to trump to do a Reagan style downsize. Eliminate the employees unions.
msongs
(70,584 posts)elleng
(138,052 posts)I was not in Nat'l Security.
3Hotdogs
(13,835 posts)Constitution.
Jan. 20, instant. Subchapter 3 is amended as follows:
Subparagraph A) Prospective employee may be required to pledge loyalty to and follow the Constitution.
(B) Prospective employee may be required to pledge loyalty to and follow the directives and interests of
Orange Anus.
So there it is, in black, white and orange.
Remember, we may be one Big Mac away from getting rid of him. What follow after? Not to worry. Jesus will guide him.
COL Mustard
(7,184 posts)We dont pledge loyalty to anyone else.
MissB
(16,209 posts)I had to swear to protect and defend the constitution- and I was still an undergrad student.
BumRushDaShow
(147,051 posts)(and technically a boss would also administer the oath verbally)
(that was the last update to it and there are many fillable ones out there that agencies will use)
COL Mustard
(7,184 posts)And thats the idea. Goes back to my query a couple of days ago to other Feds. This is not going to be good.
rubbersole
(9,199 posts)58Sunliner
(5,167 posts)Evolve Dammit
(19,920 posts)MadameButterfly
(2,397 posts)I knew they were going to do this and just assumed the purge would happen. Now it seems like there is a legal process that could stop him or at least delay. As well there should. be. I was aware interviews like this would be illegal at most workplaces, don't know why it wasn't obvious to me that it's illegal in this case.
Not that I trust the law to protect us given his penchant for breaking them (his immunity doesn't help). But he should be forced to face this by the thousands and show the length of his lawlessness before he gets his Stepford Staff.
I hope workers are courageous enough to do this. There will likely be threats.
Farmer-Rick
(11,640 posts)Well, begin on the 20th. Between mass deportations and purging government workers, these neoNazis are going to be very busy.
They will break the law without a 2nd thought. And when their victims eventually win their day in court, our tax dollars will go to paying the million dollar fines, reparations and penalties. While Musk rat and pedo Trump walk off into the sunset.
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niyad
(122,079 posts)malthaussen
(17,920 posts)niyad
(122,079 posts)Passages
(1,822 posts)Alice B.
(368 posts)Im not a federal worker but I was wondering if these were kosher/legal questions to ask.