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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJohn Bolton Says He Knows 'Exactly' What Trump Will Do Next, And It's Frightening
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John Bolton, former national security advisor to President Donald Trump during his first term in office, said its already clear where negotiations with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Ukraine are headed.
I think we know exactly whats gonna happen: President Trump has effectively surrendered to Putin before the negotiations have even begun, Bolton told CNNs Kaitlan Collins.
Trump on Wednesday said he spoke with his Russian counterpart, and the two agreed to start negotiations on ending the war, which began three years ago when Russia invaded its neighbor. Later in the day, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said Russia should be able to keep some of the Ukrainian territory it has seized and that Ukraine should not become part of NATO.
Bolton called those concessions a complete reversal of the U.S. position and a major victory for Putin.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/john-bolton-trump-putin-ukraine_n_67ad6c52e4b0498c1a8f4b68

Autumn
(47,723 posts)MagickMuffin
(17,576 posts)Autumn
(47,723 posts)BoRaGard
(5,113 posts)what a whiney whimpy anti-democracy draft-dodging felonious billionaire blowhard he is.
Wicked Blue
(7,889 posts)TSF intends to hand Ukraine to Putin. Which is what Putin wants.
Lonestarblue
(12,559 posts)Does idiotic Trump just plan to give those to Putin because most of them are in areas occupied by Russia. It would seem to be far better for the US to have access to those than Russia.
AdamGG
(1,680 posts)pursue Putin's interests above those of the USA. I hope I live to see evidence of how Putin had this hold over him and that we will live in a country where it can be freely reported.
Butterflylady
(4,376 posts)However, Ukraine now has the backing of countries in Europe. What I'm concerned about is F47 getting us into war to help Russia in one way or another. We are like sitting ducks with no one to help us because of an idiot sitting in the White House.
Wicked Blue
(7,889 posts)What scares me is that TSF may pull the US out of NATO, leaving the remaining members to face having to fight to protect Ukraine and themselves. And either the US will sit on the sidelines while Russia has its way. Or the US might side with Russia and help smash Europe.
Emile
(34,174 posts)AverageOldGuy
(2,542 posts)-- Death or imprisonment for thousands upon thousands of Ukrainians
-- Beginning of WW III in Europe as Putin tries to restore the old Soviet Union's empire
-- The end of America's influence anywhere as our soon-to-be-former friends and allies turn away from us
History -- if any is written -- will not be kind to Trump and Musk nor to the Republican Party -- not one
Republican. And the Democrats who sat around wringing their hands won't fare so well either.
Wicked Blue
(7,889 posts)I have relatives in Estonia
OMGWTF
(4,681 posts)She has several contingency plans if the worst happens, and they are invaded by Putin.
Wicked Blue
(7,889 posts)But they and other small nations are in huge trouble if TSF pulls the US out of NATO, as he probably will.
I hope your niece stays safe.
My niece from Seattle has lived there for five years and loves it. She has several contingency plans if the worst happens, and they are invaded by Putin.
maxsolomon
(36,391 posts)That's WW3.
Worry about Moldova and Georgia.
DBoon
(23,668 posts)Trump has brought back the Iron Curtain
Butterflylady
(4,376 posts)cilla4progress
(26,308 posts)A lot of sturm and drang but no meaningful action..yet.
Someone has to rally us.
Johonny
(23,425 posts)When you give him a little before the start, he will take those for granted and ask for more and more and more. No one thinks Trump will out maneuver Putin. Putin will dictate terms and Trump will stand by his side nodding his head fast and furiously.
Wicked Blue
(7,889 posts)sakabatou
(44,625 posts)Then again, he's probably right about Dump.
Farmer-Rick
(11,734 posts)The presidential election, and the corporate media and Congress went along with it, was the moment we all knew the surrender monkey was going to give Ukraine to the dictator Putin.
People who have a history of standing up to that dictator need to get out of Ukraine before Putin puts them in a remote artic penal colony or just murders them. Putin is not constrained by laws or morals and if you think he's going to fair, you are crazy.
Cheezoholic
(2,877 posts)Detailed in the proposal, as I understood it, was WE get Ukraines natural resources in exchange for them giving up the territory Russia has already taken. This is an old old Cold War mentality after WWII. Not only that, they totally bailed on NATO with this, make no mistake. The Europeans and the Ukrainians, like the Palestinian's, have not even been consulted about this as far as I can tell. The world is about to enter an age of instability not seen since the 50's and 60's because that's the mindset here now in our government.
2naSalit
(96,514 posts)Finally hang the fucker for treason now?
Martin Eden
(14,175 posts)Based negotiations between Trump and Putin.
What leverage does the US have other than withholding aid, which it appears Trump plans to do anyway?
Western Europe has already indicated it will pick up that slack.