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edhopper

(35,790 posts)
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 02:29 PM Feb 17

Fucking NY Times!

Fuck their cheerleading.
From today's email newsletter.

Democrats may not approve of Trump’s targets — foreign aid and consumer protection agencies — or the potential constitutional crisis he initiated when he tried to eliminate them. But some Democrats might envy the speed at which he cut through red tape. After all, liberal lawmakers have for years complained about bureaucracy that moved too slowly and rules that stifled their ambitions.


America might not approve of Hitler's targets, Holland and France--or the potential war crimes they initiate. But American's might envy the speed of his Blitzkrieg to cut through the defenses of peaceful countries. After all, hasn't America been just as aggressive in trying to take over the World.
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Fucking NY Times! (Original Post) edhopper Feb 17 OP
So, when we take back all three branches of government Aviation Pro Feb 17 #1
"...starve out the red states..." markodochartaigh Feb 17 #48
Or get their filthy hands on the money for themselves and Bluethroughu Feb 17 #58
Exactly. markodochartaigh Feb 17 #60
NY TIMES, IT'S CALLED BREAKING THE LAW! Bluethroughu Feb 17 #2
If "liberals" did what Trump is now doing, the NYT would compare them to Stalin, Mao or Jung Un. sop Feb 17 #8
Exactly! Bluethroughu Feb 17 #47
You are exactly correct! MacKasey Feb 17 #53
The difference being the Dems respect The Constitution. n/r John1956PA Feb 17 #3
A whole lot of really good ones, though: Ocelot II Feb 17 #4
Editorials are meaninless edhopper Feb 17 #13
Wait! What?!?! You're defending the NYT?!?! bif Feb 17 #24
Shame on me. Ocelot II Feb 17 #25
It's called gaslighting. 58Sunliner Feb 17 #27
All opinions. The hard news still flatters Trump in coverage and headlines.. Lonestarblue Feb 17 #26
"Liberal lawmakers have for years complained about bureaucracy that moved too slowly and rules that stifled sop Feb 17 #5
Liberals edhopper Feb 17 #15
Is it real or is it AI? cbabe Feb 17 #6
What does it matter edhopper Feb 17 #16
True. Wonder if a human editor reviewed or simply waved it by. cbabe Feb 17 #19
The byline edhopper Feb 17 #21
I'll agree with one thing... WarGamer Feb 17 #7
Yes! Cutting unnecessary spending in order to aid the programs you mention . . . John1956PA Feb 17 #11
Who wrote the above? Ty BootinUp Feb 17 #9
German Lopez edhopper Feb 17 #17
Link and author please AStern Feb 17 #10
German Lopez edhopper Feb 17 #18
Thank you AStern Feb 17 #46
Here's a link. It's in their email newsletter, not the main publication. Ocelot II Feb 17 #31
German Lopez is his name. . . DinahMoeHum Feb 17 #43
Haven't read the NYT in ages claudette Feb 17 #12
That "red tape" is the United States Constitution Martin Eden Feb 17 #14
I agree senseandsensibility Feb 17 #22
This! bronxiteforever Feb 17 #32
They are disgusting senseandsensibility Feb 17 #20
Liberal lawmakers have for years complained about bureaucracy? mzmolly Feb 17 #23
The article continues with quotes from Biden and Obama somsai Feb 17 #28
It takes time to actually get things done. mzmolly Feb 17 #34
slow legislation is one thing Skittles Feb 17 #61
Cut through the Constitution orangecrush Feb 17 #29
Yes, it's a pretty useless article. Ocelot II Feb 17 #30
Is there a newspaper we can depend on these days? Jilly_in_VA Feb 17 #33
The Guardian is good. nt spooky3 Feb 17 #49
I check The Guardian every day Jilly_in_VA Feb 17 #54
Same it seems like the world can see the criminal for what he is Dem4life1234 Feb 18 #72
The Guardian PhylliPretzel Feb 17 #50
Right on, cilla4progress Feb 17 #35
Is anyone writing a protest letter to the New York Times? calimary Feb 17 #36
That bureaucracy is called three branches of government Beck23 Feb 17 #37
Trump is a lawless criminal law-breaker. Liberals believe in following process. Baitball Blogger Feb 17 #38
CONServative tabloid paper. Emile Feb 17 #39
Brown Shirt Brown Nosing Fascists Waist Deep In Trump's Prolapsed Gaping Asshole MayReasonRule Feb 17 #40
Astonishingly off the mark. So easy to destroy and dismantle illegally and illegitimately what took years to build. Rs Pepsidog Feb 17 #41
Yes. TPTB (including MSM) want this to be about rules, authority, processes, conflicts between wiggs Feb 17 #42
Exactly senseandsensibility Feb 17 #59
Who writes their shit? Joinfortmill Feb 17 #44
NYET Times impressed by a Barbarossa Blitzkrieg? GreenWave Feb 17 #45
So crimes are ok if some people Progressive dog Feb 17 #51
We don't need no steenking Constitution! We're the New York Times! dchill Feb 17 #52
sure but the trains are finally running on time Voltaire2 Feb 17 #55
The day wouldn't be complete without a NYT rant. bif Feb 17 #56
Absolute trash! stillcool Feb 17 #57
Sick. They are intentionally boosting his "style". Passages Feb 17 #62
If only Merrick Garland .... kiri Feb 17 #63
It may not turn out to be so fast unless they ignore court orders - which might have consequences. soldierant Feb 17 #64
"Turd polishing" Six117 Feb 18 #65
Yeah, that's right you incredible twit. Mblaze Feb 18 #66
ESAD, NYT Blue Owl Feb 18 #67
I think, about 88 years ago, swong19104 Feb 18 #68
Yeah fu*k them Figarosmom Feb 18 #69
The idiots running the NYT these days need a basic lesson in Civics and the Constitution augyboston Feb 18 #70
wtf is wrong with these people? 4catsmom Feb 18 #71
Bullshit! We're supposed to "envy" Trump's total disregard for the constitution and the rule of law? Martin68 Feb 18 #73
I envy their ruthlessness in attaining power and how they use power when they have it. BannonsLiver Feb 18 #74
The problem is that ruthlessness requires lawlessness and unconstitutionality. Democracy is not based on ruthlessness. Martin68 Feb 18 #78
I don't agree with your point that being ruthless requires lawlessness. BannonsLiver Feb 18 #80
THE N Y TIMES, Like Most of the Other Mainstream Media, Is a Coward! Daleuhlmann Feb 18 #75
Wrong, assholes! We DO NOT approve of Trump's targets. There is no "may" here. Initech Feb 18 #76
Gardeners marvel at the speed at which lumberjacks prune trees. Wingus Dingus Feb 18 #77
I cancelled my NYT subscription back in 2016 after the NYT worked to elect trump LetMyPeopleVote Feb 18 #79
NY TIMES Editorial Sounds Like "Deja Vu All Over Again!" Daleuhlmann Feb 18 #81

Aviation Pro

(14,215 posts)
1. So, when we take back all three branches of government
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 02:34 PM
Feb 17

We can starve out the red states with reckless abandon?

markodochartaigh

(2,656 posts)
48. "...starve out the red states..."
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 05:21 PM
Feb 17

That's what the red state oiligarchs want. Of course they would prefer to be in power nationally and rule over an ignorant population bereft of hope and control over their lives. But the oiligarchs' plan B is to be out of power nationally and rule over an ignorant population bereft of hope and control over their lives. One of the red state oiligarchs biggest struggles is against Democratic politicians on the national level trying to provide aid to the poor and working class in the red states, or at least to take credit for the aid which does seep through.

Bluethroughu

(7,170 posts)
58. Or get their filthy hands on the money for themselves and
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 06:48 PM
Feb 17

Their pig friends willing to take food out of childrens' mouths, for recognition of providing volleyball courts for private institutions they like.

markodochartaigh

(2,656 posts)
60. Exactly.
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 07:46 PM
Feb 17

30% off the top for themselves. Another 20% off the top for their friends and family plan, those friends and family who set up middle man businesses. Another 20% off the next level for junior associates, and the rest to buy whatever from other friendly businesses to give something to the needy.

Bluethroughu

(7,170 posts)
2. NY TIMES, IT'S CALLED BREAKING THE LAW!
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 02:35 PM
Feb 17

Breaking our country's Constitution is nothing to envy! That's called a dictatorship!
Stupid news.

sop

(13,768 posts)
8. If "liberals" did what Trump is now doing, the NYT would compare them to Stalin, Mao or Jung Un.
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 02:54 PM
Feb 17

Ocelot II

(124,294 posts)
4. A whole lot of really good ones, though:
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 02:39 PM
Feb 17

THE EDITORIAL BOARD
Don’t Surrender to the Coercion Presidency
The Trump administration is trying to bake quid pro quo deal making, coercive tactics, loyalty tests and other dishonorable practices into American government.

DAVID FRENCH
The Disrupter in Chief Can’t End a War Like This
The Trump team’s vacillations may not just cost Ukraine its independence; it could set the stage for a cataclysm.

THE CONVERSATION
Trump’s First Four Weeks Felt Like Four Years
The problem is that if we have another three years and 11 months of this, there won’t be a rule of law left in the United States.
By Gail Collins and Bret Stephens

GUEST ESSAY
The 1980s Are Back, and Not in a Good Way
I worshiped Ronald Reagan and big hair in the 1980s. The MAGA youth of today remind me of myself.
By Elizabeth Spiers

GUEST ESSAY
Sorry, Mr. Kennedy, Most Americans Want to Get Their Shots
Threatening vaccine access is not only bad science, it’s bad politics.

MAUREEN DOWD
Who Will Stand Up to Trump at High Noon?
Trump and Musk are destroying the magic of America.

GUEST ESSAY
This Is What the Courts Can Do if Trump Defies Them
How the escalating measures available to courts would work.
By Trevor W. Morrison and Richard H. Pildes

NICHOLAS KRISTOF
Not Quite a Unified Theory of Trumpism, but Still an Alarming Pattern
Trump’s actions remind me of authoritarians I’ve covered for four decades around the globe.

https://www.nytimes.com/section/opinion

bif

(25,176 posts)
24. Wait! What?!?! You're defending the NYT?!?!
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 03:15 PM
Feb 17

They actually published some decent op-ed pieces?!?! How dare you!

Ocelot II

(124,294 posts)
25. Shame on me.
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 03:16 PM
Feb 17

I was supposed to have unequivocally condemned them for their weak-ass headline.

58Sunliner

(5,639 posts)
27. It's called gaslighting.
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 03:21 PM
Feb 17

I don't give a shit how many puff pieces they post as opinions when the weight of the balance of their news is condoning Trump, or not countering Trump with the truth. They have been utterly negative about Biden. The bias is evident.

sop

(13,768 posts)
5. "Liberal lawmakers have for years complained about bureaucracy that moved too slowly and rules that stifled
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 02:39 PM
Feb 17

their ambitions." That is a breathtakingly stupid comment, even for the NYT.

edhopper

(35,790 posts)
15. Liberals
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 02:59 PM
Feb 17

have been railing against the reactionary, right wing court. Not the bureaucracy. Fuck the Times.

cbabe

(4,889 posts)
6. Is it real or is it AI?
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 02:46 PM
Feb 17

TechCrunch

https://techcrunch.com › 2025 › 02 › 17 › the-new-york-times-has-greenlit-ai-tools-for-product-and-edit-staff

The New York Times has greenlit AI tools for product and edit staff

TodayThe New York Times is now allowing its product and editorial teams to use AI tools, which might one day write social copy, SEO

WarGamer

(16,972 posts)
7. I'll agree with one thing...
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 02:48 PM
Feb 17

I wish it was US slashing the size and cost of Gov't...

And using the saved $$ to fund increased base SS benefits, Medicare for all and a moon-shot "Housing for all" plan.

John1956PA

(3,942 posts)
11. Yes! Cutting unnecessary spending in order to aid the programs you mention . . .
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 02:56 PM
Feb 17

. . . rather than ordering more unnecessary products to aid Musk's companies.

AStern

(192 posts)
46. Thank you
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 04:58 PM
Feb 17

Someone stated that he got all pissy when Vox wanted to unionize. He allegedly reversed his opinion but is getting dragged fiercely on bluesky.

Martin Eden

(14,152 posts)
14. That "red tape" is the United States Constitution
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 02:58 PM
Feb 17

The red tape Democrats have to deal with has been pure obstructionism by Republicans to block any legislation that seeks to help Americans who are not millionaires.

senseandsensibility

(21,677 posts)
22. I agree
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 03:05 PM
Feb 17

Dems are not the ones complaining about regulations and the rule of law. They do everything by the book legally without complaining. This both siderism is disgusting but typical of the NYT.

senseandsensibility

(21,677 posts)
20. They are disgusting
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 03:04 PM
Feb 17

Your post is merely the latest example. They have pushed the RW agenda for decades. Thanks for calling them out.

mzmolly

(52,104 posts)
23. Liberal lawmakers have for years complained about bureaucracy?
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 03:11 PM
Feb 17

When? Where?

WTF kind of shit article is this?

somsai

(96 posts)
28. The article continues with quotes from Biden and Obama
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 03:22 PM
Feb 17

One such Democrat was Joe Biden. Toward the end of his term as president, he said his administration was too slow to roll out his infrastructure law. “Historians will talk about (how) great the impact was,” Biden told USA Today last month. “But it didn’t have any immediate impact on people’s lives.”

Similarly, Barack Obama promised “shovel-ready” projects to help revitalize the economy, but they were slow to get started. “Shovel-ready was not as shovel-ready as we expected,” Obama said in 2011. Gov. Gavin Newsom of California has criticized his state’s troubled high-speed rail project. “I watched as a mayor and then a lieutenant governor and now governor as years became decades,” he said in 2023. “People are losing trust and confidence in our ability to build big things.”

mzmolly

(52,104 posts)
34. It takes time to actually get things done.
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 03:45 PM
Feb 17

Firing federal workers en masse via email is a quick and thoughtless process.

The article is a joke.

The author also wrote this piece > https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/02/why-nothing-works-marc-dunkelman/681407/

Skittles

(163,477 posts)
61. slow legislation is one thing
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 07:48 PM
Feb 17

repukes are PUSHING FASCISM at lightning speed - THAT is entirely another

Ocelot II

(124,294 posts)
30. Yes, it's a pretty useless article.
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 03:23 PM
Feb 17

It appeared in "The Morning," NYT's daily emailed newsletter, but not in the full publication.
Here it is in its entirety: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/17/briefing/cutting-red-tape.html?unlocked_article_code=1.xk4.Ogx5.2N0e6dxglyT6&smid=url-share

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

Jilly_in_VA

(11,777 posts)
33. Is there a newspaper we can depend on these days?
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 03:30 PM
Feb 17

I tried trial subscriptions to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and the Philadelphia Inquirer and was dissatisfied with both. Basically too much local news and not enough national news in either. Any suggestions? I have canceled my WaPo account for obvious reasons and canceled my NYT account 2 years ago.

Jilly_in_VA

(11,777 posts)
54. I check The Guardian every day
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 05:40 PM
Feb 17

But despite its "American" edition, it's British. So, with that in mind, I'm still looking for a decent American newspaper that hasn't been corrupted.

Dem4life1234

(2,530 posts)
72. Same it seems like the world can see the criminal for what he is
Tue Feb 18, 2025, 10:21 AM
Feb 18

Except American newspapers. It makes me sick.

PhylliPretzel

(177 posts)
50. The Guardian
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 05:28 PM
Feb 17

I recommend The Guardian online. For TV news, try Democracy Now! with Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzales. I have found Al Zajeera English the most comprehensive for international news.

calimary

(85,902 posts)
36. Is anyone writing a protest letter to the New York Times?
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 03:59 PM
Feb 17

Um… aren’t they supposed to be objective, instead of routinely dumping on the Dems?

Baitball Blogger

(49,825 posts)
38. Trump is a lawless criminal law-breaker. Liberals believe in following process.
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 04:13 PM
Feb 17

The New York Times has idiots for reporters.

MayReasonRule

(3,158 posts)
40. Brown Shirt Brown Nosing Fascists Waist Deep In Trump's Prolapsed Gaping Asshole
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 04:26 PM
Feb 17

May they be flushed like the turds they are.

Pepsidog

(6,334 posts)
41. Astonishingly off the mark. So easy to destroy and dismantle illegally and illegitimately what took years to build. Rs
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 04:29 PM
Feb 17

incapable of building anything good and useful so they unilaterally destroy, unless it helps the top income earners. Shame on NYT.

wiggs

(8,196 posts)
42. Yes. TPTB (including MSM) want this to be about rules, authority, processes, conflicts between
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 04:30 PM
Feb 17

branches of government. Instead, stories should be about damage to institutions, to national security, to public safety, to education, to our global standing, to long-held important alliances, to stability, and more. Impacts are VERY serious and very complex but I see very little good discussion about them.

senseandsensibility

(21,677 posts)
59. Exactly
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 06:54 PM
Feb 17

IMO they are afraid to spell it out so they tiptoe around the issue with Washington speak and legalities. It just sounds like business as usual to a lot of viewers. But then again, normalization is one of the corporate media's goals.

Progressive dog

(7,460 posts)
51. So crimes are ok if some people
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 05:32 PM
Feb 17

approve of how quickly they were committed. Whatever happened to journalists who cared about right and wrong or at least legal and illegal.

dchill

(42,033 posts)
52. We don't need no steenking Constitution! We're the New York Times!
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 05:35 PM
Feb 17

(Oh please Mr Trump please give us access! We beseech thee!)

stillcool

(33,646 posts)
57. Absolute trash!
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 06:17 PM
Feb 17

so sick, and so obvious. They're making Judith Milller look like an honest reporter. I think about this from time to time, with so many clusters turning.

https://www.salon.com/2007/01/31/aspens/
Scooter Libby wrote a jailhouse note to Judith, saying, "Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them."

kiri

(928 posts)
63. If only Merrick Garland ....
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 10:38 PM
Feb 17

If only Merrick Garland had had an equal dispatch, dedication, and sense of duty we might well have avoided the present crises.

soldierant

(8,384 posts)
64. It may not turn out to be so fast unless they ignore court orders - which might have consequences.
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 11:45 PM
Feb 17

Mblaze

(537 posts)
66. Yeah, that's right you incredible twit.
Tue Feb 18, 2025, 12:50 AM
Feb 18

Dems are envious of how quickly Trump has brought our country to a constitutional crisis.

This is not a fucking computer sim. This is real and it involves real human beings.

The Gray Lady has succumbed to dementia.

swong19104

(400 posts)
68. I think, about 88 years ago,
Tue Feb 18, 2025, 03:32 AM
Feb 18

The NY Times did a similar knob-polishing of Adolph Hitler. That he was quick to get things working and getting people employed and...

augyboston

(323 posts)
70. The idiots running the NYT these days need a basic lesson in Civics and the Constitution
Tue Feb 18, 2025, 08:28 AM
Feb 18

An un-elected (not one vote) Musk running around tearing apart the government without any oversight or authority may be fast, but that doesn't make it right.

The NYT I grew up with would be screaming from the rooftops for Congress to do its job!

What a total joke this once great newspaper has become.

Martin68

(25,478 posts)
73. Bullshit! We're supposed to "envy" Trump's total disregard for the constitution and the rule of law?
Tue Feb 18, 2025, 12:18 PM
Feb 18

Fuck the NYT.

BannonsLiver

(19,043 posts)
74. I envy their ruthlessness in attaining power and how they use power when they have it.
Tue Feb 18, 2025, 12:34 PM
Feb 18

I’m not for lawlessness or disregarding the constitution, however.

Martin68

(25,478 posts)
78. The problem is that ruthlessness requires lawlessness and unconstitutionality. Democracy is not based on ruthlessness.
Tue Feb 18, 2025, 01:08 PM
Feb 18

That is the fascist approach. If democracy is not strong enough to reject Trump, then our democracy has been a failure. Let's not assume Trump is going to win this fight in the long run. If he does, it will require a revolution and a rewrite of our constitution to restore democracy.

BannonsLiver

(19,043 posts)
80. I don't agree with your point that being ruthless requires lawlessness.
Tue Feb 18, 2025, 02:31 PM
Feb 18

Or that it equates to fascism.

 

Daleuhlmann

(618 posts)
75. THE N Y TIMES, Like Most of the Other Mainstream Media, Is a Coward!
Tue Feb 18, 2025, 01:02 PM
Feb 18

Yeah, it's easy to get things done in a totalitarian state that doesn"t have a democracy to slow it down. What a sell-out by this editorialist!

Initech

(104,522 posts)
76. Wrong, assholes! We DO NOT approve of Trump's targets. There is no "may" here.
Tue Feb 18, 2025, 01:04 PM
Feb 18

Fuck Trump, Musk, and this whole vile administration! They are a threat to the United States!

Wingus Dingus

(8,943 posts)
77. Gardeners marvel at the speed at which lumberjacks prune trees.
Tue Feb 18, 2025, 01:07 PM
Feb 18

Surgeons are impressed at the speed at which axe murderers amputate limbs. Hot nonsense from the NYT.

 

Daleuhlmann

(618 posts)
81. NY TIMES Editorial Sounds Like "Deja Vu All Over Again!"
Tue Feb 18, 2025, 03:05 PM
Feb 18

I agree with the blogger who called what Trump is doing "breaking the Law!" Mainstream media, judges, and politicians who praise, excuse, or even overlook Trump's crimes remind me of the same parties who did the same thing in having aided and abetted Hitler's rise to power. They also remind me of, again, the same forces who had openly admired and supported Benito Mussolini for having at last made the trains run on time in fascist Italy 🚈🕛🗾.

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