If need be, do you think that the Feds could find you if you post on Democratic Underground?

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[Lex]

1. I'm sure they could find most anyone

if they wanted to, regardless of where they post.

[el_bryanto]

2. Probably. But why would it matter? n/t

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. I'm sure they could, and I don't give a damn. n/t

[Yo_Mama]

4. They very definitely can. n/t

[Xipe Totec]

5. Easily.

And they have more to fear of me, than I of them.

I would have their badges pinned to my wall.

4th amendment rules.

[2naSalit]

6. They already know where I am

What I find amazing is that people don't realize that if you have any kind of communication device, you're tagged.

[quinnox]

7. of course

they have tech that can track down internet traces and use very sophisticated methods. Unless you are some kind of professional hacker and know how to disguise your tracks, which is a tiny percentage, most of us could easily be traced by the government.

[mike_c]

8. hell, freepers have found me from my posts on DU....

Couple of asshats tried to start a letter writing campaign to my dept chair and university president several years ago complaining about my political views. The chair and I had a good chuckle about it. I presume the president's office has a special round file dedicated to complaints about tenured faculty's politics, LOL.

But I post under my real name, and anyone who wants to go back through my DU posts can easily find where I work, live, etc.

[ms liberty]

28. Wow...I remember you posting about that! n/t

[LeftyMom]

56. They thought they were going to get you drummed out of where for being a liberal?

I knew they were dumb, but god damn.

[mike_c]

80. seriously....

[Solly Mack]

9. The Feds already know where I'm at.

They didn't need DU for that.

[Blue_In_AK]

10. Oh, sure, and I don't really care,

especially since we now know that they were monitoring Anchorage's Occupy movement, as well. For all I know, they've been following me since the '60s.

[Shrike47]

11. Feds can, I figure.

States, on the other hand, or at least my state, can't find anybody much.

I used to work for a state agency where we tried to find people. Small towns, the cops could usually locate for us but cities were hopeless.

[Brigid]

12. I'm sure they could.

With less effort than I would like to think about.

[cheapdate]

13. Can't imagine why they would care.

[JDPriestly]

33. That is my view. I don't say anything that I am ashamed of although I do sometimes

post in an, shall we say, impatient, critical state of mind.

I don't think we should have so much surveillance, but I can't see that my opinions would pose a problem for anyone.

[green for victory]

14. the following picture lives on imageshacks server and when someone clicks

on this thread the IP and time is logged.(excluding VPN and proxies)
That takes care of 95% or so, and usually leads to a physical address.

It doesn't take much thought to see what kind of doors this opens up...

(thank you vpn and proxies)

although, the feds have probably set up a good portion of the vpn's and proxies out there! heh heh

[Mimosa]

31. You're correct about the proxy servers

I'm sure that's how a lot of people get caught doing bad things.

[Warren DeMontague]

37. which means that every person who looked at this thread has their IP logged.

Does not mean that it's terribly easy to figure out who is who, given that a lot of people are looking at the thread.

[Earth_First]

64. I'd be more worried about my track record on the ground than DU...

However, I'm really not that concerned about it.

[snooper2]

77. I didn't know I was a fed, guess I better start deleting a shitload of VRFs

[obamanut2012]

15. I know for a fact they can

I have a relative who does that.

[Kalidurga]

16. Of course

But, I doubt a situation will arise where the Feds need to find me. Or one where they want to find me.

[stultusporcos]

17. Sure they can add my posts to my file at the FBI

Yes I have one and yes I have seen parts of it.

[OutNow]

38. Yes - me too

Heck, the FBI knows me from the COINTELPRO program in the 1960s. I haven't changed my philosophy and they haven't changed their unconstitutional practices. And I don't give a damn what they know. I obtained my redacted FBI file via a FOIA request around 1980 and it was filled with vague allegations and a list of what meetings I attended. You know, I belonged to dangerous organizations like the American Friends Service Committee and SANE. They even interviewed my boss and my landlord, knowing that I had committed no crime but insinuating that I might be a risky guy to employ or rent to.

Bottom line - yes, the FBI can be nasty little bastards - but don't let them stop you.

[stultusporcos]

39. They are going to do what they do and we cannot stop them

if they really want you for any reason they can do it and you can't do dick about it.

Whats ya gonna do?

[oberle]

81. I had an FBI folder

Back in the 60s I was in the Young Socialist Alliance, and it prevented my father from getting a government job. He was told there was a file on me. I was proud.

[dipsydoodle]

18. Can't see they'd have too much difficulty given as an example

when I went into the Guardian site this morning I was already signed into FB and fuck me my own picture appeared on the Guardian's repsonse section asking for a comment.

[benld74]

19. I KNOW where I am,,,,,,

[MrSlayer]

20. If they want you, they're going to get you.

But really, they don't.

[lastlib]

21. Agent Mike knows stuff...............

Count on it.

"Vee haff vaaa-aaysss"

[spanone]

22. they can find you if you breathe.

[petronius]

23. I'm not optimistic enough to think that they'd only wait for a need, but yes... (nt)

[madrchsod]

24. do`t care if they do.....

if they really wanted to they could dig through their files....

[rustydog]

25. No Duh!

[MightyMopar]

26. Hell car dealers are finding me!

And that beautiful girl in the t-shirt with big..................

[dimbear]

27. They could find my computer, for sure. Me they would have to catch, but then I'm old, so

likely yes.

[Mimosa]

29. Online and cellphones communication tracked, stored NOW

Our communications are being tracked now, and have been for the last 5-6 years.

Click on link to read about the communication monitoring bases in the US and see photos.

http://vincentandmorticiasspeakeasy14846.yuku.com/topic/8760/NSA-Building-Worlds-Largest-Spy-Center-Word-Say

[Coyotl]

30. I can find you if you post on DU. I even found George Bush's IP number once.

Anyone posting on DU or any discussion board can obtain the IP number of any person reading the thread if they know how. It is very easy to do.

[Mimosa]

32. How?

Do tell, please.

I haven't heard that and I know a bit.

[Turbineguy]

34. Sure, but I'm not worried, I like America.

I just don't like Americans who want to kill Americans like me.

[dairydog91]

35. You can substantially shield yourself by using a Tor browser.

But that's slow, and has other limitations. Anything done with a regular browser, and without any other security measures by you? Easy to find.

[Nye Bevan]

36. Unless you use a secure anonymous proxy,

and gave fake info when you signed up, easily.

[GeorgeGist]

40. If need be, they'll find you. Period.

[Motown_Johnny]

41. DU has my email

That should be enough to find me if they want to.

[HereSince1628]

42. I assume that they have already found me and find me as boring

as do my DU associates.

[Robyn66]

43. I am pretty sure they can find us any time they want to

My husband works for a company that provides components for satellites. He says they can read the numbers off the face of a dime. We are watched constantly and anyone who does not believe that is naive.

[customerserviceguy]

44. I'm sure they can

but I assume I'm pretty low on their priority list.

On the other hand, every time I fly back from the Pacific Northwest with all kinds of great NW wines and beers in my check-in luggage, the majority of my bags get the "we looked through your bag and found dirty underwear" cards in them. I guess I attribute that to their Barney Fife intelligence, and after six years of living in NY, they have not quite figured out that I am an honest citizen who just likes to bring back top-quality beverages from a prime region for them!

Maybe someday they'll catch a real terrorist.

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. Is the Pope Catholic?

[Fearless]

46. Aside from a desire for constitutionally suggested privacy

I have nothing to hide. Nothing I say or do on DU is illegal in any way.

I'd call it a waste of taxpayer dollars to bother me.

[Skip Intro]

47. Yes, without a doubt. nt

[bluestate10]

48. All of our IP addresses are registered here. That information can be used to

get our addresses if that effort is required.

[RedCappedBandit]

49. Let's just say, if a right wing military coup were to occur..

we'd all be fucked.

[uppityperson]

58. Well dayum, I better go buy a gun and shoot my computer

just in case.

[Mimosa]

59. Left, right = good cop, bad cop for the most part

In reality politics are circular. There isn't a long rope with left or right ends far apart.

[Deep13]

50. "If need be...."

I doubt there would ever be a legitimate need to do so.

[Permanut]

51. Not possible to trace me..

I have my entire computer, printer, modem and cables covered with tin foil.

[darkangel218]

52. ROFL!!!

[bowens43]

66. damn...I just spit coffee all over my monitor!!!

[pinboy3niner]

69. The first rule of Stealth Mode is: You do not talk about Stealth Mode

[riqster]

84. You just broke the rule with your post.

[pinboy3niner]

85. Oh, damn!

[onehandle]

73. Just one layer?

Fail.

[jeff47]

79. Just make sure it's actual tin and not aluminum.

Aluminum foil actually concentrates radio transmissions when worn as a hat. Tin doesn't.

[pinboy3niner]

83. I'm reading you loud and clear

Thanks to my correct hat.

[defacto7]

53. Actually, just about anyone can.

There is very little that is completely anonymous in this world if you own anything, communicate, travel or work. Whether the average person has the skill or desire is about the only thing that makes it not universal. You do know that you can buy information from the DMV at a price and even in bulk. You have a phone? or a pad? you are pegged. The fact is, you have to buy stealth and it's not cheep or foolproof.

If the feds want to get to you, it's no problem. Whether they want to is the only point. If it's politically in the interest of the Feds, then it's a done deal. I wouldn't sweat it though. The number of people being monitored is already practically beyond their ability to handle I'd imagine. Maybe we should keep it that way.

[Skittles]

54. of course they could

they are not idiots

[Socal31]

55. Someone has not read about the Utah facility.

This is no conspiracy nut-job black-helicopter. This is the real deal.

Wired.com did the expose. Incredible what is being put into it.

[PurpleEngineer]

57. Sure...

Of the many problems the Federal Government has, locating citizens is not one of them.

[Raine]

60. Absolutely. nt

[graham4anything]

61. Why is that worrysome? Anyone who uses EZ pass, cell phone, Credit card is known info wise

I would think, like in baseball or in cop world, any plant or bad person would be an irritant to any group anyhow

And to make sure a team or group or cops in general are good, easiest way is to get the plants out, the bad ones out.

because in any group, there are instigators who do not have the goal of the group in mind

It just takes one bad person to create the exact opposite effect a group is trying to gain

and especially as the misbeotten OWS thinking that being anonymous is good.
No, it's the exact wrong way, because anyone can speak for them, and who knows if they are or aren't.
(not to mention being anonymous means they will never run for office, which means they never actually can change the system from within, which is the way any of the great protesters in the past now realize is the way to do it.)

BTW-remind people again,
The legendary Dr. King was wiretapped by John F. Kennedy and his attorney General Robert Kennedy.
So it's nothing new.

And it didn't stop Dr. King did it?

Again, I welcome being stopped at the airport and going through security, because it does keep people safe.
And when I am part of a group, damn right i want to ferret out those who have ulterior angles and motives

because I always wonder, what the hell is anyone trying to hide, when they already know it.

(as said, you pay by CC, have EZ pass and use a discount card at a supermarket, they know what toilet paper i purchase, and i never use cash, and have a complete record of my transactions.
So do they.
So what?
Who gives a spit

BTW-in the older days, when people made a call in a rural area, anyone in the area could have been on the phone with you.

So it don't bother me.

And yes to the answer

But also, if I were in a car in a ditch, they would be able to find me too, and save my life.

And if there is another terror plot, hopefully they will be able to make it safe prior to 3000 people dying like on 9-11.
and people forget that actual real people died on 9-11.

[green for victory]

63. "and people forget that actual real people died on 9-11."

lots of people in the us have no idea their government is killing innocent people all the time

doesn't bother many here too much either

Drone Strikes Are Causing Child Casualties -- 178 So Far
War Costs’ latest video brings attention to the children who have died as a result of drone strikes. December 26, 2012 |
http://www.alternet.org/world/drone-strikes-are-causing-child-casualties-178-so-far

During my recent trip to Pakistan as part of our upcoming documentary film, Drones Exposed, I was struck most by the stories told to me by children who had experienced a U.S. drone strike firsthand. The impact of America’s drone war in the likes of Pakistan and Yemen will linger on, especially for the loved ones of the 178 children killed in those countries by U.S. drone strikes....

Kinda comes down to which lives are worth caring about and which are easy to forget

doesn't it

[graham4anything]

67. your example is backward, sorry,

had there been a drone over BinLaden before he plotted what he did 3000 people would be alive

who wouldn't have wanted a drone over hitler for instance

the faux thinking and soundkabibbles is that the media mentions the people killed
however, ten times more would have been dead had there not been drones

and I wish drones would be here to stop before they enter, any person who does mass
shootings.

you have to look in perspective, and the line the media is selling, I am not buying.

collateral will always happen, but then, they would most likely die in handtohand war ten times over or a thousand times over

and it is because Oklahoma City and CT school are one and the same, that all gun killings by mass shooters (not talking street crime, but mass killings) should be considered part of the war on terror, guns WMDs and then any and everything done to stop it should be on the table (like Elizabeth Warren said about options in Iran).

[Prometheus_unbound]

62. Why the feds?

I'm more concerned about google finding me.

[Quantess]

65. I doubt I'm interesting enough

for anyone to care.

[bemildred]

68. They can find me lots of ways, I'm not hiding. nt

[madokie]

70. And if I was to get stupid and start theatening people they'd be right too

In my way of thinking.
We all have a duty, if I may, to be good citizens. To work to settle grievances through lawful means

[Thegonagle]

71. I'm a two-time donor to the site, so yes, easily. nt

[randome]

72. Fixing up your bunker for the coming government apocalypse, are we?

[HappyMe]

74. Meh.

They would have to be pretty damn bored.

[Recursion]

75. I haven't been using TOR to surf here, so yes

Plus there's probably enough identifying anecdotes in my posts over the years that they could figure it out even if I did (not that many people have gone to college X, worked at company Y, and married somebody who does Z)

[liberal N proud]

76. How hard would it be?

I own 4 computers/tablets etc. DU is saved as a favorite with my logged automatically.

[bluedigger]

78. I just assume they have bigger fish to fry.

I don't think they consider me much of a threat.

[slackmaster]

82. Yes, of course they could

If they can get a subpoena they can compel the site owner to disclose anything.

[riqster]

86. WRGAS?

[progressoid]

87. Hell, our credit agencies can probably do it.