I'm surprised to see so few posts from expats

[txlibdem]

I would like to live in Asia or Latin America after I retire. I hate city life, just want a slow pace and friendly people surrounding me.

[Nay]

1. I want to end up elsewhere after retiring, too, and frankly, once I leave

I will have a hard time giving a shit about what happens in the U.S. Sad but true. I bet that's why we don't hear much from expats, except the occasional happy post about how they're glad they left.

[txlibdem]

2. Good point

I, however, want to retire to some place where my meager funds will enable me to still help the poor in a significant way.

My dream is to build and fund schools, wells, or health care centers, etc. I'm not sure where that would put me on the globe.

[jambo101]

19. Thats me

Emigrated to Canada some 40 years ago for a very good job,always thought i'd return to the USA when i retired, now that i'm retired i'm not really feeling the passion to return to the USA as the place is going through some strange times that i dont want any part of...

[Spider Jerusalem]

3. Not here anyway.

most of the expatriate Americans I know of on DU post in the main forums like General discussion.

[txlibdem]

4. Perhaps they don't know about this group.

I think I'll post about it in GD one of these days and see if that redirects some of them.

[arldi2]

5. Ex Pats do still care about what's going on in the US

...it's just we do not see any reason to EVER move back. Most Americans are so egocentric and so isolated they never realize that there are better locations for quality of life than the average location in the US. And in this current politico-economic environment I do not see that getting better anytime soon. What do I mean by "better"? Do not misunderstand me, I love much about America...but the best places to live are now out of my price range. Like many people I lost ( a lot) during the recent downturn...no details necessary. Employment that allowed me to pick up the pieces came from Eastern Europe. Soon I was recovering financially. But along the way as I now traveled to Brussels, Copenhagen, Rome, Paris, and Geneva for my work just as I used to frequent Washington, NYC, Chicago, San Francisco etc. I began to see that, yes, Europe has it's problems too, but....there are so many things that Republicans scoff at like: environment, public transit, intercity rail, quality medical care, pedestrian and bike friendly streets, access to world class culture often at affordable prices...I could go on. No, not every place on this side of the pond has its act together but I will tell you that I now understand why all those polls on qualtiy of life, low corruption, low crime, human services, happiness, etc etc.all start with countries in northern Europe. On these same measures, the US seems to fair no better than 20 something or worse. I choose to live in Vilnius, Lithuania a nation still shaking off lingering effects of Communism but is clearly destined for the same quality of life as its Scandinavian neighbors. And I recently bought a home in a reknowned spa town of about 20k population...(like an American University town). The purchase prices was about $130K and am renovating/upgrading it. Might be that much in it again, but...when I do...I will have access to not only spas but 100's of Km of bike and ski trails, quality culture, health care, water sports, and on and on. all walking distance by the way. Try buying a home in Sonoma, Calistoga, or Saratoga Springs for that kind of money! Lithuania wouldn't be for everyone...too dark and cold at times though I do love summer without air conditioning. Warm loving folks might look further south at property in Portugal or Spain. Except for the most Southern province, Algarve, Portugal is dirt cheap right now and both governments will pull out of their current slump. By the time they do though,the real estate will not be so reasonable anymore. Oh and English is now a growing second language in Portugal, too. Very friendly people

Hope this all gets someone thinking..and traveling....and then demanding as I do politically for better quality of life in my home country.....the USofA

[arldi2]

6. Ex Pats do still care about what's going on in the US

...it's just we do not see any reason to EVER move back. Most Americans are so egocentric and so isolated they never realize that there are better locations for quality of life than most of the US. And in this current politico-economic environment I do not see that getting better anytime soon. What do I mean by "better"? Do not misunderstand me, I love much about America...but the best places to live are now out of my price range. Like many people I lost ( a lot) during the recent downturn...no details necessary. Employment that allowed me to pick up the pieces came from Eastern Europe. Soon I was recovering financially. But along the way as I now traveled to Brussels, Copenhagen, Rome, Paris, and Geneva for my work just like I used to frequent Washington, NYC, Chicago, San Francisco etc. I began to see that, yes, Europe has it's problems too, but....there are so many things that Republicans scoff at like: environment, public transit, intercity rail, quality medical care, pedestrian and bike friendly streets, access to world class culture often at affordable prices...I could go on. No, not every place on this side of the pond has its act together but I will tell you that I now understand why all those polls on qualtiy of life, low corruption, low crime, human services, happiness, etc etc.all start with countries in northern Europe. On these same measures, the US seems to fair no better than 20 something or worse. I choose to live in Vilnius, Lithuania a nation still shaking off lingering effects of Communism but is clearly destined for the same quality of life as its Scandinavian neighbors. And I recently bought a home in a reknowned spa town of about 20k population...(like an American University town). The purchase prices was about $130K and am renovating/upgrading it. Might be that much in it again, but...when I do...I will have access to not only spas but 100's of Km of bike and ski trails, quality culture, health care, water sports, and on and on. all walking distance by the way. Try buying a home in Sonoma, Calistoga, or Saratoga Springs for that kind of money. Lithuania wouldn't be for everyone...too dark and cold at times though I do love summer without airconditioning. Warm loving folks might look further south at property in Portugal or Spain. Except for the most Southern province, Algarve, Portugal is dirt cheap right now and both governments will pull out of their current slump. By the time they do though,the real estate will not be so cheap anymore. English is now a growing second language in Portugal, too. Very friendly people

[whathehell]

9. You don't speak for ALL ex-pats.

I know people who lived in Europe (northern Europe, btw) who were anxious to return.

Just sayin.

[Quantess]

12. Just curious, whathehell,

what would motivate you to visit the "Americans Abroad" group, anyway?

I remember you from a couple of other threads that revolve around the topics like: The USA is Slipping in the World; Ex-pats; America is Going Down the Drain, etc. I remember you as being very angry and defensive, and seeming to take any criticism of the USA personally. Any unfavorable comparisons to anywhere else in the world seemed to cause some upset with you. What was that about, anyway?

[whathehell]

13. What would motivate me, to visit the "Americans Abroad" group, Quantess?

The fact that I've also lived abroad.

As to the rest of the accusations and insinuations,

I'm sorry, but I don't care to revisit old arguments.

Ciao.

[Blue_Tires]

7. There used to be a bunch on the old DU

I guess not everyone made the move over...

[ICDpress]

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[We are Devo]

10. I would like to leave too

someday. My brother plans to go to SE Asia, possibly. I don't know if I could handle the heat and humidity. I'm very sun-sensitive too. May have to move north out of Los Angeles to Portland or something. Pricey there too. It just sucks that the cheap places are all in hot climate regions.

[Quantess]

11. I have no desire to move back to the USA.

I hope nobody takes that as an insult. It's just that I still want the American Dream, but it's so hard to stay in the middle class there, anymore, compared with many other places of the world. It is no longer the land of opportunity, and that is a documented fact.
Actually to be more specific, it was the American health care system that was so frustrating for me. It was the difficult access to health care, if you want to know the one biggest reason I don't want to move back. Not unless things get better.

[davidpdx]

20. I don't either

I've been in Korea for 9 years with brief stays in the US for 6 weeks, 4 months, and China for 10 months. The last two times I've only gone back for 2 weeks to visit. I've sold everything, but keep a bank account, a mailing address, a drivers license, and I have a Skype phone number so people can call me. Those I'll connections I'll probably continue to keep. I am a permanent resident of Korea with my own car and house, so I don't ever have to worry about leaving.

[California Expat]

14. Living in Sweden and loving it

I am living in Sweden and love it here.

Everything you hear about socialized medicine is true, except the lines and waiting. very fine care, I usually see a doctor the day I call for an appointment, if not, the day after. I will not be spending more than 500usd for out of pocket expenses in any 12 month period.

And is is soooo much fun watch American Politics from a distance.

Wherever you go, make sure to join Democrats Abroad.

[CharlesSpencerKing]

15. Here's one

Blog with important pictures here:

http://rivr.sulekha.com/us-customs-and-border-patrol-kill-16-year-old-boy-in-nogales-sonora-mexico_594070_blog

Text without photos:



Nogales International story:

http://www.nogalesinternational.com/news/bp-agent-reportedly-shoots-kills-rock-thrower-in-nogales-sonora/article_dc827398-13c0-11e2-934b-001a4bcf887a.html?success=1#_=_


A Border Patrol agent apparently shot and killed a teenager in Nogales, Sonora late Wednesday night after being shelled with rocks near the border fence.The Sonora State Investigative Police, or PEI, said 16-year-old José Antonio Elena Rodríguez of Nogales, Sonora was found dead of gunshot wounds on the sidewalk on the south side of Calle Internacional, which faces the border fence on the west side of town.Lt. Carlos Jimenez of the Nogales Police Department said the incident began when NPD officers responded to a report of suspicious activity on West International Street. The report involved males carrying bundles, he said.
“Our guys got there, they encountered some people who started fleeing south,” Jimenez said.
Then Border Patrol agents arrived on the scene.
According to Border Patrol spokesman Shelton McKenzie, the agents responded to reports of two suspected drug smugglers near West International Street and Hereford Drive at approximately 11:30 p.m.
“Preliminary reports indicate that the agents observed the smugglers drop a narcotics load on the U.S. side of the international boundary and flee back to Mexico,” McKenzie said in an emailed statement. “Subjects at the scene then began assaulting the agents with rocks. After verbal commands from agents to cease were ignored, one agent then discharged his service firearm. One of the subjects appeared to have been hit.”
Photos taken by Sonoran media showed authorities and emergency responders surrounding a lifeless body on the sidewalk on the south side of Calle Internacional, near the intersection with Calle Ingenieros. Some of the photos showed a pool of blood coming from the victim’s head.
The PEI said Rodríguez was shot "various" times in different parts of his body. Ramón Guzmán, mayor of Nogales, Sonora, told the newspaper El Imparcial that Rodríguez was shot eight times.
“Independent of whether it was a result of seemingly irregular or illicit acts, it is not the logical conduct to take the life of another human being,” he said, adding: “I hope it’s not going to come out (in the United States) that it was for legitimate defense.”
The Mexican government also condemned the use of lethal force.
“Preliminary information at this time brings forth, once again, serious doubts about the use of lethal force by U.S. Border Patrol agents, something that both the Mexican Government and Mexican society strongly deplore and condemn,” Ricardo Alday, a spokesman for the Mexican Embassy in Washington, said in the statement.
“It is imperative that the relevant U.S. authorities proceed with a timely and transparent investigation,” Alday added. “Mexican authorities will proceed accordingly within their jurisdiction.”
Eyewitness account:
In a report Thursday afternoon on Radio XENY of Nogales, Sonora, reporter Cesar Barron said that according to an eyewitness, two males were climbing on the border fence, apparently on their way back from the U.S. side, when the Border Patrol agents arrived.
According to the witness, the agents told the suspects that they were going to be arrested, and that they were better off behind bars in the United States than in Mexico. The suspects reportedly responded with an obscenity.
At that point, four more males arrived on the Mexican side and began to throw rocks toward the fence in an apparent effort to help the two suspects escape. That's when an agent began firing, the witness told Barron.
Some of the bullets reportedly struck the walls of a medical office behind Rodríguez. Luis Contreras Sánchez, the physician who operates the office, was quoted by the newspaper Expreso as saying the building was hit 14 times. Other news outlets put the count between five and “12 or more.”
Contreras Sánchez’s building and the sidewalk where Rodríguez's body was found are located below a point at which the border fence begins rising up a hill, and are approximately 12 feet below the base of the 25-foot fence. The fence is comprised of interconnected steel poles with 4 inches of space between them.
McKenzie said the Border Patrol notified Mexican authorities following the shooting and secured the scene on the U.S. side.
“U.S. Customs and Border Protection is fully cooperating with the FBI-led investigation,” he said





My Commentary:
I always assumed I'd place my life in danger by writing something on the drug cartels, not a US government agency. My books are on culture and though I write commentary on many subjects, I tend to be more global than just my corner of the world. However, when an international story drops in your lap three blocks from your home, the responsible journalist does not sit on their hands. This story is not yet of the magnitude it deserves as it is only 24 hours old, but it will be.



The reason is fairly simple, either the statements are wrong, or it is a cover up, because simply the facts do not jive. Let's spell this out so you can decide, Here is the recap. two young men were carrying bundles on the US side of the border. What happened to these bundles? Did they drop them, or return to Mexico with them? If they dropped them, why is this not mentioned in the statement?



Where the truck is in middle of road is location (notice hill)


To understand the weakness of the US government's claim we must describe the area. The site of the killing is a mere three blocks from the main (of three) gate in Nogales, it is heavly policed on both sides of the border with armed police, military and government agencies from both countries. Therefore, it is about as unlikely an above ground location that I could pick for drug smuggling, Furthermore, on the US side it is a mere twenty yards from the employee parking lot for the US govenment employees that is manned and camera active. There is also a one hundred plus feet tall guard tower less than two blocks away. The Mexican side is business/ residential with the south side of International Street being where the we find the first building after a sidewalk. Thus there is no natural cover between the border fence and where the sixteen year old was killed. Another key part of the geography is that it is not flat. A fifty foot sheer faced hill faces directly North and runs for a block each to the east toward the main gate, and to the west further away from it. On top of this vertical hill sits the twenty foot high fence. the fence is of the new variety with vertical slits.


Close up of location, notice tower and angle needed to make shot

1) How exactly did the boys get up the big hill and back over the massive wall to Mexico? The reports say all this was witnessed, and as I see it (based on the report) one can't exactly "flee" back to Mexico when faced with a substantial wall, unless of course they built a massive ramp, dug a tunnel under the concrete foundation, used an acetylene torch to cut a hole, or set a new pole vault record.

2) Why was the boy shot on the Mexican side? Twelve bullet holes in a wall behind him? Logic seems to tell me that anytime there is gun fire, anyone throwing rocks "flees" rather than stays to face a bullet, so why not fire over his head?

3) He was shot eight times? In the back an head? This is troubling to say the least. But what is even more troubling is the fact that anyone who fired a shot from the other side would be to climb the fifty foot sheer hill on the US side, press their nose against the twenty foot wall and fire down fifty feet to the street level to a location that would not be visible to anyone not next to the US side of the wall. A random shot from a substantial distance from the wall on the US side could not have killed the boy.

4) Eye witnesses state that four boys arrived on the scene and began throwing rocks. This is also difficult
to swallow as all four would have had to scale the fifty foot hill, get to the slits to throw accurately. These same wall would have protected the officers. Should the four boys have been throwing rocks from the street level over the 50 ft hill, over the 20 foot wall fighting gravity, I doubt Nolan Ryan could not have hit an officer. That officer of course as i stated would have had to be on the US side and up the hill. Why would an officer be within five feet of the wall endangering himself for a suspect who had already fled to Mexico?

5) The boys would have had to negotiate not just the 20 ft wall but the 50 ft steep hill to return to Mexico, and remember the bundles. Scaling a fifty foot hill, climbing a twenty foot fence takes time especially carrying bundles. According to the story and reports the Nogales Arizona police department witnessed this whole whopper of a tale. After the scaling the boys would have to scale back down the Mexican side, jump fifty feet to the street or repeal to the street, cross it, where the sixteen year old is finally shot eight times.

6) Those eight shots plus the twelve holes i counted at the scene make 20. Exactly what type of service revolver (side arm) fires a clip of 20 shots? From my cheap seats emptying a 20 round clip, (assuming there is one) suggests murder, not self defense. Particularly when the only way to make those twenty shots is to have your nose against the wall, or be within five feet of it.



I'm the first guy to laud the efforts of the US Border patrol and Customs and Immigration officers. Having said that, I also was saddened to see the men and women in green take over the main entry to Mexico on Grand avenue, from the men and women in blue. CBP is in green and Customs and Immigration in dark blue. It was not only the fact that I have friendly relations with the blue team over the last ten years of multiple daily crossings, it was more. I (like most residents) have seen the green team often take liberties that leave me wondering. This can be as simple as speeding without their lights, to dangerously running red lights without their sirens or lights active. Driving one handed while on the cell phone is another, that I find dangerous, indeed many residents are guilty of this too, but I feel agents should lead, rather than follow in safety. I also have noted that the green teams do not seem to have the people skills the blue teams display regularly, yet perhaps this is training. I suppose I'd simply say that I am not biased against the green teams, I simply do not not hold them in the same high esteem as I do the men and women in blue. I realize they have a tough and sometimes dangerous job, but like the military, this is a job they sought out, they were not drafted to and therefore must be held 100% accountable for their actions



Sixteen year old boys deserve a second chance in life, its sad and shocking this young man did not get that chance. Mexican soil is not US soil. His life is not worth two missing bundles, even if they did have drugs inside. These are the facts as this American citizen living in mexico sees them, I wish they were different, but they just don't jive with the statements issued.

[davidpdx]

16. I don't come into this forum much

I hang out in the Politics 2012 or General Discussion forums.

[Ducksoup]

17. Retired in Spain

I retired in the US about four months ago to move to the mountains of Spain. Although new at this, I have no intention of returning any time soon. My wife and I sold everything including real estate and cars and decreased our belongings to sixteen boxes and four pair of skis. We went from living in a 3000 sf 100 year old home to a three bedroom apartment. We no longer have a desire to own automobiles as the public transportation is phenomenal here. Our complete coverage healthcare costs less than $200 US a month for both of us and includes dental. Our food bill is exceptionally less than in the States. It costs less to ski here. The people are friendly and the wine is super cheap and excellent. The cultural activities in our small town abound. What an adventure. We still continue to maintain daily contact with US news but are gaining another perspective on it now. However, I would not recommend this unless you have a good grasp of Spanish because only a minority speak English here. There are the equivalent of ESL classes here in Spanish. I tried to learn Spanish in high school and in undergrad school a few times and am surprised at how I still retain the ability to learn more at 61 yo. Although we are fortunate enough to live anywhere we desire at this time, we are happy here. This is not for everyone.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

18. How did you get permission to live there?

I thought it was hard to obtain permission to live in the EU countries.

[Number23]

21. Didn't know this group even existed and just subscribed

Has anyone had the "but you don't live here!!" gauntlet thrown at them lately??

[davidpdx]

22. I've seen people throw it around DU quite a bit

They usually get a very nasty reply from me if I see it.

[Number23]

23. I'm always amazed at the number of people who trash the US endlessly

and scream so loudly about how they're "going to go somewhere else" usually a European country. And yet, these people are usually the first ones to toss the "but you don't live here" stupidity at someone who is actually living outside of the country, either temporarily or permanently.

For a while I thought that type of behavior was just something that Freepers did. Yet another thing that DU has taught me isn't true.

[cbayer]

24. New to the ex-pat community here.

Just moved to Mexico and plan to keep moving for the rest of my life.

Looking forward to meeting some of the people in this group and hopefully getting some guidance.