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BumRushDaShow

(143,063 posts)
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 02:30 PM Nov 11

Republicans Vow to Defy Schumer, Escort Dave McCormick Into Capitol

Source: Newsweek

Published Nov 11, 2024 at 9:30 AM EST


Republican lawmakers are vowing to "escort" Dave McCormick into the Capitol to take part in Senate orientation if the upper chamber's majority leader, Chuck Schumer, continues to withhold his invitation. Senators Mike Lee of Utah, Katie Britt of Alabama and Eric Schmitt of Missouri said they will defy Schumer and personally transport the Republican candidate for the Pennsylvania Senate seat to the ceremony.

The Associated Press called the race between McCormick and Democratic incumbent Senator Bob Casey in favor of the Republican on November 7. Website Decision Desk HQ has still not called the race at time of writing, with Casey's campaign stating he will not concede until all the votes are counted.

Schumer has not invited McCormick to attend Senate orientation in the coming week as there are ballots left to be counted in Pennsylvania. "With over 100,000 ballots left to be counted in Pennsylvania, the race has not been decided. As is custom, we will invite the winner once the votes are counted," a Schumer spokesperson told Fox News Digital on Sunday.

As of early Monday morning ET, McCormick is ahead of Casey by 49 percent to 48.4 percent, amounting to a gap of around 39,000 votes with 99 percent of ballots counted. If the gap is within or equal to 0.5 percent, it would trigger an automatic recount under state law. Any statewide automatic recount must be ordered by the Secretary of the Commonwealth by the end of the second Thursday following an election, which would be November 14.

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-vow-defy-schumer-escort-dave-mccormick-capitol-1983773

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Republicans Vow to Defy Schumer, Escort Dave McCormick Into Capitol (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Nov 11 OP
Oh come on..... Lovie777 Nov 11 #1
There are between 100,000 and 130,000 ballots to be counted gab13by13 Nov 11 #5
I just did math with the latest numbers Polybius Nov 11 #20
NY Times has the difference now down to 0.51% AdamGG Nov 12 #35
You go to Pennsylvania election website Deminpenn Nov 12 #41
I was contacted by local election office Butterflylady Nov 12 #61
Republicans will trample anything that stands in their way. bucolic_frolic Nov 11 #2
Marc Elias is on this gab13by13 Nov 11 #7
Mark Elias is not in the senate. jimfields33 Nov 12 #51
Schumer should have security to keeps them out. Autumn Nov 11 #3
Dickeylee Dickeylee Nov 11 #17
That's not the Senate's security. ancianita Nov 11 #18
I believe the word is "trespassing " Seinan Sensei Nov 11 #22
Not really. These senators are giving this "guest" senator permission, so they think they've got some official ancianita Nov 11 #25
That's really fucking stupid. Anyone should be able to call security. Autumn Nov 12 #49
The Laws Don't Apply To Them SoCalDavidS Nov 11 #4
Marc Elias is representing Casey gab13by13 Nov 11 #9
Guess who just became the senior Senator from Pennsylvania... FakeNoose Nov 11 #6
No he didn't gab13by13 Nov 11 #10
Its over. Of the 130k outstanding votes only 43k or so are from strong D areas - Philly mainly. The other 87k kelly1mm Nov 11 #29
But 25K is less than 0.5% AdamGG Nov 12 #38
But far larger than can be changed by a recount FBaggins Nov 12 #42
This is why we lose: Why is SCHUMER not escorting Casey back to Washington? jvill Nov 11 #8
Schumer isn't escorting Casey because the election hasn't been decided yet gab13by13 Nov 11 #11
Since Casey is a Senator I would think he will be there. FloridaBlues Nov 11 #14
This is orientation for new Senators, gab13by13 Nov 11 #26
Schumer is not even escorting AZ's Gallego to the Senate orientation. SunSeeker Nov 12 #40
Couldn't Shumer request Sergeant at arms remove him? bluestarone Nov 11 #12
I would think so. gab13by13 Nov 11 #13
Sen Schumer is my Sen so I e-mailed him about McCormack, and the Sargent at Arms in case he hasn't truely tet won. electric_blue68 Nov 12 #33
Absolutely. ancianita Nov 11 #19
Why even bother? AdamGG Nov 12 #37
Why do we have rules and laws Hope22 Nov 12 #47
Gosh. "Why bother" ? i guess the only reason i can think of is bluestarone Nov 12 #48
Except the Rethuglicans are going to be controlling it in 3 weeks AdamGG Nov 12 #57
Done with you. bluestarone Nov 12 #60
Delete bluestarone Nov 12 #59
How we come together as a nation Marthe48 Nov 11 #15
Waaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! GIVE ME THAT IT'S MINE!!! Initech Nov 11 #16
Why not just bring both in for orientation but not allow either to vote? OnlinePoker Nov 11 #21
Brownshirts orangecrush Nov 11 #23
Just like they escorted their insurrectionists last time. Hmm. Orrex Nov 11 #24
How is Garland doing with the Loudermilk investigation? gab13by13 Nov 11 #27
I'm sure we'll see action on that front any day now Orrex Nov 11 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 12 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 12 #44
The gop is a party of thugs and bullies. C Moon Nov 12 #30
Fuck you Dave McCormick! Initech Nov 12 #31
Dems should start saying they are trying to Stop the Steal Hassler Nov 12 #32
Fuck the GOP. This shit is all they ever do. Karasu Nov 12 #34
If there's a recount, it will be irrelevant whether McCormick has been escorted around, right? AdamGG Nov 12 #36
Many people are hanging their hat on the mid-terms moniss Nov 12 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 12 #46
OH F F S!!!! elleng Nov 12 #43
Why not invite all four? HereForTheParty Nov 12 #50
I've been saying that for a few days. jimfields33 Nov 12 #53
Let all of the votes of the people be counted. Either reschedule the orientation until after all races iluvtennis Nov 12 #52
This is where the civilians come into play. The Grand Illuminist Nov 12 #54
Recount would count all races on ballot? kerouac2 Nov 12 #55
Moot now DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 12 #56
More lawlessness from the corrupt GOP tonekat Nov 12 #58

gab13by13

(25,297 posts)
5. There are between 100,000 and 130,000 ballots to be counted
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 02:50 PM
Nov 11

the vast majority of those ballots are from Philly/Pittsburgh, heavy Democratic. It is a good possibility that Casey can win those ballots 70-30. I have seen experts predict a Casey win.

Come on what/

Polybius

(18,027 posts)
20. I just did math with the latest numbers
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 09:35 PM
Nov 11

Philly has 684,729 votes so far, with 92.8% in. That leaves 49,300 left there. The vast majority of remaining counties, McCormick is leading. I know that you're a good person and always think positive, but it doesn't look good.

Scroll down a little and click "Est. Remaining votes", then click "+ view all counties."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/pennsylvania-senate-results

AdamGG

(1,503 posts)
35. NY Times has the difference now down to 0.51%
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:34 AM
Nov 12

I know that there's more McCormick counties, but most of them are a lot smaller in size. I'm too tired to try to combine the numbers for all of them, but the latest count has the difference at less than 35,000 votes at 0.51%. The automatic recount kicks in at 0.5% so if the counting pulls things any more in Casey's direction at all, there will be a recount.

Deminpenn

(16,333 posts)
41. You go to Pennsylvania election website
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 03:42 AM
Nov 12

and download results by candidate and by county which breaks down votes by total votes, election day votes, mailed votes and provisional votes.

Butterflylady

(3,998 posts)
61. I was contacted by local election office
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 07:01 PM
Nov 12

To help cure ballots. Evidently they are overwhelmed by mailed in votes. I 🤔 think the future will be electronic voting 🗳 instead of in person voting.

ancianita

(38,727 posts)
18. That's not the Senate's security.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 08:23 PM
Nov 11

It's the Senate Sergeant-at-Arms.


The sergeant at arms can compel senators to come to the Senate Chamber to establish a quorum and can arrest and detain any person violating Senate rules. The sergeant at arms also is responsible for issuing subpoenas at the direction of the president of the Senate or a committee chairman.


And yes, Schumer can have the Senate's Sergeant-at-Arms refuse entry and even detain the unruly Republicans who resist him.

Seinan Sensei

(710 posts)
22. I believe the word is "trespassing "
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 10:15 PM
Nov 11

To enter (a property, a building, etc.) intentionally, wrongfully, and without permission.

ancianita

(38,727 posts)
25. Not really. These senators are giving this "guest" senator permission, so they think they've got some official
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 11:07 PM
Nov 11

role, but are still breaking abusing their role, defying the majority leader, and engaging in a kind of disorderly conduct, bringing dishonor upon the Senate. Their histrionics have ill intent to fight the Majority Speaker. It's as if they don't GAF about their jobs.

Even worse, they want to publicly "call" the race in PA -- symbolically or actually -- before the PA election votes are counted, which is almost a form of election interference, though they'd insist on some "likely story" that they're only protesting the election process in PA.

kelly1mm

(5,287 posts)
29. Its over. Of the 130k outstanding votes only 43k or so are from strong D areas - Philly mainly. The other 87k
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 11:53 PM
Nov 11

are from substantially R areas. I believe Casey will cut the loss to around 25k votes, but still a loss.

FBaggins

(27,751 posts)
42. But far larger than can be changed by a recount
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 03:51 AM
Nov 12

Over the last 25 years, the largest vote shift resulting from a statewide recount is .08%

The average is .03% and is more likely to be in the initial leader’s favor

https://fairvote.org/report/election-recounts-2024/

jvill

(377 posts)
8. This is why we lose: Why is SCHUMER not escorting Casey back to Washington?
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 02:53 PM
Nov 11

Outrage at their behavior all you want. The reactionary right couldn't give a fig.

Until we start forcing issues, we'll keep losing.

gab13by13

(25,297 posts)
11. Schumer isn't escorting Casey because the election hasn't been decided yet
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 02:57 PM
Nov 11

If Casey wins he doesn't have to go to Washington, what Schumer is doing is orientation for new Senators.

SunSeeker

(53,823 posts)
40. Schumer is not even escorting AZ's Gallego to the Senate orientation.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 03:38 AM
Nov 12

Apparently when the invites when out, the Gallego race was still too close to call.

gab13by13

(25,297 posts)
13. I would think so.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 02:59 PM
Nov 11

McCormick hasn't won the seat yet. AP doesn't decide who won, Pa election officials decide and they are still counting votes.

electric_blue68

(18,309 posts)
33. Sen Schumer is my Sen so I e-mailed him about McCormack, and the Sargent at Arms in case he hasn't truely tet won.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 12:37 AM
Nov 12

ancianita

(38,727 posts)
19. Absolutely.
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 08:25 PM
Nov 11
The sergeant at arms can compel senators to come to the Senate Chamber to establish a quorum and can arrest and detain any person violating Senate rules. The sergeant at arms also is responsible for issuing subpoenas at the direction of the president of the Senate or a committee chairman.


https://www.senate.gov/about/officers-staff/sergeant-at-arms.htm#:~:text=As%20chief%20law%20enforcement%20officer,Capitol%20and%20the%20Senate%20office

AdamGG

(1,503 posts)
37. Why even bother?
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:47 AM
Nov 12

What matters is if he's there after January 3rd when the new Senate is sworn in. Is it relevant to the ultimate result whether he is allowed to tour around during the orientation or not?

Why should Schumer bother to make a scene with the Sergeant at arms when McCormick might be there in the end anyway? The Republicans will do bring your kid to work day, but it will be up to Pennsylvania whether he gets to stay.

Hope22

(2,982 posts)
47. Why do we have rules and laws
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 07:48 AM
Nov 12

If the same people are allowed to break them over and over! Why do Republicans continually break the laws and make a mockery of this government?

bluestarone

(18,303 posts)
48. Gosh. "Why bother" ? i guess the only reason i can think of is
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 09:45 AM
Nov 12

Because WE control the Senate and it's the fucking senate rules!! No more laying back and letting these Bastards do what they want. THAT'S WHY!

AdamGG

(1,503 posts)
57. Except the Rethuglicans are going to be controlling it in 3 weeks
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:14 PM
Nov 12

and this last stand doesn't really accomplish anything.

OnlinePoker

(5,840 posts)
21. Why not just bring both in for orientation but not allow either to vote?
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 09:58 PM
Nov 11

Same goes for Gallego and Lake from Arizona.

gab13by13

(25,297 posts)
27. How is Garland doing with the Loudermilk investigation?
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 11:15 PM
Nov 11

Laudermilk was the guy who gave the Capitol tour to insurrectionists.

Response to Orrex (Reply #28)

Response to gab13by13 (Reply #27)

Karasu

(209 posts)
34. Fuck the GOP. This shit is all they ever do.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:20 AM
Nov 12

Zero respect for democracy. None. They've been wearing this as a badge of pride for over a decade now, and it's been normalized ever since they stole a Supreme Court position with no consequences. This is what happens when there are never, ever any actual consequences for your actions. It does not--and will not--end.

Count. Every. Single. Vote.

AdamGG

(1,503 posts)
36. If there's a recount, it will be irrelevant whether McCormick has been escorted around, right?
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 01:40 AM
Nov 12

If the difference between the candidates is < 0.5%, the recount is mandatory. If Pennsylvania determines that Casey has won, the fact that McCormick was "shown around" the Senate couldn't influence the result, right? It's just about trying to rile up the outrage of their base, like everything else.

The result will be what it is either way.

moniss

(5,951 posts)
39. Many people are hanging their hat on the mid-terms
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 03:11 AM
Nov 12

but there is no guarantee there will be mid-terms. It is a very plausible scenario for there to be an "uprising, attack" etc. used for an excuse for a martial law declaration under the scenario the USSC cited in Milligan v United States during the time of Lincoln. According to the Court " The President can declare martial law when circumstances warrant it:
When the civil authority cannot operate, then martial law is not only
constitutional, but would be necessary: “If, in foreign invasion or civil war, the courts are actually closed, and it is impossible to administer criminal justice according to law, then, on the theatre of active military operations, where war really prevails, there is a necessity to furnish a substitute for the civil authority, thus overthrown, to preserve the safety of the army and society; and as no power is left but the military, it is allowed to govern by martial rule until the laws can have their free course. As necessity creates the rule, so it limits its duration; for, if this government is continued after the courts are reinstated, it is a gross usurpation of power. Martial rule can never exist where the courts are open, and in the proper and unobstructed exercise of their jurisdiction. It is also confined to the locality of actual war.”

Once they would declare the courts to not be viable to function all bets are off. Anybody could argue impropriety all they want but there will be no legal forum to address it. Of course that would be something extreme but I would remind everyone that when Nixon was having his showdown with the Supreme Court over tapes, lost the decision and conducted the Saturday Night Massacre the country held it's breath because we didn't know how far Nixon would go and would he make a move on the SC itself? It was not a question we had assurance about from the military and our overriding question was "who would stop him and how"? Especially if he had some loyalists in the military go to the White House to protect him while others spoke for his removal? These scenarios may seem extreme, and they are to a very real extent, but we are dealing with extremists who have clearly demonstrated they view laws etc. as something to ignore or bowl over.

My point here being it is not a sure thing. How likely will he declare some "uprising" or "invasion"? That might be a whole other matter. Other legal scholars feel that only the Congress could do this and although that may be where would you go to make your legal argument once he declares the Courts closed? Where does an impeachment and conviction go for enforcement if there is no mechanism to enforce it? Do you go to the military? What happens in the case where some in the military support him? Do we end up in a shooting scenario between factions?

At the end of the day we as Americans have always felt that we would always have a "next time". It's in our piece of paper and in our beliefs and our faith in our system. But we are now dealing with people who don't care what the piece of paper says, our beliefs and in fact they use destruction of our faith in our system as a way to further solidify their moves.

Response to moniss (Reply #39)

jimfields33

(19,171 posts)
53. I've been saying that for a few days.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 11:24 AM
Nov 12

It’s dumb to have this nonsense when two out of four will be in the senate. Maybe the other two who will lose will learn something about how the senate works. Makes sense.

iluvtennis

(20,903 posts)
52. Let all of the votes of the people be counted. Either reschedule the orientation until after all races
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 11:21 AM
Nov 12

are called with 100% of the votes counted or invite all of the candidates where 100% counts are still pending.

The Grand Illuminist

(1,665 posts)
54. This is where the civilians come into play.
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 11:28 AM
Nov 12

Since law enforcement won't do their job, it is up to strong people to do it for them by every means.

kerouac2

(733 posts)
55. Recount would count all races on ballot?
Tue Nov 12, 2024, 11:45 AM
Nov 12

Wonder if it would pick up any shenanigans at the top. What was final vote diff, like 150k?

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