International Criminal Court issues arrest warrant for Israeli Prime Minister
Source: CNN
The International Criminal Court has issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant over alleged war crimes.
In a statement on Wednesday, the Netherlands-based court said it found reasonable grounds to believe that Netanyahu bears criminal responsibility for war crimes including starvation as a method of warfare and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts.
It rejected Israels challenge of the courts jurisdiction over the matter.
Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/21/middleeast/international-criminal-court-issues-arrest-warrant-for-israeli-prime-minister/index.html
ck4829
(35,910 posts)David Boyle
(242 posts)Then again, I'm not sure how the ICC will enforce it...
LymphocyteLover
(6,762 posts)David Boyle
(242 posts)my post at https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219747536 gives one way that can happen... (at least removing him from office)
David Boyle
(242 posts)See the June 2024 David Hoffman The Hill article, "US recognition of a Palestinian state could change everything", at https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4718181-us-recognition-of-a-palestinian-state-could-change-everything/ , saying that if
"the United States were to recognize a Palestinian state, it would be a political tsunami that would likely topple Netanyahus extremist government, as a majority of Israelis are clamoring for... With a likely cease fire, the return of hostages, and prospects of a regional rapprochement between Israel and Saudi Arabia... It would be the bold, decisive act that would secure President Bidens place in history."
So, here are links for you to contact Joe Biden and Kamala Harris:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/share/
https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/vicepresident/
Here's even a short template for you (tweak as you will):
"Dear President Biden [or Vice President Harris], please have the White House immediately officially recognize the State of Palestine, as the Vatican did in 2015. This may help bring justice for Palestine, relieve Israel of the burden of occupation, and create goodwill for America leading to the release of the seven U.S. hostages, and hopefully all hostages, in Gaza. You would be courageous and right to create Mideast justice and get back our hostages now, rather than leave it to Donald Trump's questionable competence.
Thank you,
Sincerely, [you]"
Ponietz
(3,305 posts)Thats what protesters called him. They hurt the Democratic Party in the election. Too many Muslims and Gen Z voted for Schlump.
Ya spins the wheel ya takes your chances.
David Boyle
(242 posts)One can try, tho.
Ponietz
(3,305 posts)As if Joe hadnt worked non-stop for a ceasefire and sufficient humanitarian aid. Unfortunately, the Gaza pier didnt work.
Hamas could release the hostages and end this today, but the fuckwits wont renounce violence.13 months later still hiding under baby diapers and womens skirts. Its Hamas responsibility to see to the well-being of their people but they steal any aid coming in. Fuckwits is an understatement. Newsflash: Islam is not a religion of peace. I dont want Biden to recognize a terrorist State. Thats insane.
Dance with who brung ya now.
David Boyle
(242 posts)Hamas are terrible people, but not all Palestinians are Hamas.
Islam has different elements (Sufis, etc.), just as Xianity produced MLK, but also... Mike Huckabee.
Ponietz
(3,305 posts)[link:https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-739943]
Mohammed al-Sufi, a 43-year-old Muslim preacher from Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip, died hours after he was detained by Hamas police officers last Wednesday.
Sources in the Gaza Strip said Sufi was known for his criticism of Hamas leaders and their ties to Iran. The sources said that in recent sermons he criticized Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar and other Hamas leaders for boasting of their close relations with Iran.
Sufis family said he was detained shortly after his return to the Gaza Strip from Egypt, together with his son Abdullah.
And you want the U.S. to recognize these degenerates. Thats idiotic.
David Boyle
(242 posts)One of these things is not (wholly) like the other!
As not all Israelis are Netanyahu...
Ponietz
(3,305 posts)Doh!
SMDH
Unbelievable
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Mosby
(17,469 posts)You didn't know that?
AZLD4Candidate
(6,285 posts)AZLD4Candidate
(6,285 posts)Ponietz
(3,305 posts)If Palestinians in Gaza protested Hamas to the degree theyve gone after Biden in the U.S. this crises would be over.
Elected or not, recognize Palestine only when a stable, civilized government (one that renounces violence) is in control.
AZLD4Candidate
(6,285 posts)David Boyle
(242 posts)If Palestinians have world respect, some of them may be less desperate and extreme.
Ponietz
(3,305 posts)The ball is in their court. Hamas is in charge. Renouncing violence and returning the hostages is the only way. They learned nothing from Gandhi, Mandela, or King. Their playbook calls for the destruction of Israel.
David Boyle
(242 posts)I agree they should renounce the desire to destroy Israel.
Yes, they could learn from MLK et al.
Mosby
(17,469 posts)That didn't give them the right to remove by force the PA from Gaza.
Abbass term ended 15 years ago or so.
I don't believe we will ever see any more elections in the territories, when Abbas dies I think a civil war will break out amongst the clans, fighting for control of Fatah.
There is so much antisemitism in the UN I wouldn't be surprised if they vote to "create" a Palestinian country, but it's won't have any legitimacy, because it will represent just another attempt to ignore UNSCR 242/338.
David Boyle
(242 posts)Thanks for details.
Eko
(8,492 posts)If someone doesn't vote for us they are our enemies? Fuck them and the horse they rode in on? Joe's not like that fortunately. He does things because he thinks they are right to do.
David Boyle
(242 posts)artemisia1
(786 posts)David Boyle
(242 posts)Hieronymus Phact
(505 posts)When that new country decides to continue bombing the Israelis?
David Boyle
(242 posts)Israel'd have the right to fight back, in that hypothetical.
Joinfortmill
(16,406 posts)'Benjamin Netanyahu[a] (born 21 October 1949) is an Israeli politician, serving as the prime minister of Israel since 2022, having previously held the office from 1996 to 1999 and from 2009 to 2021.[3] He is chair of the Likud party. Netanyahu is the longest-serving prime minister in Israel's history, having served a total of over 17 years.'
David Boyle
(242 posts)electric_blue68
(18,019 posts)David Boyle
(242 posts)Rabin's widow wasn't happy with Netanyahu, I recall.
Israeli
(4,299 posts)at the funeral and declined his out stretched hand .
David Boyle
(242 posts)Israeli
(4,299 posts)that told me I should leave my country of birth as if I had anywhere
else to go to ......he doesnt like my Left wing politics .
Not all of us have dual citizenship
Its also a battle cry for those of us on the streets .
David Boyle
(242 posts)Everyone deserves a country.
Israeli
(4,299 posts)David Boyle
(242 posts)Posted earlier than mine. Although mine provides a link to the news.
C0RI0LANUS
(1,338 posts)The ICC did not provide the arrest warrant as a public-facing document, but issued the following statement:
"The Chamber issued warrants of arrest for two individuals, Mr. Benjamin Netanyahu and Mr. Yoav Gallant, for crimes against humanity and war crimes committed from at least 8 October 2023 until at least 20 May 2024, the day the Prosecution filed the applications for warrants of arrest."
"The arrest warrants are classified as secret, in order to protect witnesses and to safeguard the conduct of the investigations."
Any nation that is a signatory to the ICC has an obligation to execute these arrest warrants.
The US, India, Indonesia, and China are not state parties to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (Rome Statute),[1] which founded the ICC in 2002.
These two PIFWCs can therefore safely travel to those four countries without fear of being detained.
Nota Bene: SC Jack Smith completed an assignment at the ICC prosecuting PIFWCs (Persons Indicted For War Crimes) before investigating #45.
Sources:
https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-state-palestine-icc-pre-trial-chamber-i-rejects-state-israels-challenges
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Criminal_Court
David Boyle
(242 posts)AZLD4Candidate
(6,285 posts)David Boyle
(242 posts)Eko
(8,492 posts)Judges at the International Criminal Court (ICC) have issued arrest warrants for Israels prime minister and former defence minister, as well as the military commander of Hamas.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly2exvx944o
AZLD4Candidate
(6,285 posts)Lonestarblue
(11,827 posts)AZLD4Candidate
(6,285 posts)I know why. it's because of that star on the Israeli flag.
Again, we Jews are always held to a double standard.
We get attacked, we caused it.
We fight back, we're wrong.
And antisemitism is the only bigotry that routinely gets dismissed.
Redleg
(6,142 posts)It seems to me, in this case, that indictments for the leader of a nation state is a more serious act than indictments against known terrorists.
I don't deny that there is anti-Jewish bias in many places- I just don't see this particular instance as an example of it.
AZLD4Candidate
(6,285 posts)Murder is murder. Terrorist murders are less serious? Tell that to the hostages they took and the families. OMG, I can't believe what I just read.
NO Oct 7th. . .no war in Gaza. Simple and easy.
David Boyle
(242 posts)Just saying.
Redleg
(6,142 posts)not at all.
Redleg
(6,142 posts)the conflict between Palestinians and Israel did not start Oct. 7.
electric_blue68
(18,019 posts)murder IS murder - that fact Netenyahu is a Head of State (vs an organization) that maybe conflates the issue in that poster's opinion.
David Boyle
(242 posts)AllyCat
(17,104 posts)I definitely support Israel and their people.
AZLD4Candidate
(6,285 posts)AllyCat
(17,104 posts)Wish theyd go after Putin too.
David Boyle
(242 posts)Still wondering why Prigozhin, was that his name, didn't drive on into Moscow and remove him. Talk about going only halfway, then he got killed...
ancianita
(38,557 posts)(i) for having committed the acts directly, jointly with others and/or through others (article 25(3)(a) of the Rome Statute), and
(ii) for his failure to exercise control properly over civilian and military subordinates who committed the acts, or allowed for their commission, and who were under his effective authority and control, pursuant to superior responsibility (article 28(b) of the Rome Statute).
https://www.icc-cpi.int/defendant/vladimir-vladimirovich-putin
So are all his military high command: Gerisamov, Shoigu, Sokolov. Kobylash, and some Russian ministers.
David Boyle
(242 posts)They are enemies in some ways, but not wholly unlike each other...
David Boyle
(242 posts)As the saying goes.
David Boyle
(242 posts)otherwise I'd've mentioned it.
David Boyle
(242 posts)The post actually did mention him, I'm now seeing (maybe I didn't scroll down far enough at first,...)
"The court on Thursday also issued a warrant for Hamas official Mohammed Diab Ibrahim Al-Masri, also known as Mohammed Deif, who Israel says was one of the masterminds of the October 7 attack. Israel said it killed him in an airstrike in September but Hamas hasnt confirmed his death."
Glad I finally caught that! (Though Israel claims he's dead anyway)
AZLD4Candidate
(6,285 posts)David Boyle
(242 posts)Sort of like "Weekend at Bernie's" or something.
Richard D
(9,353 posts). . . on Lebanon war. They went on and on about every single thing Israel did in voices of horror and judgment, yet not once did they mention the thousands of rockets and bombs Hezbollah has attacked Israel with, with no provocation, that necessitated Israel taking Hezbollah out. It reeked of antisemitism. We liberals have gone in the wrong direction and are supporting the wrong side.
David Boyle
(242 posts)Am not sure liberals are on wrong side, though.
David Boyle
(242 posts)barbtries
(29,792 posts)and a signal to hope, if the same happened with TCFSF.
one possible charge in my opinion would be the tearing apart of migrant families during his first term. these are Crimes Against Humanity.
and make sure the jewish nazi Miller goes too.
David Boyle
(242 posts)even if he is loathsome. Just saying.
barbtries
(29,792 posts)also i believe it is apt. and disgusting, he is one of the most slimy of all the characters orbiting around the orange disco ball of depravity
David Boyle
(242 posts)even if your term for him is controversial. -- Sorry to hear about your loss, mentioned in your tagline.
barbtries
(29,792 posts)she'd be 44 years old now.
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David Boyle
(242 posts)Thanks for sharing.
AllyCat
(17,104 posts)underpants
(186,651 posts)Traildogbob
(9,981 posts)And Barron will bring peace the middle east then leave with 2 billion from the Saudis.
David Boyle
(242 posts)Vogon_Glory
(9,572 posts)other brutal Middle-eastern and North African heads of state like the Assads of Syria, the people who ran the Sudan, the ghost of Saddam Hussein, etc,
I do not excuse Netanyahu for his actions but I still wonder what. Gaza would be like if Hamas hadnt given Netanyahu a gold-plated excuse to do his worst.
David Boyle
(242 posts)Thanks... "Netanassad"! "Saddamyahu"!
C0RI0LANUS
(1,338 posts)David Boyle
(242 posts)Triple threat!
C0RI0LANUS
(1,338 posts)Russian President Vladimir Putin congratulated President-elect Donald Trump in a speech overnight, saying hes ready to meet and resume relations. (8 Nov 2024)
Source:
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/video/putin-new-world-order-taking-shape-speech-after-115634085
David Boyle
(242 posts)LudwigPastorius
(10,805 posts)David Boyle
(242 posts)onecaliberal
(35,833 posts)David Boyle
(242 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(154,538 posts)Link to tweet
This a is a game changer.
Here's a breakdown of the members:
Most of Africa.
Nearly all of Europe, including the UK, Germany, France, and Italy
Almost all Latin America and the Caribbean including Brazil, Argentina, and Mexico
Asia: Japan, South Korea, and Afghanistan.
Oceania: Australia and New Zealand.
Notable non-members:
- United States
- China
- India
- Russia
Mosby
(17,469 posts)The victim is trying to get an outside group to investigate because of the influence of Khan.
How do you suppose this helps Palestinians?
One of Netanyahus cabinet members thinks they should annex Gaza and WB as a response, that doesn't seem like a good idea.
Have people given any thought about why Israel keeps moving to the right?
David Boyle
(242 posts)Not all Israelis have moved to right, tho...
Israeli
(4,299 posts)C0RI0LANUS
(1,338 posts)AZLD4Candidate
(6,285 posts)David Boyle
(242 posts)Also, David Miliband, Jewish, was the UK Labour party leader for a while, fairly recently.
Israeli
(4,299 posts)Does that look like England to you .
Thats us .
David Boyle
(242 posts)David Boyle
(242 posts)Free speech lives in Israel!
Israeli
(4,299 posts)but its not just Avoda (Labour) that are protesting on the streets , its all across the political spectrum.
Mainly its secular .
BTW Avoda and Meretz have combined into one party now called The Democrats.
See : https://www.ynetnews.com/article/byunvgydc
David Boyle
(242 posts)David Boyle
(242 posts)???
Mosby
(17,469 posts)Israeli leaders from across the political spectrum united to condemn the decision by a three-judge panel of the international criminal court to issue arrest warrants for the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, and the former defence minister Yoav Gallant.
Netanyahus office described the warrants as an antisemitic decision
equivalent to the modern Dreyfus trial, referring to the 1894 trial of a French artillery captain of Jewish descent that has become one of the most prominent examples of antisemitism.
Netanyahu added: Israel rejects with disgust the absurd and false actions and charges against it by the international criminal court, which is a biased and discriminatory political body.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/nov/21/israel-politicians-condemn-icc-arrest-warrants-netanyahu-gallant
David Boyle
(242 posts)"Politics stops at the water's edge", etc.
claudette
(4,493 posts)time.
David Boyle
(242 posts)Though the U.S. gov't doesn't seem happy...
claudette
(4,493 posts)Last edited Thu Nov 21, 2024, 10:49 PM - Edit history (1)
innocent Palestinians are happy
David Boyle
(242 posts)Donkey2
(9 posts)Lucky for us, our side has cancelled the arms deal and denied any more arms to Israel. We are sending more money to the enemies of Israel so they can defend themselves against the Middle East bully. If Trump had not won, our representatives in congress would have made "river to the sea" a done deal and brought peace to the region with Israel gone!
David Boyle
(242 posts)Not sure who your side is.
And if you want Israel to disappear, that may not be very nice.
claudette
(4,493 posts)"gone" from Gaza and the West Bank. You seem to ignore the fact that an arrest warrant was issued for the leader of Hamas, too.
Both killed and are still killing innocents.
David Boyle
(242 posts)re "innocent Palestinians are happy" in your last post, not sure what you meant.
We'll get there tho! Post 100! Woohoo!
AKwannabe
(6,356 posts)David Boyle
(242 posts)David Boyle
(242 posts)"Differing approaches to the court could drive a split between the U.S. and Europe traditional friends already likely to be at odds under a second Trump presidency over matters like trade, Ukraine and climate policy." [etc.]
David Boyle
(242 posts)"Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Friday thanked his Hungarian counterpart Viktor Orbán for his show of moral clarity after inviting him to visit despite an ICC arrest warrant.
Faced with the shameful weakness of those who stood by the outrageous decision against the right of the State of Israel to defend itself, Hungary is standing by the side of justice and truth, Netanyahu said in a statement the day after the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for him and his former defence minister.
Netanyahus office also published what they said was a letter from Orban sent on Friday, in which he said he was shocked to learn of the ICCs shameful move."
howardmappel
(87 posts)70 year old white Jewish male here, went to Hebrew School, was Bar Mitvahed, donated to Israel growing up - NO MORE. I am an American FIRST. NOW, Israel is an apartheid state, the Ultra-Orthodox are racist, misogynistic POS, and Netanyahu and his followers/clique, as well as being ordinary criminals, are war criminals and guilty of crimes against humanity. Just as much as Goering, Goebbels, and Eichmann, and Netanyahu should expect to end up the same way. The phrase "a good Israeli" will end up bearing the same shame as "a good German." And I am afraid that with the incoming American Fuhrer, we will all own the shame of being "a good American," assuming of course that those of us who dare to oppose him might be rounded up.
David Boyle
(242 posts)But Trump is a danger, as you say. Shalom.
David Boyle
(242 posts)"Germany has suggested that it will not arrest Benjamin Netanyahu if he travels to the country because of its Nazi history.
...
A number of European countries, including the UK, have said they will respect the ICCs decision.
But a spokesman for Olaf Scholz, the German chancellor, suggested the country would not carry out such an arrest due to its history and unique relationship with Israel.
...
Guido Crosetto, Italys defence minister, told RAI television on Thursday: We would have to arrest them.
He added that it was not a political choice but that Italy was bound as a member of the ICC to act on the courts warrants."
Interesting.
C0RI0LANUS
(1,338 posts)Hungarian PM Viktor Orban is acting the part of a RW strongman supporting another RW strongman with his defiant invitation of Netanyahu. Life for the Roma of Hungary is described as "hell." Orban may as well as invite Vladimir Putin, Jair Bolsonaro, and Donald Trump for a summit that would be a 21st century "Pact of Blood."
British citizen Karim Khan KC is the ICC prosecutor on assignment at the Hague.
Germany is Israel's most important intelligence partner after the US and both Berlin and Jerusalem enjoy flourishing trade. Israel imports German-made cars, for example. See charts at bottom.
Regarding Italy, their intelligence relationship with Israel has only recently coalesced relative to Germany.
Economically, the Palestinian Territories imported more Israeli products than Italy before the war, but Italy exports oil to Israel.
Importantly, Italy has 1,000 soldiers in UNIFIL who have been endangered several times. Italian peacekeepers were wounded a few months ago by a reported IDF attack which Rome strongly condemned. Yesterday, four Italian soldiers were wounded by rocket fire allegedly fired by Lebanese Hezbollah or their affiliates. UNIFIL is investigating.
Footnote: This weekend Settlers in the West Bank attacked IDF Central Command Major-General Avi Bluth, calling him a "traitor" and "Israel hater."
IDF Major-General Avi Bluth
Sources:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/germany-is-israels-most-important-ally-after-us-says-new-envoy-in-berlin/
https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-country/deu/partner/isr
https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-country/isr/partner/ita
https://www.euronews.com/2024/10/10/italian-pm-meloni-calls-israels-attack-on-unifil-bases-in-lebanon-unacceptable
https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/international/israeli-settlers-attempted-attack-on-senior-army-officer-unifil-attacked-in-lebanon
David Boyle
(242 posts)Thanks!