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David Boyle

(242 posts)
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 07:33 AM Thursday

International Criminal Court issues arrest warrant for Israeli Prime Minister

Source: CNN

The International Criminal Court has issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant over alleged war crimes.

In a statement on Wednesday, the Netherlands-based court said it found “reasonable grounds” to believe that Netanyahu bears criminal responsibility for war crimes including “starvation as a method of warfare” and “the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts.”

It rejected Israel’s challenge of the court’s jurisdiction over the matter.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/21/middleeast/international-criminal-court-issues-arrest-warrant-for-israeli-prime-minister/index.html

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International Criminal Court issues arrest warrant for Israeli Prime Minister (Original Post) David Boyle Thursday OP
I stand with the ICC ck4829 Thursday #1
Many people do, I suspect... David Boyle Thursday #2
There's no question in my mind that he has committed war crimes and I hope he gets justice somehow LymphocyteLover Thursday #3
Curiously enough, David Boyle Thursday #4
Whether you go to that post or not, you can do something David Boyle Thursday #8
Why would "Genocide Joe" ride in to the rescue? Ponietz Thursday #16
He may do nothing David Boyle Thursday #33
Muslims and their apologists tore Joe down and elected Schlump Ponietz Thursday #45
Some Muslims, not all David Boyle Thursday #48
Sufis in Gaza don't live long Ponietz Thursday #53
Recognizing Palestine, not Hamas David Boyle Thursday #56
You can't recognize Palestine as sovereign and at the same time try to supplant it's elected government Ponietz Thursday #58
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Thursday #62
There is no elected government in the West Bank or Gaza. Mosby Thursday #63
Wrong. 2006 when Hamas won. Then there hasn't been one since because Hamas got the result they wanted AZLD4Candidate Thursday #68
hamas is their elected government. They elected terrorists and celebrated Oct 7th on the streets AZLD4Candidate Thursday #69
And nary a peep calling for new elections Ponietz Thursday #72
look at the map. Gaza swept Hamas into power. Look at all that dark green. AZLD4Candidate Thursday #76
Could be the other way around David Boyle Thursday #78
Terrorist fuckwits don't deserve respect Ponietz Thursday #86
Hamas aren't nice people David Boyle Thursday #89
Hamas won the '06 legislative election by a plurality Mosby Thursday #87
There has been a lot of discord David Boyle Thursday #88
What are we supposed to be like the republicans now? Eko Thursday #93
I sure hopes so... David Boyle Thursday #96
Yes, and in doing so they got militant Christian Israel supporter Huckabee as Israeli Ambassador. /nt artemisia1 Yesterday #101
Surprise! David Boyle Yesterday #102
so then what happens Hieronymus Phact Thursday #17
Good question David Boyle Thursday #31
Netanyahu's history as prime minister is long and complicated.... Joinfortmill Thursday #5
Complicated, all right David Boyle Thursday #7
He helped foment the atmosphere that got Rabin assasinated so eff him from back then. electric_blue68 Thursday #66
I remember that David Boyle Thursday #80
She refused to acknowledge him Israeli 22 hrs ago #108
Nice music video that you link to David Boyle 22 hrs ago #109
its an answer to someone on here Israeli 22 hrs ago #111
Glad you answered! David Boyle 17 hrs ago #115
Yup Israeli 22 hrs ago #107
Whoops, didn't notice this David Boyle Thursday #6
Official ICC Statement on the Arrest Warrants C0RI0LANUS Thursday #9
Nice pic David Boyle Thursday #30
Yet terrorists like Hamas get a pass from the ICC. Sorry, F them and the Hamas coddling UN. AZLD4Candidate Thursday #70
But the maybe-dead Hamas guy did get mentioned by ICC David Boyle Thursday #85
Not true. Eko Thursday #94
And yet hamas leaders get nothing. smh. AZLD4Candidate Thursday #10
Arrest warrants were also issued for Hamas leaders, two of whom have already been killed by Israel. Lonestarblue Thursday #11
barely makes the news. there were two posts here about the icc against bibi. AZLD4Candidate Thursday #12
Disliking Netanyahu doesn't necessarily make one a bigot against Jews Redleg Thursday #14
I don't trust anything Europe does when it comes to Jews, not given their history with Jews. AZLD4Candidate Thursday #19
Not all Europeans are bad David Boyle Thursday #25
That doesn't sound biased againt Europeans Redleg Thursday #27
Heh David Boyle Thursday #37
Not that simple Redleg Thursday #29
No doubt: no 10/7, no Gaza war. I want both Bibi, AND Hamas leaders held responsible equally. I'm also thinking while... electric_blue68 Thursday #67
Good to hold everyone responsible David Boyle Thursday #84
BiBi is a monster. I don't support him. AllyCat Thursday #18
Agreed, but the ICC will pursue him harder than the hamas terrorist that started this shit on Oct 7th. AZLD4Candidate Thursday #20
You are probably right unfortunately. AllyCat Thursday #21
May happen one day... David Boyle Thursday #23
The I.C.C. has gone after Putin and found him guilty of war crimes under the the Rome Statute. ancianita Thursday #54
"'Putinyahu" David Boyle Thursday #57
Am Yisroel Chai! David Boyle Thursday #24
The post I cited didn't mention the Hamas leader, David Boyle Thursday #26
Correction David Boyle Thursday #50
Bibi's indictment makes the headline. . .hamas is an afterthought. Yes, the media isn't biased. AZLD4Candidate Thursday #65
Well, the Hamas guy may be dead David Boyle Thursday #83
I listened to an NPR piece . . . Richard D Thursday #95
NPR should've reported Hezbollah violence David Boyle Thursday #98
Thanks for clarification David Boyle Thursday #38
It would be lovely barbtries Thursday #13
Would not call him "Jewish Nazi" per se, David Boyle Thursday #22
it such a contradiction in terms. barbtries Thursday #39
Well, he is unpleasant, David Boyle Thursday #40
Thank you. barbtries Thursday #41
Lovely pic/person David Boyle Thursday #42
Good. AllyCat Thursday #15
Exactly 👍 underpants Thursday #28
Huckabee will bring them all together with love. Traildogbob Thursday #32
HAW HAW!!! David Boyle Thursday #35
And so Netanyahu takes his place among Vogon_Glory Thursday #34
A balanced post David Boyle Thursday #36
Please meet Mr. Vladimir Trump Netanyahu C0RI0LANUS Thursday #43
Eeeeee David Boyle Thursday #44
This triple threat is the New World Order (not the band) with Elon Musk facilitating and cleaning up the poop. C0RI0LANUS Thursday #46
FAB cartoonz! David Boyle Thursday #47
Aww, no more jaunts across the Continent, Benny. LudwigPastorius Thursday #49
Pore fella David Boyle Thursday #51
Go arrest him. onecaliberal Thursday #52
He may not travel to Holland though... David Boyle Thursday #55
ALL 123 members of the ICC-- including nearly all of Europe, are now LEGALLY OBLIGED to ARREST Netanyahu and Gallant LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #59
The ICC prosecutor sexually harassed an aid. Mosby Thursday #61
If harassment happened, bad David Boyle Thursday #73
Not by a long shot Israeli 22 hrs ago #110
Tens of thousands of our Labor Party brethren applaud the ICC arrest warrant against the Crime Minister. C0RI0LANUS Thursday #64
The same England that expelled Jews from their country for 300 years doesn't like Israel? I'm shocked. AZLD4Candidate Thursday #71
May be Israeli Labor party? not UK Labour party, see fotos David Boyle Thursday #81
Are you blind ? Israeli 22 hrs ago #112
Heh David Boyle 17 hrs ago #116
Great fotos David Boyle Thursday #74
Thanks for the pics Israeli 21 hrs ago #113
Thanks for political update David Boyle 17 hrs ago #114
But will it happen? David Boyle Thursday #82
All they did was unite Israelis Mosby Thursday #60
Well, they might look "weak" if they didn't David Boyle Thursday #75
It's about claudette Thursday #77
One could say... David Boyle Thursday #79
I'm thinking claudette Thursday #92
Did you complete this thought? David Boyle Thursday #97
Put the war criminal in Jail! Donkey2 Thursday #90
Your post confuses me David Boyle Thursday #91
I think it was claudette Thursday #99
Thanks for answer, tho David Boyle Thursday #100
Lemme rec this! nt AKwannabe Yesterday #103
I can't stop you! David Boyle Yesterday #104
"The ICC Warrants Over Gaza Are A Warning For The U.S., Too" in HuffPost David Boyle 23 hrs ago #105
"Netanyahu thanks Orbn for invite after ICC warrant, saying Hungary on 'side of justice and truth'", in the Guardian David Boyle 23 hrs ago #106
Good howardmappel 15 hrs ago #117
I may have more faith in Israel than you do David Boyle 14 hrs ago #118
"Germany won't arrest Netanyahu 'because of its Nazi history'"...but, Italy David Boyle 2 hrs ago #119
Economics and intelligence cooperation are major factors in this ICC EU quandary. C0RI0LANUS 1 hr ago #120
Incredible info! David Boyle 29 min ago #121

David Boyle

(242 posts)
8. Whether you go to that post or not, you can do something
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 08:29 AM
Thursday

See the June 2024 David Hoffman The Hill article, "US recognition of a Palestinian state could change everything", at https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4718181-us-recognition-of-a-palestinian-state-could-change-everything/ , saying that if

"the United States were to recognize a Palestinian state, it would be a political tsunami that would likely topple Netanyahu’s extremist government, as a majority of Israelis are clamoring for... With a likely cease fire, the return of hostages, and prospects of a regional rapprochement between Israel and Saudi Arabia... It would be the bold, decisive act that would secure President Biden’s place in history."

So, here are links for you to contact Joe Biden and Kamala Harris:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/share/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/vicepresident/

Here's even a short template for you (tweak as you will):

"Dear President Biden [or Vice President Harris], please have the White House immediately officially recognize the State of Palestine, as the Vatican did in 2015. This may help bring justice for Palestine, relieve Israel of the burden of occupation, and create goodwill for America leading to the release of the seven U.S. hostages, and hopefully all hostages, in Gaza. You would be courageous and right to create Mideast justice and get back our hostages now, rather than leave it to Donald Trump's questionable competence.
Thank you,
Sincerely, [you]"

Ponietz

(3,305 posts)
16. Why would "Genocide Joe" ride in to the rescue?
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 10:23 AM
Thursday

That’s what protesters called him. They hurt the Democratic Party in the election. Too many Muslims and Gen Z voted for Schlump.

Ya spins the wheel ya takes your chances.

Ponietz

(3,305 posts)
45. Muslims and their apologists tore Joe down and elected Schlump
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 02:17 PM
Thursday

As if Joe hadn’t worked non-stop for a ceasefire and sufficient humanitarian aid. Unfortunately, the Gaza pier didn’t work.

Hamas could release the hostages and end this today, but the fuckwits won’t renounce violence.13 months later still hiding under baby diapers and women’s skirts. It’s Hamas’ responsibility to see to the well-being of their people but they steal any aid coming in. Fuckwits is an understatement. Newsflash: Islam is not a religion of peace. I don’t want Biden to recognize a terrorist State. That’s insane.

Dance with who brung ya now.

David Boyle

(242 posts)
48. Some Muslims, not all
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 02:38 PM
Thursday

Hamas are terrible people, but not all Palestinians are Hamas.

Islam has different elements (Sufis, etc.), just as Xianity produced MLK, but also... Mike Huckabee.

Ponietz

(3,305 posts)
53. Sufis in Gaza don't live long
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 03:15 PM
Thursday

[link:https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-739943]

Palestinian human rights organizations have called for an investigation into the circumstances surrounding the death of a Palestinian man in a Hamas detention center in the Gaza Strip.
Mohammed al-Sufi, a 43-year-old Muslim preacher from Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip, died hours after he was detained by Hamas police officers last Wednesday.
Sources in the Gaza Strip said Sufi was known for his criticism of Hamas leaders and their ties to Iran. The sources said that in recent sermons he criticized Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar and other Hamas leaders for boasting of their close relations with Iran.
Sufi’s family said he was detained shortly after his return to the Gaza Strip from Egypt, together with his son Abdullah.


And you want the U.S. to recognize these degenerates. That’s idiotic.

David Boyle

(242 posts)
56. Recognizing Palestine, not Hamas
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 03:31 PM
Thursday

One of these things is not (wholly) like the other!

As not all Israelis are Netanyahu...

Ponietz

(3,305 posts)
58. You can't recognize Palestine as sovereign and at the same time try to supplant it's elected government
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 04:06 PM
Thursday

Doh!

SMDH
Unbelievable

Response to Ponietz (Reply #58)

Ponietz

(3,305 posts)
72. And nary a peep calling for new elections
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 08:10 PM
Thursday

If Palestinians in Gaza protested Hamas to the degree they’ve gone after Biden in the U.S. this crises would be over.

Elected or not, recognize Palestine only when a stable, civilized government (one that renounces violence) is in control.

David Boyle

(242 posts)
78. Could be the other way around
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 08:42 PM
Thursday

If Palestinians have world respect, some of them may be less desperate and extreme.

Ponietz

(3,305 posts)
86. Terrorist fuckwits don't deserve respect
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 09:01 PM
Thursday

The ball is in their court. Hamas is in charge. Renouncing violence and returning the hostages is the only way. They learned nothing from Gandhi, Mandela, or King. Their playbook calls for the destruction of Israel.

Founded as an offshoot of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. Its 1988 founding charter, steeped in Sunnī Islamist rhetoric, calls for jihad to take all of historical Palestine, resulting in the destruction of the State of Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_extremism]

David Boyle

(242 posts)
89. Hamas aren't nice people
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 09:04 PM
Thursday

I agree they should renounce the desire to destroy Israel.

Yes, they could learn from MLK et al.

Mosby

(17,469 posts)
87. Hamas won the '06 legislative election by a plurality
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 09:01 PM
Thursday

That didn't give them the right to remove by force the PA from Gaza.

Abbas’s term ended 15 years ago or so.

I don't believe we will ever see any more elections in the territories, when Abbas dies I think a civil war will break out amongst the clans, fighting for control of Fatah.

There is so much antisemitism in the UN I wouldn't be surprised if they vote to "create" a Palestinian country, but it's won't have any legitimacy, because it will represent just another attempt to ignore UNSCR 242/338.

Eko

(8,492 posts)
93. What are we supposed to be like the republicans now?
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 09:41 PM
Thursday

If someone doesn't vote for us they are our enemies? Fuck them and the horse they rode in on? Joe's not like that fortunately. He does things because he thinks they are right to do.

artemisia1

(786 posts)
101. Yes, and in doing so they got militant Christian Israel supporter Huckabee as Israeli Ambassador. /nt
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 01:27 AM
Yesterday

Joinfortmill

(16,406 posts)
5. Netanyahu's history as prime minister is long and complicated....
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 08:06 AM
Thursday
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu

'Benjamin Netanyahu[a] (born 21 October 1949) is an Israeli politician, serving as the prime minister of Israel since 2022, having previously held the office from 1996 to 1999 and from 2009 to 2021.[3] He is chair of the Likud party. Netanyahu is the longest-serving prime minister in Israel's history, having served a total of over 17 years.'

Israeli

(4,299 posts)
111. its an answer to someone on here
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 09:09 AM
22 hrs ago

that told me I should leave my country of birth as if I had anywhere
else to go to ......he doesnt like my Left wing politics .
Not all of us have dual citizenship
Its also a battle cry for those of us on the streets .

C0RI0LANUS

(1,338 posts)
9. Official ICC Statement on the Arrest Warrants
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 08:38 AM
Thursday

The ICC did not provide the arrest warrant as a public-facing document, but issued the following statement:

"The Chamber issued warrants of arrest for two individuals, Mr. Benjamin Netanyahu and Mr. Yoav Gallant, for crimes against humanity and war crimes committed from at least 8 October 2023 until at least 20 May 2024, the day the Prosecution filed the applications for warrants of arrest."

"The arrest warrants are classified as ‘secret’, in order to protect witnesses and to safeguard the conduct of the investigations."

Any nation that is a signatory to the ICC has an obligation to execute these arrest warrants.

The US, India, Indonesia, and China are not state parties to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (Rome Statute),[1] which founded the ICC in 2002.

These two PIFWCs can therefore safely travel to those four countries without fear of being detained.

Nota Bene: SC Jack Smith completed an assignment at the ICC prosecuting PIFWCs (Persons Indicted For War Crimes) before investigating #45.

Sources:

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-state-palestine-icc-pre-trial-chamber-i-rejects-state-israels-challenges

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Criminal_Court







Eko

(8,492 posts)
94. Not true.
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 09:45 PM
Thursday

Judges at the International Criminal Court (ICC) have issued arrest warrants for Israel’s prime minister and former defence minister, as well as the military commander of Hamas.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly2exvx944o

AZLD4Candidate

(6,285 posts)
12. barely makes the news. there were two posts here about the icc against bibi.
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 09:00 AM
Thursday

I know why. it's because of that star on the Israeli flag.

Again, we Jews are always held to a double standard.

We get attacked, we caused it.
We fight back, we're wrong.

And antisemitism is the only bigotry that routinely gets dismissed.

Redleg

(6,142 posts)
14. Disliking Netanyahu doesn't necessarily make one a bigot against Jews
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 10:11 AM
Thursday

It seems to me, in this case, that indictments for the leader of a nation state is a more serious act than indictments against known terrorists.

I don't deny that there is anti-Jewish bias in many places- I just don't see this particular instance as an example of it.

AZLD4Candidate

(6,285 posts)
19. I don't trust anything Europe does when it comes to Jews, not given their history with Jews.
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 10:54 AM
Thursday

Murder is murder. Terrorist murders are less serious? Tell that to the hostages they took and the families. OMG, I can't believe what I just read.

NO Oct 7th. . .no war in Gaza. Simple and easy.

electric_blue68

(18,019 posts)
67. No doubt: no 10/7, no Gaza war. I want both Bibi, AND Hamas leaders held responsible equally. I'm also thinking while...
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 07:55 PM
Thursday

murder IS murder - that fact Netenyahu is a Head of State (vs an organization) that maybe conflates the issue in that poster's opinion.

AZLD4Candidate

(6,285 posts)
20. Agreed, but the ICC will pursue him harder than the hamas terrorist that started this shit on Oct 7th.
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 10:55 AM
Thursday

David Boyle

(242 posts)
23. May happen one day...
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 12:54 PM
Thursday

Still wondering why Prigozhin, was that his name, didn't drive on into Moscow and remove him. Talk about going only halfway, then he got killed...

ancianita

(38,557 posts)
54. The I.C.C. has gone after Putin and found him guilty of war crimes under the the Rome Statute.
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 03:15 PM
Thursday
Mr Putin bears individual criminal responsibility for the aforementioned crimes,
(i) for having committed the acts directly, jointly with others and/or through others (article 25(3)(a) of the Rome Statute), and
(ii) for his failure to exercise control properly over civilian and military subordinates who committed the acts, or allowed for their commission, and who were under his effective authority and control, pursuant to superior responsibility (article 28(b) of the Rome Statute).


https://www.icc-cpi.int/defendant/vladimir-vladimirovich-putin

So are all his military high command: Gerisamov, Shoigu, Sokolov. Kobylash, and some Russian ministers.

David Boyle

(242 posts)
50. Correction
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 03:02 PM
Thursday

The post actually did mention him, I'm now seeing (maybe I didn't scroll down far enough at first,...)

"The court on Thursday also issued a warrant for Hamas official Mohammed Diab Ibrahim Al-Masri, also known as Mohammed Deif, who Israel says was one of the masterminds of the October 7 attack. Israel said it killed him in an airstrike in September but Hamas hasn’t confirmed his death."

Glad I finally caught that! (Though Israel claims he's dead anyway)

Richard D

(9,353 posts)
95. I listened to an NPR piece . . .
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 09:51 PM
Thursday

. . . on Lebanon war. They went on and on about every single thing Israel did in voices of horror and judgment, yet not once did they mention the thousands of rockets and bombs Hezbollah has attacked Israel with, with no provocation, that necessitated Israel taking Hezbollah out. It reeked of antisemitism. We liberals have gone in the wrong direction and are supporting the wrong side.

barbtries

(29,792 posts)
13. It would be lovely
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 09:47 AM
Thursday

and a signal to hope, if the same happened with TCFSF.

one possible charge in my opinion would be the tearing apart of migrant families during his first term. these are Crimes Against Humanity.

and make sure the jewish nazi Miller goes too.

barbtries

(29,792 posts)
39. it such a contradiction in terms.
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 01:24 PM
Thursday

also i believe it is apt. and disgusting, he is one of the most slimy of all the characters orbiting around the orange disco ball of depravity

David Boyle

(242 posts)
40. Well, he is unpleasant,
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 01:26 PM
Thursday

even if your term for him is controversial. -- Sorry to hear about your loss, mentioned in your tagline.

Traildogbob

(9,981 posts)
32. Huckabee will bring them all together with love.
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 01:01 PM
Thursday

And Barron will bring peace the middle east then leave with 2 billion from the Saudis.

Vogon_Glory

(9,572 posts)
34. And so Netanyahu takes his place among
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 01:04 PM
Thursday

other brutal Middle-eastern and North African heads of state like the Assads of Syria, the people who ran the Sudan, the ghost of Saddam Hussein, etc,

I do not excuse Netanyahu for his actions but I still wonder what. Gaza would be like if Hamas hadn’t given Netanyahu a gold-plated excuse to do his worst.

C0RI0LANUS

(1,338 posts)
46. This triple threat is the New World Order (not the band) with Elon Musk facilitating and cleaning up the poop.
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 02:32 PM
Thursday
"Putin Says ‘New World Order’ Taking Shape After Trump Win



Russian President Vladimir Putin congratulated President-elect Donald Trump in a speech overnight, saying he’s ready to meet and resume relations. (8 Nov 2024)

Source:

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/video/putin-new-world-order-taking-shape-speech-after-115634085





LetMyPeopleVote

(154,538 posts)
59. ALL 123 members of the ICC-- including nearly all of Europe, are now LEGALLY OBLIGED to ARREST Netanyahu and Gallant
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 04:38 PM
Thursday



ALL 123 members of the ICC— including nearly all of Europe, are now LEGALLY OBLIGED to ARREST Netanyahu and Gallant if they set foot on their territory.

This a is a game changer.

Here's a breakdown of the members:

—Most of Africa.

—Nearly all of Europe, including the UK, Germany, France, and Italy

—Almost all Latin America and the Caribbean including Brazil, Argentina, and Mexico

—Asia: Japan, South Korea, and Afghanistan.

—Oceania: Australia and New Zealand.

Notable non-members:
- United States
- China
- India
- Russia

Mosby

(17,469 posts)
61. The ICC prosecutor sexually harassed an aid.
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 04:51 PM
Thursday

The victim is trying to get an outside group to investigate because of the influence of Khan.

How do you suppose this helps Palestinians?

One of Netanyahus cabinet members thinks they should annex Gaza and WB as a response, that doesn't seem like a good idea.

Have people given any thought about why Israel keeps moving to the right?

David Boyle

(242 posts)
81. May be Israeli Labor party? not UK Labour party, see fotos
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 08:48 PM
Thursday

Also, David Miliband, Jewish, was the UK Labour party leader for a while, fairly recently.

Israeli

(4,299 posts)
113. Thanks for the pics
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 10:02 AM
21 hrs ago

but its not just Avoda (Labour) that are protesting on the streets , its all across the political spectrum.
Mainly its secular .
BTW Avoda and Meretz have combined into one party now called The Democrats.

See : https://www.ynetnews.com/article/byunvgydc

Mosby

(17,469 posts)
60. All they did was unite Israelis
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 04:43 PM
Thursday

Israeli leaders from across the political spectrum united to condemn the decision by a three-judge panel of the international criminal court to issue arrest warrants for the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, and the former defence minister Yoav Gallant.

Netanyahu’s office described the warrants as “an antisemitic decision … equivalent to the modern Dreyfus trial”, referring to the 1894 trial of a French artillery captain of Jewish descent that has become one of the most prominent examples of antisemitism.

Netanyahu added: “Israel rejects with disgust the absurd and false actions and charges against it by the international criminal court, which is a biased and discriminatory political body.”

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/nov/21/israel-politicians-condemn-icc-arrest-warrants-netanyahu-gallant

Donkey2

(9 posts)
90. Put the war criminal in Jail!
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 09:09 PM
Thursday

Lucky for us, our side has cancelled the arms deal and denied any more arms to Israel. We are sending more money to the enemies of Israel so they can defend themselves against the Middle East bully. If Trump had not won, our representatives in congress would have made "river to the sea" a done deal and brought peace to the region with Israel gone!

David Boyle

(242 posts)
91. Your post confuses me
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 09:15 PM
Thursday

Not sure who your side is.

And if you want Israel to disappear, that may not be very nice.

claudette

(4,493 posts)
99. I think it was
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 10:51 PM
Thursday

"gone" from Gaza and the West Bank. You seem to ignore the fact that an arrest warrant was issued for the leader of Hamas, too.
Both killed and are still killing innocents.

David Boyle

(242 posts)
100. Thanks for answer, tho
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 11:20 PM
Thursday

re "innocent Palestinians are happy" in your last post, not sure what you meant.

We'll get there tho! Post 100! Woohoo!

David Boyle

(242 posts)
105. "The ICC Warrants Over Gaza Are A Warning For The U.S., Too" in HuffPost
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 08:26 AM
23 hrs ago
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/icc-biden-trump-israel-gaza_n_673f8f64e4b0fc93e3d12a55

"Differing approaches to the court could drive a split between the U.S. and Europe — traditional friends already likely to be at odds under a second Trump presidency over matters like trade, Ukraine and climate policy." [etc.]

David Boyle

(242 posts)
106. "Netanyahu thanks Orbn for invite after ICC warrant, saying Hungary on 'side of justice and truth'", in the Guardian
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 08:29 AM
23 hrs ago
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/22/benjamin-netanyahu-icc-yoav-gallant-mohammed-deif-israel-gaza

"Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Friday thanked his Hungarian counterpart Viktor Orbán for his show of “moral clarity” after inviting him to visit despite an ICC arrest warrant.

“Faced with the shameful weakness of those who stood by the outrageous decision against the right of the State of Israel to defend itself, Hungary” is “standing by the side of justice and truth”, Netanyahu said in a statement the day after the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for him and his former defence minister.

Netanyahu’s office also published what they said was a letter from Orban sent on Friday, in which he said he was shocked to learn of the ICC’s “shameful” move."

howardmappel

(87 posts)
117. Good
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 04:28 PM
15 hrs ago

70 year old white Jewish male here, went to Hebrew School, was Bar Mitvahed, donated to Israel growing up - NO MORE. I am an American FIRST. NOW, Israel is an apartheid state, the Ultra-Orthodox are racist, misogynistic POS, and Netanyahu and his followers/clique, as well as being ordinary criminals, are war criminals and guilty of crimes against humanity. Just as much as Goering, Goebbels, and Eichmann, and Netanyahu should expect to end up the same way. The phrase "a good Israeli" will end up bearing the same shame as "a good German." And I am afraid that with the incoming American Fuhrer, we will all own the shame of being "a good American," assuming of course that those of us who dare to oppose him might be rounded up.

David Boyle

(242 posts)
119. "Germany won't arrest Netanyahu 'because of its Nazi history'"...but, Italy
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 04:47 AM
2 hrs ago
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/22/germany-wont-arrest-netanyahu-nazi-history/

"Germany has suggested that it will not arrest Benjamin Netanyahu if he travels to the country because of its Nazi history.

...

A number of European countries, including the UK, have said they will respect the ICC’s decision.

But a spokesman for Olaf Scholz, the German chancellor, suggested the country would not carry out such an arrest due to its history and unique relationship with Israel.

...

Guido Crosetto, Italy’s defence minister, told RAI television on Thursday: “We would have to arrest them.”

He added that it was not a political choice but that Italy was bound as a member of the ICC to act on the court’s warrants."

Interesting.

C0RI0LANUS

(1,338 posts)
120. Economics and intelligence cooperation are major factors in this ICC EU quandary.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 06:24 AM
1 hr ago

Hungarian PM Viktor Orban is acting the part of a RW strongman supporting another RW strongman with his defiant invitation of Netanyahu. Life for the Roma of Hungary is described as "hell." Orban may as well as invite Vladimir Putin, Jair Bolsonaro, and Donald Trump for a summit that would be a 21st century "Pact of Blood."

British citizen Karim Khan KC is the ICC prosecutor on assignment at the Hague.

Germany is Israel's most important intelligence partner after the US and both Berlin and Jerusalem enjoy flourishing trade. Israel imports German-made cars, for example. See charts at bottom.

Regarding Italy, their intelligence relationship with Israel has only recently coalesced relative to Germany.

Economically, the Palestinian Territories imported more Israeli products than Italy before the war, but Italy exports oil to Israel.

Importantly, Italy has 1,000 soldiers in UNIFIL who have been endangered several times. Italian peacekeepers were wounded a few months ago by a reported IDF attack which Rome strongly condemned. Yesterday, four Italian soldiers were wounded by rocket fire allegedly fired by Lebanese Hezbollah or their affiliates. UNIFIL is investigating.

Footnote: This weekend Settlers in the West Bank attacked IDF Central Command Major-General Avi Bluth, calling him a "traitor" and "Israel hater."


IDF Major-General Avi Bluth




Sources:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/germany-is-israels-most-important-ally-after-us-says-new-envoy-in-berlin/

https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-country/deu/partner/isr

https://oec.world/en/profile/bilateral-country/isr/partner/ita

https://www.euronews.com/2024/10/10/italian-pm-meloni-calls-israels-attack-on-unifil-bases-in-lebanon-unacceptable

https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/international/israeli-settlers-attempted-attack-on-senior-army-officer-unifil-attacked-in-lebanon

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