Donald Trump Pardon Supported by Top Democrat

[David Boyle]

Source: Newsweek

Democratic Rep. James Clyburn has said he supports President Joe Biden pardoning Donald Trump.
...

Clyburn on CNN said he agrees with Senator Joe Manchin, an independent, about Biden pardoning Trump of the charges in the federal cases.
...

Asked if he would support the pardon, Clyburn said: "Yes, I could, absolutely. Because the Supreme Court has pretty much made it very clear, that he is preemptively pardoned of anything he may do as president."

Newsweek has contacted the White house for comment via email outside of normal working hours.

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-pardon-democrat-rep-jim-clyburn-joe-biden-1995246

[C Moon]

1. :/

[David Boyle]

2. That's one way to put it

[David Boyle]

35. Oh, and: contact info; my other post on this

https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/share/

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219786740

[AZ8theist]

3. FUCK THAT

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I am about to leave the party due to cowardly acts of certain so-called members.

Pardon a CONVICTED FELON and TREASONOUS ASSHOLE?????????????

Comments like Clyburns will relegate the party to irrelavance sooner rather than later.

[FBaggins]

15. To be fair...

… CONVICTED FELONs are who pardons normally go to.

[choie]

20. I am with you

I am more than disgusted by this cowardice. It would be more than cowardice, it would be complicity.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

24. You're about to leave the party? Where ya gonna go?

Greens?

Yeah, sometimes Dems suck. But they tend to suck way less than the others.

Hang in there.

[Cha]

97. Yeah, I was going to say.. There's way More Good

than Weirdness in the Democratic Party.

Fight from Within to Make it Stronger to Fight Fascism!!

[David Boyle]

103. Whoooooo

[David Boyle]

25. Cyburn, heh

On my other thread about this, I compare him to Qyburn from Game of Thrones!

[Jit423]

140. Is it me, or are folks just reading the immunity ruling wrongly and giving Trump a pass at everything when it does not

men everything? I just believe that puts Trump above the law unless what he does is actually and specifically related to his Presidential authorities as described in the Constitution. I just do not buy that Trump could shoot someone and 5th Ave for a reason not related to national security or some other crime and Trump would be immune from prosecution.

If that is the case, we need to change our form of government and our justice system completely. SCOTUS has no real meaning except to protect the President and there is no law.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

141. You (and I) are correct, it was supposed to mean things done while performing presidential duties - last time

I checked inciting an insurrection was not generally thought of as something as a president does - but we're living in some crazy world /alt universe where these things are now OK.

[David Boyle]

144. Multiverse of Matt Gaetz

Or something.

[Rebl2]

145. Absolutely

[electric_blue68]

4. While I reserve the right to change my mind; Oh, HELL NO!

Traitorous Inserectionist!!!

[David Boyle]

26. 5-nuke post

!!!!!

[electric_blue68]

89. Well, the man's a horror show. And we're about to get "Season 2"!

[tornado34jh]

5. What? Are you an idiot Clyburn?

No way should that bastard Trump be pardoned. Serious question, has he been compromised by money? I would like to know if he was paid to say that.

[Karma13612]

6. WTAF

Clyburn?
I’m disappointed in him. And quite surprised.

First off, he does his constituents no favors by his lazy interpretation of what SCOTUS said. They only ruled on OFFICIAL ACTS. Yea, it’s soooo hard (eyes rolling) to distinguish between official and unofficial acts. GMFB. The devil is in the details. We need to push back and make sure P-EINO is held accountable for his UNOFFICIAL acts.

Does Clyburn think that the country will heal if Biden kisses P-EINO’s feet with a pardon. After the election we just had? With the future we are about to endure? I know a narcissist. You do not pardon them. THAT emboldens them. That is the LAST thing you want to do.

The cognitive dissonance is deafening right now.

[David Boyle]

43. Yes, official/unofficial distinction

Thanks for that.

[Karma13612]

146. Sorry I didn't come back to you sooner!

I haven’t been checking my political forums as often lately. So glad you agree with me!

Stay strong!

[David Boyle]

147. Tryin'!

[SamKnause]

7. WTF ???

The Democratic party can be so disappointing at times.

[David Boyle]

28. "Disappointment Dems"

Sort of like "Heartbreak Hotel"!

[Lonestarblue]

8. My first reaction was no way in hell.

But, here’s a counter thought. Trump and Republicans have been claiming that the prosecutions were political and Trump had committed no crimes. If President Biden pardons him specifically for the crime of insurrection, document theft, and whatever else Jack Smith charged him with, could that communicate that Trump indeed committed crimes for which a pardon was granted?

In reality, Trump will now never be held accountable for his crimes. Does a pardon go on his historical record as a black mark?

[choie]

18. The fact that he won't be held accountable

is irrelevant and does not signify that he’s guilty. It would signify to many in this country that trump was right and the prosecutions were political and not based in law.

I cannot believe that Clyburn is suggesting this. It is obscene.

[travelingthrulife]

52. He will say he was exonerated like he has done all the other times.

[FalloutShelter]

60. You have a point

I was under the impression that accepting a pardon was an admission of guilt.

Would that admission + the pardon free Jack Smith of any restriction on the release of everything he has? Wouldn’t it also hold harmless the J-6 Committee, because of the admission of guilt?

Just wondering if Joe is exploring this as the one real way to keep TSF from exacting revenge.

Worth a ponder.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

85. Accepting a pardon is NOT an admission of guilt.

[FalloutShelter]

88. This is still being debated...

the Supreme Court's opinion stated that a pardon carries "an imputation of guilt and acceptance of a confession of it,"

[Bernardo de La Paz]

9. Clyburn is folding in advance, giving up based on presumptions. He is wrong

This is a big tactic of fascists: get people so afraid that they fold in advance without the fascists actually moving on them.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

27. Never obey in advance

Clyburn. Wtf

[FM123]

74. Exactly.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

10. Ford's pardon of Nixon enabled tRump. Not again. . . . nt

[RandiFan1290]

11. If they want to keep losing this would be the way. nt

[MaineBlueBear]

12. This operates as if tRump would accept

A pardon. He defies all norms. Rejecting a pardon would be on-brand because of the admission of guilt that accompanies all pardons

It would do nothing to deter future crimes, yet to be committed. He's been given free reign by the Supreme Court.

[FBaggins]

17. He doesn't have to accept/reject it

The president can’t say “special limited-time offer! Must accept by Christmas or void”

Trump could just say that he appreciates the thought but has not need for it… and then sit it on a shelf until someone tries to prosecute him in four years.

And, of course, he can always pardon himself.

[choie]

19. So let him pardon himself

We don’t have to be a party to it. I just can’t believe what I’m hearing.

[MaineBlueBear]

96. I suspect he pardoned himself in 2021

And shelved it. Turns out he didn't need it

[David Boyle]

105. !

[ramedy]

13. This exactly why Democrats lose.

Fold their cards. Act like weaklings.

Getting harder and harder to support.

[Hotler]

14. Fascist sympathizers crawling out from under their desk. Where is the resistance to fascism from our team??????

I'm tired of losing because of lake of fight.

[Vinca]

16. OMG - elected Democrats are going into mega-kumbaya mode. NO! NO PARDONS FOR TRUMP!

Trump's a criminal and has been all his life. One of the first stories Mary Trump mentioned in her book was when Trump was a little boy and pelted a toddler in a playpen with stones. No pardons!!!!!

[Icanthinkformyself]

21. Tired of all of the

Neville Chamberlains in the Democratic Party. Appeasing dictators never keeps people out of camps. I, for one, have had enough of spineless Democratic leadership. I know many others have as well. The sooner the system collapses, and it will, the sooner we can start to rebuild.

[moniss]

22. Yes and I have little doubt that Clyburn and Manchin

would be in favor of a declaration for Richard Nixon as a national hero and maybe a billion dollars or so set aside for the purpose of "re-educating" the people and have required classroom programs to inform people about what a wonderful man he was.

[everyonematters]

23. As I understand it, Trump is immune from official acts.

That means that a court has to discern whether his actions were official acts of government or not. If not, then he can be prosecuted. The left-wing media has blown this out of proportion, and Clyburn has bought into it.

[returnee]

29. I can't say what I think should happen...

…to Manchin and Clyburn, and anyone else advocating a TSF pardon. Suffice it to say it would be really bad. Such an action would split the Democratic Party, I am sure.

[lark]

30. NO times a million!!!

Do not normalize treachery, hate, and lies - tsf is a criminal and deserves to be in jail right now and would be if Garland wasn't his bought and paid agent or failing that a completely idiotic person who cares nothing for America and only his own fake purity.

[LymphocyteLover]

31. WHY THE FUCK WOULD HE SAY THIS??

[Mike 03]

77. That's what I want to know.

Like most everyone else, my gut reaction was harsh and immediate. No.

But Clyburn, we are often reminded, is a "legend." What is his calculus? How does he benefit from Biden granting pardons to Trump?

I have to work so hard to arrive at some justification for a pardon for Trump: Only if Joe Biden gets something enormous, gargantuan and vast in return? Like Trump's promise not to take vengeance against these 450 some odd folks...?

But we all know Trump's promises are worthless.

If this is just a "go along to get along" strategy by Clyburn I totally oppose it!

[Quanto Magnus]

90. 'Legend' or not....

he can still make bad, even horrible choices.....

Just like RBG and her bad decision to stay on the court longer than she should've, giving Trump a SC pick, that could've rightfully gone to Dems.

I really think big EGOs are getting in the way of smart decisions.

[rambler_american]

32. Ford pardoned Nixon

and that's how we got to where we are. Pardon trum?. Oh f*cking hell no.

[barbtries]

38. absolutely fucking not.

I'm so fucking tired right now.

[LymphocyteLover]

33. Apart from the ridiculous idea here, I don't think he is right about what SCOTUS said

there's no pre-emptive pardon for anything. WTF!!!

[Traildogbob]

34. Well, did anybody

See the floor speech given by Texas Rep (Corbin I think) about law and order and justice and consequences for your law breaking, referring to Hunter CRIMES? I saw Kimmel play it in his monologue.
FUCK these clowns. Pardon trump, and Clyburn knows facts that were fully redacted and hidden from us when he was J6 committee head.

[Ray Bruns]

36. "Democratic Rep. James Clyburn has said he supports President Joe Biden pardoning Donald Trump"

And I think Rep Clyburn should get back on his meds

[barbtries]

37. What.

So Democrats have surrendered the rule of law as an American value? I have trouble with this.

[David Boyle]

41. Hopefully just Clyburn

We'll see!

[spudspud]

39. WEAKSAUCE HYPOCRISY!

This would almost guarantee that the base is depressed for upcoming mid-terms, etc., and I can only imagine how devastating that would be to the youth vote. They would rightfully see this as back stabbing, hypocrisy. And I think many voters would also conclude that Trump was right all along-- he was innocent and the Dems finally folded and admitted it by pardoning him. Arghhh.

[David Boyle]

40. Better spuds than weak sauce

[hadEnuf]

42. A normal person might see a pardon as a peace offering no matter how morally wrong it would be to do it.

But Trump is not a normal person. He is a fascist who is surrounding himself with more fascists and any peace offering would be turned into a weapon to further destroy his perceived enemies.

I know we would all like to hope for some relief from this nightmare, but appeasement is not going to work in the long run.

We are at war whether we like it or not. The only thing the enemy understands is force and power.

[travelingthrulife]

44. What is wrong with these fools???

[IronLionZion]

45. He wouldn't need a pardon if he weren't a criminal

[sellitman]

46. Losing the election wasn't enough?

Now we must watch assholes like this kiss the ring?

FUCK THAT SHIT!!!!

[BootinUp]

47. Clyburn is messing with people, don't

mistake what he is doing here. Instead of pardons he wants to talk about the Supreme Court and Trump cases.

[David Boyle]

51. What do you mean?

Curious.

[BootinUp]

54. I missed one word but it should be readable, lol

[David Boyle]

57. Don't laugh, but

, what word is missing?? Thx.

[BootinUp]

59. I fixed it already. Nt

[David Boyle]

62. Thx

[Mike 03]

79. I sure wish you would expand on this.

I feel like you may have figured this out in some way, but I don't understand.

[BootinUp]

86. Briefly

He is not serious about convincing Biden, the one person that needs to be convinced, to pardon the asshole. He is merely discussing it hypothetically and bringing up other things people should know, if they do not. Cya.

[-misanthroptimist]

48. I sort of agree

By pardoning him, you are giving him something. He didn't beat the system. Democrats forgave him. It sucks, but imo it's better than the alternative.

By having it all thrown out he can claim he was a victim.

[David Boyle]

53. Rec for thoughtfulness, even if one disagrees

The federal charges may be revivable after Trump's term, though.

[-misanthroptimist]

71. Two points:

After his term may not come. I don't think he has any intention of leaving.

But even if there is an end to his term, I have zero doubt that he'd pardon himself.

[Mike 03]

82. Oh, I think I get it

The act of pardoning him is actually a sort of power play in itself. Is that close to your thinking?

For Trump to accept help from anybody is against his code of zero-sum encounters between people. This is actually a gesture that weakens him, because he is in the uncomfortable position of accepting something he needs from someone he regards as an "enemy"?

We are into the realm of psychology and power plays?

[-misanthroptimist]

95. You got it.

[PortTack]

49. NO!

[JohnSJ]

50. F**K this bullshit. The sociopath tried to overthrow the government for gosh sakes. Between those Democrats upset

that President Biden pardoned his son, and this garbage, while I ill continue to vote Democratic, I am very much inclined to never give another dime to the Democrats until they get their heads screwed on right.

[Wuddles440]

55. With "leadership" like this...

is the reason the Democratic Party runs the risk of being banished to the outer limits of the political waste land for decades. Total capitulation reflects absolute weakness, lack of commitment, and absence of any principles or value system. It's time for a major housecleaning to replace this tired, old guard with some young blood who are willing to take a stand and fight. If anyone should be pardoned, it's those whom have been identified as "enemies" by Old King Drumpf.

[ColinC]

56. Is this a good idea?

I honestly can't decide.

[Aviation91]

58. Not A Good Idea!

SCOTUS has already given Trump immunity! Joe Biden does not need to do anything!

[xocetaceans]

61. Clyburn must either be a moron or a coward if he thinks that Biden pardoning Trump, the insurrectionist, is reasonable.

With Democrats like that, who needs Republicans or MAGAs?

[David Boyle]

69. Trumputinmusk

Putting together your three favorite names.

Or, Trumpmuskutin.

[bluestarone]

63. Another shooting ourselves in the foot moment!

Sure seems to me that a big problem with Democrats is, we can NEVER stick together like RETHUGS. WE continue to hurt ourselves!

[David Boyle]

65. Hurtin' your head there!

[Easterncedar]

64. FFS

That is all

[Dem4life1970]

66. No

Do not pardon him. The SCOTUS's unconstitutional and outrageous immunity ruling still posits that only "Official" acts are immune. A future DOJ can certainly pick up his criminal activity and charge him in the future.

[David Boyle]

67. Yes, and not even all official acts are immune,

, but some are only presumptively immune, I hear.

[City Lights]

68. Nope. Not a chance in hell that I would support that.

Dumb idea, Rep. Clyburn.

[Turbineguy]

70. Trump will fuck the country if he doesn't get off.

he will fuck the country less if he gets off.

Maybe.

Supply-Side Justice.

[NotHardly]

72. Democratic Rep. James Clyburn is a freaking idiot...yet again.

[republianmushroom]

73. Another one that thinks if he sucks up to the convicted felon

And kisses him between his orange cheeks, he will get a cabinet position.

[RobinA]

75. That's Some Strange Logic

The SC did what it did. No need for anyone's fingerprints to be on their bid for a monarchy.

[kirby]

76. He is wrong...

Clyburn said: "Yes, I could, absolutely. Because the Supreme Court has pretty much made it very clear, that he is preemptively pardoned of anything he may do as president."

Well stealing classified documents AFTER leaving office and fomenting an insurrection are not things he did as president.

[dchill]

78. Joe Biden is NOT going to pardon Trump.

And most of the crimes committed by Trump were NOT official acts committed while he was president. So, I'm here-by telling James Clyburn to "Step Off!"

[J-9]

107. Call him

and REALLY tell hi.

[David Boyle]

108. Or use the link I provided...

[berksdem]

80. F NO!

[Bluethroughu]

81. No way. A president insurrectionist. No.

How is he allowed to serve in any office?

[hotellanai1986]

83. Hmmm... When Political People Change Course Drastically, It Usually Boils Down To...

TSF has unveiled some heretofore unleashed blackmail on the person. Hear me out on my hypothesis: Mr. Clyburn, a man of upstanding character, is the target of a blackmail scheme. He, like Romney, is a family man with children and grandchildren, and it appears he fears the potential consequences of this information becoming public. It has been alleged that TSF obtained compromising material from Putin, who reportedly acquired it during a widely publicized hack of Democrats' emails. Although Republicans' emails were also compromised in this incident, the media did not give it the same level of attention. TSF, despite a history of unrestrained behavior, has shown unusual restraint in using this information sparingly, deploying it only when deemed necessary. It appears now that Mr. Clyburn has become the focus of TSF's attention. Like Romney, Clyburn may be acting to shield his family from a potential scandal. However, the most effective way to combat blackmail is to expose it publicly, revealing both the information and the attempt itself. However, it is understandable that someone might choose to yield to such pressure.

[David Boyle]

94. Blackmail... maybe

Help!

[AKwannabe]

84. Fuck that shit

Fuck that
Fuck that
Fuck that

What the fucking fuck IS GOING ON?!?!?!?

[doc03]

87. WTF is wrong with these people?

[kerouac2]

91. Force the mo fo to pardon himself.

I mean, gimme a break. If trump is going to get a pardon, make him do it himself. And manchin can just go tf away.

[GoreWon2000]

92. Letting election stealing Bush brothers off the hook

is how we got to Trump. All of Trump's 2020 election stealing tactics including January 6th came from the election stealing road map that the Bush brothers created in Florida in 2000. Manchin and Clyburn are out of their minds wanting to pardon election stealer, convicted felon Trump.

[malthaussen]

93. Ridiculous. n/t

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

98. Glad he's not repping me.

I'd give him an earful.

[David Boyle]

101. E.g., "YAAAAGH!!"

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

129. That and I'd be voting for his opponent come primary time.

[Mz Pip]

99. If the thought is

that pardoning Trump will make him less likely to go on his revenge and retribution tour then forget about it.
Making nice will just be seen as weakness.

[David Boyle]

100. Ding-ding-ding! You get the prize!!

[Omnipresent]

102. Pardon him?

Is that code for “make trump mysteriously disappear”?
If that’s the case, you won’t get any argument out of me!

[David Boyle]

106. Magic wand

Whoooosh.

[doc03]

104. Look what Ford brought us by pardoning Nixon. nt

[24601]

134. It brought us Jimmy Carter.

[doc03]

135. No Trump

[24601]

138. Can you lay out a reasonable cause and effect? The 1976 election was sufficiently close to infer that the Nixon pardon

made a significant enough difference to elect Carter.

Between 1976 and 2016 & 2024, there are far too many other variables to argue it brought us Trump.

[doc03]

139. I think not prosicuting Nixon for his crimes

emboldened Trump. That proved that like Nixon said, if the president does it it is not a crime. I even saw a post here saying Biden should pardon Trump.

[LiberalFighter]

109. Absolutely no pardon for Trump.

[IzzaNuDay]

110. Oh hell to the no, Clyburn!

A pardon only means that dotard will continue to exact revenge.

But I am willing to gamble had the dotard's actions taken place 100-150 years ago, he would have been under a tombstone rotting in a grave.
His sorry ass would have been executed for treason and high crimes.

[David Boyle]

111. Donald Trump - Don Tr - DoTard

[IzzaNuDay]

114. Kim Jong Un started using dotard back in 2017

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41357315

but your breakdown is delicious!

[David Boyle]

115. "Good taste"

[Deminpenn]

112. The time to dangle a pardon was

two years or so ago. I would bet that if Biden had offered Trump a deal to pardon him or to drop the federal charges in return for Trump dropping out of the presidential race and signing a binding agreement never to run for elective office again, Trump would've taken it.

After all, Trump's entire reason for running for president was to stay out of jail.

[David Boyle]

116. What about graft?

$$$

[Deminpenn]

136. Secondary, imho

Trump doesn't have to be president to grift or indulge in graft.

But he did need to be president to make the federal charges go away.

[David Boyle]

143. But he can graft bigger 'n better as Prez!

[C0RI0LANUS]

113. Here is the pardon which POTUS Joseph R. Biden can read aloud on international TV:

"Now, THEREFORE, I, JOSEPH R. BIDEN, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Donald J. Trump for all offenses against the United States such as insurrection, treachery, business fraud, sexual misconduct, draft evasion, being an unregistered agent of the Russian government, tax avoidance, graft, voter suppression, mishandling classified information, slander, libel, and racial discrimination, which he, Donald J. Trump, has heinously committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from June 14, 1946 through January 19, 2025.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this tenth day of December, in the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty--four."

JOSEPH R. BIDEN



Just like President Gerald R. Ford pardoning Richard M. Nixon on national TV (8 Sep 1974).

[David Boyle]

117. Nice job

as usual. All the details about his "alleged" crimes...

[C0RI0LANUS]

118. Thanks, Dave. Note Pres. Biden included 'graft' in the hypothetical pardon.

Napoleon was so egotistical, at his coronation he rudely swiped the crown from a shocked Pope to anoint himself Emperor of Europe:

"Nobody gave me Europe! Not you! Not God. Me! Me! I took it! Me!"

Fast-forward to today's orange shit-gibbon blighting our senses:

"Nobody gave me America! I won it! Me! Me! I won!"

So here's your pardon, Mr. President-elect. Just don't say Democrats never gave you anything.

(And President Biden gets to read it out loud on TV).

[David Boyle]

121. Trumpoleon - heh

[C0RI0LANUS]

123. Not too bad, Dave!

[David Boyle]

124. Just thinking - maybe Trump is sorta like Shakespeare's...

Coriolanus!
(January 6 was like Corio turning on Rome)

Now THAT's a mind-blower.

[C0RI0LANUS]

127. Good point, Dave, but Coriolanus lead Volscians against Rome and repented at the end of the play.

Consider the Earl of Essex for a 6 Jan analog because he led his fellow Englishmen (and some Scots and Irish) in his failed putsch.



BTW: I posted an OP in the ISR/PSE Issue Forum.

[David Boyle]

130. How many pictures do you have?

[C0RI0LANUS]

132. A bagful.

[David Boyle]

133. Looks like it

[C0RI0LANUS]

137. Trumpf is more akin to vile Richard III or treacherous MacBeth usurping the throne, but your point is well made.

[David Boyle]

142. Gandalf the Black

He sho look different!

[Startint]

120. No!

Don’t you get it?
They don’t care! They don’t give a shit! All this cutesy, coy listing of his supposed crimes, the nuance will just go right over their heads!
Just…. No! Bad idea! No!

[C0RI0LANUS]

125. Ten-Four, the pardon is not going to happen. But, did you read the hypothetical pardon I drafted?

You must admit Joe reading that on national TV would have been a field goal kick into #45's groin.

[David Boyle]

126. Fun pardon

Photo may be funny (in a brutal way) too!

[Startint]

119. Meh.

Beginning to wonder - is it Clyburn the legend or clyburn the broken clock.
(He may have been lucky to be right a couple of times but this time he’s definitely wrong!)

[David Boyle]

122. Clockburn - heh

[live love laugh]

128. "Top Democrat" when? Where?!

[MFM008]

131. F U C K. N O

No.

[NowsTheTime]

148. What a Crock!

[David Boyle]

149. And not even something you can drink!

[David Boyle]

150. At least Clyburn isn't trying to put out the Sun

"Trump wants to DRAG WORLD INTO DARKNESS FOREVER !!! !! !"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219818788

[Hassler]

151. Time for Clyburn to hang it up. Sounds like he has Stockholm Syndrome like Fetterman.

[David Boyle]

152. "Stockholm Cly"

Sounds like a cowboy name!

[mymomwasright]

153. Stolen classified documents!!

Not an official act! No way!

[David Boyle]

154. You and your mom are right!

[Xoan]

155. HOW MANY TIMES IS THIS MORON GONNA GET HEADLINES?

[David Boyle]

156. MORan MORe