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highplainsdem

(54,945 posts)
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 01:00 PM Feb 5

DOGE Employees Ordered to Stop Using Slack While Agency Transitions to a Records System Not Subject to FOIA

Source: 404 Media

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The messages indicate that, under Elon Musk’s leadership, DOGE is actively taking steps to make sure its communications and records are not subject to the Freedom of Information Act, a records transparency law commonly used by journalists and lawyers to hold government accountable. Instead, DOGE is asserting that rather than reporting up through the Office of Management and Budget as the United States Digital Service did for years, it is reporting through the Executive Office of the President and to White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles. Under OMB, it was generally subject to FOIA. Under the White House Chief of Staff, records it creates are generally not subject to FOIA.

This would make DOGE a Presidential Records Act entity, meaning records it creates are not FOIAble until years after a president leaves office rather than a Federal Records Act entity, which would make its records FOIAble now. This is a very notable, but unsurprising move that federal records experts have been worried about since the issuance of Donald Trump’s executive order renaming the United States Digital Service—an agency of federal tech workers that was formed under the Obama administration—to the United States DOGE Service. That executive order specifically states that the renamed entity “shall be established in the Executive Office of the President,” and that the USDS administrator (Elon Musk) “shall report to the White House Chief of Staff.” The Dispatch, for example, wrote a very informative article about this could limit public scrutiny of DOGE and the “clever” executive order that did this.

Government experts 404 Media spoke to said the directive to not use Slack and the assertion that DOGE is now under the Executive Office of the President rather than OMB is not surprising but that it is very concerning, and that this assertion can be, will be, and is being legally challenged.

"Just changing the name alone under the Executive Order doesn't affect DOGE's recordkeeping status,” Jason R. Baron, professor at the University of Maryland and former director of litigation at the National Archives and Records Administration told 404 Media in a phone call. “The administration apparently has made a determination that DOGE will be a presidential component subject to the Presidential Records Act. However, that will surely be challenged in the courts in connection with FOIA lawsuits. Under FOIA, it will be for the courts to decide whether under existing DOGE is acting more like a federal oversight agency or as a presidential component that solely advises the President.”

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Read more: https://www.404media.co/doge-employees-ordered-to-stop-using-slack-while-agency-transitions-to-a-records-system-not-subject-to-foia/

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DOGE Employees Ordered to Stop Using Slack While Agency Transitions to a Records System Not Subject to FOIA (Original Post) highplainsdem Feb 5 OP
I'm sure that is illegal. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 5 #1
He is a a criminal Captain Zero Feb 5 #2
Who is going to hold them accountable? IronLionZion Feb 5 #6
"How dare people hold me accountable for anything!" -Muskrat, probably sakabatou Feb 5 #3
I think that's the biggest news I've seen yet dickthegrouch Feb 5 #4
He has to hide his emails to Pootie and Xi somehow FakeNoose Feb 5 #5
Blatantly illegal liberalgunwilltravel Feb 5 #7
LOL, no one has the power to do that. maxsolomon Feb 7 #12
You clearly missed my point liberalgunwilltravel Feb 7 #13
So, you want someone to assassinate him. maxsolomon Feb 7 #14
Democracy dies in darkness. bronxiteforever Feb 5 #8
The Presidential Records Act then applies. James48 Feb 5 #9
More Recommendations and More Attention erpowers Feb 6 #10
Nothing but thugs. Solly Mack Feb 6 #11

Captain Zero

(7,757 posts)
2. He is a a criminal
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 01:09 PM
Feb 5

I think they are going to siphon a few cents off every transaction for themselves.

dickthegrouch

(3,957 posts)
4. I think that's the biggest news I've seen yet
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 01:49 PM
Feb 5

I’m not normally given to swearing but

Oh FUUUUUUUUCK!

13. You clearly missed my point
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 06:50 PM
Feb 7

There are somethings that the Court’s decision has no bearing on. And with Trump dismantling the security agencies he is effectively blinding himself and the rest of the traitors in his administration to the mounting threats they will face.

maxsolomon

(36,096 posts)
14. So, you want someone to assassinate him.
Fri Feb 7, 2025, 07:24 PM
Feb 7

Not for his agenda to be blocked. Got it.

No one's going to assassinate him now.

James48

(4,769 posts)
9. The Presidential Records Act then applies.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 05:39 PM
Feb 5

IfDoge is working directly on behalf of the President/ White House, then the Presidential Records Act applies, which bans the use of private emails, without copying them directly to records retention files.

See 44 U.S.C. Section 2911 (10).



https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title44-section2911&num=0&edition=prelim#:~:text=%C2%A72911.,non%252Dofficial%2520electronic%2520messaging%2520accounts&text=(2)%2520forwards%2520a%2520complete%2520copy,or%2520transmission%2520of%2520the%2520record.

erpowers

(9,416 posts)
10. More Recommendations and More Attention
Thu Feb 6, 2025, 08:55 PM
Feb 6

This story needs more recommendations and more attention. This is a big story. There should not be anything that goes on at a government agency that is not subject to a FOIA request. I understand the need to keep national security secrets safe, but aside from national security secrets the American people should be able to get information about what the government is doing as a result of a FOIA request.

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