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BumRushDaShow

(151,084 posts)
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 05:51 PM Mar 22

Lawmakers fear DOGE cuts will drive away next generation of federal workers

Source: NBC News

March 22, 2025, 6:00 AM EDT


WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump and Elon Musk’s sweeping federal layoffs aren’t just wreaking havoc on tens of thousands of employees across the country. Lawmakers in both parties are warning the cuts will harm the government’s ability to recruit young people out of college — as well as highly skilled candidates from the private sector — causing a ripple effect that could be felt for years or even decades.

“The recruiting challenge they’re creating for themselves is enormous,” Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., whose state is home to hundreds of thousands of federal workers, said of the Department of Government Efficiency’s efforts. “I don’t think that’s an accidental byproduct. I think that’s a known consequence — and they don’t care.”

Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., whose state also borders Washington, D.C., and is home to thousands of federal employees, agreed with Kaine that DOGE’s headline-grabbing, scorched-earth approach is designed, in part, to drive away the next generation of civil servants.

“I’m very worried that this will discourage talented young people from joining the federal service,” Van Hollen, the son of two former federal workers, said in an interview. “A lot of people who join the federal service do it for all the right reasons; they’re patriots and they want to serve the country. And with the Musk-Trump approach, they’re effectively terrorizing the federal civil service.”

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/lawmakers-fear-doge-cuts-will-drive-away-generation-federal-workers-rcna197085

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Lawmakers fear DOGE cuts will drive away next generation of federal workers (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Mar 22 OP
Gee, ya think? hlthe2b Mar 22 #1
It's not a bug. COL Mustard Mar 22 #4
I can pretty much promise that it will MLWR Mar 22 #2
"Lawmakers in both parties are warning..." Prairie Gates Mar 22 #3
So... lonely bird Mar 23 #15
Trump is also driving away our military allies, our trading partners, overseas investors, tourists, immigrants Midnight Writer Mar 22 #5
..and the crazy sonofabich is saying... Septua Mar 23 #25
They don't give a shit. bamagal62 Mar 22 #6
Yes. Would you work for such a place, when the jobs aren't guaranteed and you could lose it on the whim of an SWBTATTReg Mar 22 #7
This is the goal. Make sure no one will ever work for the US federal govt again. Irish_Dem Mar 22 #8
NO SHIT Skittles Mar 22 #9
The Republican lawmakers better fear the voters more. cstanleytech Mar 22 #10
Well it's a given - nobody in college now would ever consider working for Uncle Sam FakeNoose Mar 22 #11
True. Private industry is not much better. Getting laid off from a job is pretty common. travelingthrulife Mar 23 #20
It's f'd up...per Rachel Maddow: "Ready, fire, aim." Septua Mar 23 #12
The vast majority of VA employees are veterans. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 23 #14
RAGE Retire All Government Employees Seinan Sensei Mar 23 #13
Canada, UK, Europe and Mexico will be recruiting delisen Mar 23 #16
I applied for several government jobs back in the 80s RazorbackExpat Mar 23 #17
The '80s was when Raygun had begun doing what would be considered BumRushDaShow Mar 23 #18
I well remember his firing of the PATCO people in '81 RazorbackExpat Mar 23 #21
"the Reagan cult had to change the name of National Airport to Reagan National Airport." BumRushDaShow Mar 23 #22
That's the plan. These people are really slow learners. travelingthrulife Mar 23 #19
Yep, my youngest was thinking of Luciferous Mar 23 #23
I hated working for the Feds CountAllVotes Mar 23 #24
Sure as hell WILL. elleng Mar 23 #26

hlthe2b

(109,228 posts)
1. Gee, ya think?
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 06:08 PM
Mar 22

Decimating Federal agencies while ruthlessly (and with the highest degree of ignorance, lack of consideration, and disrespect) summarily fire people--many by an email from someone whose knowledge exists of screen time in their grandma's basement eating Cheetos...

Well, the 90s brought New Gingrich's hateful rhetoric that incited Tim McVeigh to bomb the Murrah Federal Building--which surely "showed all those lazy Fed employees"-- but Musk/Trump have done one better. Their bomb is multi-agency/multi-city and yes, it will be multi-generational. And their "bomb" will impact most of the entire populace. Wow. "That'll show 'em"...

COL Mustard

(7,346 posts)
4. It's not a bug.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 06:45 PM
Mar 22

It's a feature. And they have it planned out completely. Demoralize, discourage new hires, pretty soon they'll start RIF'ing us old farts, then what's left?

MLWR

(282 posts)
2. I can pretty much promise that it will
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 06:16 PM
Mar 22

When you take a job, you sign a contract. If the contracts with the government can be torn up by a madman's will, and if you can never be sure anymore that a madman won't be elected by the country's morons, your contract may very well not be worth the paper it's written on.

Prairie Gates

(4,900 posts)
3. "Lawmakers in both parties are warning..."
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 06:43 PM
Mar 22

The next paragraph quotes Don Bacon (R - Nebraska), but he doesn't say anything about recruiting:

Rep. Don Bacon, R-Neb., said he, too, had concerns about the impact of cuts on recruitment efforts. A rare Republican voice on Capitol Hill who has questioned DOGE’s hard-charging approach, Bacon told NBC News: “DOGE has been good for showing where our money is being spent and some of the stupid projects that were funded. But it has been too rash in the firings. Better analysis needed to be done. It’s not efficient to fire someone and then rehire.”


Many students who had plans of public service have had to change or abandon those. It's fucking horrible. But yes, who would take a job with a probationary period when DOGE is just using probationary status as a means of firing people. It's ludicrous.

lonely bird

(2,262 posts)
15. So...
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 07:22 AM
Mar 23

Bacon thinks some things funded were “stupid”. Perhaps he can explain which ones were stupid and why? But let us set that aside.

There won’t be a next generation of federal workers because the Techbros want EVERYTHING privatized. Destruction of the federal government was and is the point.

Midnight Writer

(23,728 posts)
5. Trump is also driving away our military allies, our trading partners, overseas investors, tourists, immigrants
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 06:47 PM
Mar 22

Septua

(2,756 posts)
25. ..and the crazy sonofabich is saying...
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 09:05 PM
Mar 23

..we're headed for the Golden Age. He's fu*king insane.

I heard a comment today that the two people actually setting the direction of the government is Peter Thiel and Musk. I can believe that.

SWBTATTReg

(25,180 posts)
7. Yes. Would you work for such a place, when the jobs aren't guaranteed and you could lose it on the whim of an
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 06:53 PM
Mar 22

idiot? Every time a new wave of legislators comes in (2 or 4 years), the entire make up of federal workers would change. Guaranteed to make a big incompetent mess, just the reverse of what tRUMP has claimed to be doing, in draining the swamp. In fact, he's bringing the swamp in faster and faster.

Some state governments and businesses already know this and are snapping up these laid off federal workers (I would, they know the 'ropes' of how to get around the bureaucracy and play the 'game').

Skittles

(163,539 posts)
9. NO SHIT
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 07:07 PM
Mar 22

who the hell would want to risk this kind of cruelty and chaos every time repukes "win" an election???

cstanleytech

(27,546 posts)
10. The Republican lawmakers better fear the voters more.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 09:46 PM
Mar 22

Hopefully this shit show will lead to a super majority Congress for the Democrats as that's the only way we're going to be able to address the Republicans deliberately trying to destroy America.

FakeNoose

(37,184 posts)
11. Well it's a given - nobody in college now would ever consider working for Uncle Sam
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 09:57 PM
Mar 22

If they haven't figured it out for themselves, I'm sure the professors and advisors are all steering students away from government service. Plus we've got way too many lawyers already. Today's young people had better learn a foreign language and plan on moving to Europe (or Asia) the first chance they get.

If I were in my 20's I'd be looking at Denmark or the Netherlands. Of course Germany is my first choice even now.

Seinan Sensei

(941 posts)
13. RAGE Retire All Government Employees
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 01:23 AM
Mar 23

Centerpiece of Curtis Yarvin’s ideology
Yarvin is mentor to JD Vance

delisen

(6,941 posts)
16. Canada, UK, Europe and Mexico will be recruiting
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 07:35 AM
Mar 23

Language studies will be useful.

In the long run we will benefit if graduates work in other western countries.

RazorbackExpat

(469 posts)
17. I applied for several government jobs back in the 80s
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 08:38 AM
Mar 23

I had a Master's Degree and still no one wanted me, even though there was one job in particular I applied for that I thought was tailor-made for me. But Fate told me I was needed somewhere else.

BumRushDaShow

(151,084 posts)
18. The '80s was when Raygun had begun doing what would be considered
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 08:54 AM
Mar 23

a "benign" version of what you see now. He started off his first term with the firing of over 11,000 ATCs and it went downhill from there.

When I started in the '80s, the next youngest person in my lab was literally 15 years OLDER than me (there was that much of a hiring gap).

Glad you found someone who valued your knowledge!

RazorbackExpat

(469 posts)
21. I well remember his firing of the PATCO people in '81
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 09:18 AM
Mar 23

and then the 80s became one of the most dangerous eras for air travel. And to add insult to injury, the Reagan cult had to change the name of National Airport to Reagan National Airport. It's like, WTF, man?

BumRushDaShow

(151,084 posts)
22. "the Reagan cult had to change the name of National Airport to Reagan National Airport."
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 09:30 AM
Mar 23

That was a disgrace.

The air system has STILL never recovered from that - especially when there was a steady increase in air traffic since that happened. And it is about to get even worse.

Yet the MAGats have pretty much thrown Raygun under the bus... it's that bad.

travelingthrulife

(2,099 posts)
19. That's the plan. These people are really slow learners.
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 09:02 AM
Mar 23

Too bad he's not a member of a co-equal branch of government, he could do something about this.

CountAllVotes

(21,700 posts)
24. I hated working for the Feds
Sun Mar 23, 2025, 11:40 AM
Mar 23

Ten years of it. What a waste of time.

I have nothing to show for it either.

No one cared to work for them when I did either.

It was a thankless job.

It will be even more difficult to recruit people like me, as GS-2 step 1. Pay was $2.88 an hour. Big damn deal!



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