Was America born as a Christian nation?

[lees1975]

https://baptistnews.com/article/was-america-born-as-a-christian-nation-its-more-complicated-than-that/


No one markets products like evangelical preachers and Donald Trump. While Trump sells Bibles and golden sneakers and politics, Robert Jeffress of First Baptist Dallas is selling copies of his coffee table book version of his annual July 4 sermon — America Is a Christian Nation.

What better way to spread the doctrine of America founded as a Christian nation than using a Republican mailing list? If you get on any Republican mailing list from redwaveusa.com, you will be offered a chance to make a $30 contribution and receive a free copy of the illustrated version of the pastor’s book.

“You scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours” works perfectly for Jeffress and Trump. The two are a matched pair. Jeffress spreads lies about the founding of the nation; Trump tells lies about the stealing of the 2020 election. Lying never has been as profitable as it is today.

What exactly is Jeffress selling? What will you get for your $30 donation? You get an expanded, illustrated version of a Jeffress sermon.

But is what Jeffress preaching actually true?

[lees1975]

1. To answer that last question, any pastor who supports Trump the way Jeffress does is also a liar.

And so, the answer to the question is no, what he's preaching is false.

[Think. Again.]

2. No, the founding fathers were deists who were serious about the seperation of church and state.

[dlk]

3. The founders were Deists

This country was founded of freedom from religion.

[Arne]

4. America was founded as an Indian Nation, because you know,

they arrived in India.

[elleng]

5. NO.

[brewens]

6. I see posts claiming the founding father fled religious persecution and always laugh and say the founders didn't

flee anything, they didn't just get off the boat. I leave it like that and see if anyone takes the bait.

I've had people get really snotty with me and ask if I slept through history class, then I whack them over the head!

I start in by telling them religion wasn't even mentioned in the Declarations list of grievances to King George. Then I tell them you're thinking of guys like this over 100 years earlier.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/god-government-and-roger-williams-big-idea-6291280/

[Karadeniz]

7. Geo Washington told a Jewish synogogue that they had the right to practice

their religion here, not due to the gov't merely turning a blind eye. That synogogue still has the letter, I think. Thomas Jefferson included an invitation in a treaty with a Muslim nation that they should feel entitled to practice their religion here if they so desired. The inhabitants here may have been as Orthodox as they wanted, but the leaders were influenced by the Enlightenment and deism. Washington accompanied Martha to church as a good husband, but he didn't take communion. Luther Martin's suggestion that God be included in the constitution was voted down. Jefferson's bible erased Jesus's miracles. You must ignore American history to insist that this country was founded on popular ideas of Christian orthodoxy.

[Aristus]

8. The Christianists do like to bring up the Puritans.

I say they were not Christians because, in a time of mass hysteria, they chose to respond by murdering innocent women (and one man), rather than doing the Christian thing, and forgiving them for whatever charge they had invented in the first place.

[Blue Owl]

9. Today's right wing fundy movement wasn't even a thing back then

[onecaliberal]

10. Not only no, but hell no.

[DemonGoddess]

11. nope n/t

[Skittles]

12. oh HELL no

no nation is "born" of some nutty religion