"What Are Some Common Forms of Sexism That Men Face?"- Huffington post (Women section)

[Veilex]

I'd like to get the thoughts of other members of the Men's Group on this one. Does this resonate with you?

•Boys are commonly shown less compassion than girls from an early age (amongst other things, boys are picked up after and slower than girls when they cry).

•Although a majority of women make less than men on the job; men are expected to relocate more often, work longer hours, and to keep a smaller cut of their pay checks for themselves than women, due to socially decided portions of obligations such as mortgages, romantic outings, and such.

•Men are expected to occupy the most dangerous and/or lowest paying jobs and positions (waste collection, roofing and construction, truck driving, mining, logging, firefighting, most things related to war).

•The pressure on women to 'hold down a man' is synonymous with the pressure on men to 'hold down a job.'

*snip*

Quite a few more at the link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/quora/what-are-some-common-form_b_4473062.html

[Behind the Aegis]

1. More than a few resonate with me.

Much of it comes from other men, as well as women. As a gay man, there are also the sexist presumptions that one of us is "the woman." I have been asked that very question on a number of occasions. I also have a three younger brothers and I see some of the pressures they face. Equality should be the goal, but I fear we are still eons away from it.

[Smarmie Doofus]

2. "Dangerous"? Yes.

>>>•Men are expected to occupy the most dangerous and/or lowest paying jobs and positions (waste collection, roofing and construction, truck driving, mining, logging, firefighting, most things related to war).
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Lowest-paid? I'm not so sure.

[lumberjack_jeff]

5. I agree. People wouldn't take these shitty dangerous jobs if a safe one paid the same.

... which in large measure explains the pay gap.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

3. Men are supposed to be kept away from kids who aren't their children

A man sitting in a playground, even in a park, near kids arouses suspicion, and male teachers in grades K-4 are pretty much non existent.

By the way, this writer is gonna get torn apart.

[belzabubba333]

11. i went to pick my daughter at a pool party at a rec center

my wife dropped her off so the people at the party knew her and not me. i went to pick her up and i was a little early so she was still in the pool with the others. the pool is surrounded by a wall about tummy high with regularly spaced openings for people to get in and out of the pool and it was here that i was standing watching my daughter play with the kids in the pool (she was 9).
after a couple of waiting for this to end so i could take her home one male adult flanked by two women came up to me and asked me if knew anyone at the party. a huge part of me was insulted the fuck out and was about to let them know this , who did they think i was? do i have pedophile written on me somewhere? but decided against it since they were essentially( oh how it hate that word ) looking out for her.

my point is they wouldnt have asked my wife that if she'd picked them up instead of droppiong them off

[Major Nikon]

4. Part of the problem is it doesn't resonate with men very much

As as man you are expected by society to keep a stiff upper lip and not complain. Some feminists even use this to their rhetorical advantage, ie 'whiny men'.

The problem is that as long as sexism is allowed to flourish on one side, it will never be addressed in any meaningful fashion because society will just see it as normal regardless of which direction it goes. A set of expectations for one gender requires a set of expectations for the other.

[delta17]

14. Some men reinforce this.

https://m.

Gus is telling Walt to STFU and make money. Oh, it's illegal or immoral? Stop whining and be a man.

[lumberjack_jeff]

6. This one is on the money

Throughout history women were/are treated as property, but men were/are expected to die for their property [and home and nation, which constitute as property] (some people, like Warren Farrell, conclude that they're thus viewed as being worth less than their property).

[Seeking Serenity]

8. Jokes like this (jokes that would be met with STIFF resistance

if the sexes were reversed).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=948349

[chrisa]

9. Some others:

- Assumed to be violent / dangerous
- More likely to be thrown in jail for longer periods
- Assumed to be worse fathers / get custody less, even when being a better parent
- Mocked for showing emotion - supposed to stoic and unfeeling

[Veilex]

10. A few more for the list:

- Considered more disposable (Think any dangerous job, to include combat-based jobs in the military).
- Presumed to be worth less if not willing to lay his life down for a woman.
- His value is often dictated, not by who he is, but rather by what he owns, who his connections are and who he's with.
- Is automatically wrong in any case where a woman has claimed sexism has occurred, regardless of facts.
- Is not considered capable of being a nurturing parent .
- Is expected to internalize all negative emotions and never share them with anyone and
- Is considered out of control if those negative emotions are divulged.
- Is expected to be "strong" and never need any help from anyone else.
- His emotional state is under constant assault by both men and women to "be a man" without really knowing what that means.
- Are expected to take a back seat when their rights are being aggrieved because there are others who's rights are more important.
- Men are still not allowed to hit Women back in self defense.
- If a disaster strikes, and there are women involved, men are expected to sacrifice their lives so the women can live.
- As has been stated before, but needs to said again: Fathers virtually never get Custody of Their Children... Because Men are often assumed to be inferior at parenting
- Men are demonized if they admire an attractive women, but are expected to remain mute if they're objectified.
- Male early education teachers and Child care workers are virtually non existent.
- The default presumption is that if a man is interested in working with kids, he is probably a pedophile.
- If a man does become a teacher, he can never ever be alone with a child under any circumstances for fear of persecution... because of the view that men are always a potential molester
- If a male teacher is persecuted for anything, his guilt is presumed.
- Its not okay for men to hug non immediate family members. (High-fives are dubious if it is not to another guy)
- If men are having life issues, their problems are insignificant and they should just "grow a pair", "man up" or "suck it up".
- It is frequently funny when a man gets hit in the groin, or beat up.
- When a man gets sick he's "a baby".
- Men are hit with body shaming, just like women are, though there is virtually no support for men who're dealing with this issue.
- People will ask kids where their mommy is when they are clearly out with the Dad
- Boys are always told to "grow up big and strong" because that's "what girls like"
- A man is never sexy. The services he performs around the house, or at a job, is.

Not all of these are true all the time... but more often than not, they are.

[Bonobo]

12. War deaths. Nuff said.

Never understood why the issue of rapes that happen in wartime are universally agreed to be a horrible thing but deaths of men by the millions is like "Uh, well, it's war, d'uh."

[chrisa]

13. It's completely absurd.

In our culture, war is celebrated almost to a psychotic extent. Rape is recognized as the evil act that it is, but sending soldiers to wars-for-profit to shoot and kill people is passed off as not only good, but necessary.

In a society where life is treated so cheaply, and violence is celebrated, can anyone really claim ignorance of why rape happens? It begins with a basic lack of respect for human life.

[delta17]

15. Can I make a respectful argument?

I think the idea is that soldiers are lawful combatants. Most people believe that a soldier can kill during war and come home and rejoin society. Few people would call John Kerry a murderer, and his squad leader said he "dispatched" an enemy soldier with his M-16.

OTOH, purposely killing and raping civilians during wartime is seen as cowardly and disgusting, and it serves no strategic purpose.

But yeah, anyone who says "It's war, too bad" probably is a chickenhawk.

[sibelian]

16. There are numerous blind spots around war.

It's regarded as a phenomenon seperable from ordinary human morality. This loosening of ties from the world's heart permits the most revolting degradations of men and manhood imaginable.

That this process is aimed almost exclusively at men appears to escape the attention of some. They are unaware even that it is aimed.