Men are worse off now than in the past. Therefore male privilege isn't real.

[Gravitycollapse]

Because men suffer, this means men and women are equal.

Even though men still earn more. Even though men are still not subject to the same level of systemic oppression.

When you look at historical earnings, the two lines are getting closer. Which means both that male privilege never existed and that male privilege is now over. And, no, there is nothing contradictory in that statement. Nothing at all. Nothing.

Are you happy you man-hating beasts?

You've crushed our wee-little man hearts.

Added for dramatic effect:

[BainsBane]

1. Edited

Misunderstood. I didn't get the context. I expect many people won't.

[Gravitycollapse]

2. I hate that the sarcasm tag disrupts the post's continuity.

However, I may have to add it if intent is not perfectly clear.

[BainsBane]

3. It wasn't at all

I couldn't figure it out until someone PMed me to explain what you were responding to.

I wish there were a better sarcasm emoticon. The one they have lacks all subtlety.

[BainsBane]

4. I think, however, you don't have it quite right

The fact that women's wages are starting to approach men's, even if only 77 cents on the dollar, is evidence of how badly women oppress men. Take, for example, the fact that a white man can no longer get a job simply by virtue of being white and male. He actually has to acquire education and experience. That he can't automatically prevail over women more qualified shows just how badly he is oppressed. The world has become so unfair to men, and it's all the fault of women.



Some will even bandy around charts without the integrity--or perhaps educational background--to provide context about the decline of American wages in general. But what they are really pissed off is the fact that women and people of color share in the wealth at all. For them, being a white male means they should be entitled to have everything they want even if can't be bothered to get an education or do anything with their lives. The problem isn't deinustrialization, outsourcing, the decline of unions, or global capitalism's relentless pursuit of cheap labor but the fact that evil women are allowed to hold jobs. Some men long for the days of segregation where 3/4 of the population was excluded from decent jobs simply because of gender or the color of their skin. In addition to being profoundly sexist, their simple minded dogma is highly racist, since what they long for are the days before affirmative action and the Civil Rights Act of 1964. These MRA ideologues are essentially White Male Supremacists.

[JoeyT]

5. Indeed.

Starting out on second base rather than third is going to terrible for us. I'm not sure how we'll make it.

[Squinch]

7. Here's what I think is the problem: Women have had to re-define what it means to be a woman and

what the "proper" role for a woman might be, because the old roles were financially and emotionally untenable. So we did. We've completely re-defined which roles are considered appropriate for women.

The problem is that some men never bothered to do the work to redefine themselves and their roles in relation to the new definition of women's roles. They just decided not to.

Now, you see all this crap about how men are oppressed, all these polls that show that men are pissed when their wives make more than they do, this insistence by many men on shunning traditionally female roles even as women are inundating traditionally male roles (yes, we are talking about housework here, among other things).

Something you see here on DU all the timeis a group of men who wallow in bemoaning the fact that men are oppressed by the expectation that they be masculine in the traditional sense of the word, that they need to provide, that they need to be the problem solvers, that they be "real men."

I call bullshit. It is pretty obvious it isn't women who are requiring these things from men, it's other men. Which means it's pretty obvious that the solution is: so, cut that out. Just stop. Do the work. Come up with a definition of masculinity that works, because the one they are clinging to doesn't. Don't pander to the morons who can't change.

That's the source of all this whining. A few idiotic men just want things to go back to where they get to have power over women, so they act as if they actually do. Which makes them completely odious. And some others are afraid of being made fun of by the first group. All the men in these groups see women not as people, but as some construct that defines them, whether that be for better or worse. And they're working on a set of assumptions that will never be valid again.

Thank God, I think there is a group, growing daily, who have been able to step outside the traditional nonsense, and treat women as people, and at least consider redefining their role as men in relation to women.

[Bonobo]

8. Did anyone actually say that?

I know I don't think it and I know I didn't say it.

How many people actually said it? Was it one or zero?

[Gravitycollapse]

9. I was only speaking to one person. But they did say male privilege isn't real.

And they did attempt to argue that women are better off economically and that women who stay home to care for the children are privileged.

[nomorenomore08]

10. Might be worth noting that the one guy who flat-out denied the existence of male privilege

was PPR'd not long after that. Unless you're talking about someone else.

If you're confused, I meant galileoreloaded (I think it's okay to mention banned members by name). Why "galileo"? I guess because he thinks the world isn't ready for his bold, visionary ideas which just happen to coincide exactly with those of generations of chauvinists before him...

[Gravitycollapse]

12. Ah well that's good I guess.