Neoma, you had no right to sack the other hosts. You need to reinstate them and step down...

[Violet_Crumble]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Neoma (a host of the Feminists group).

Seriously, if you really need to have a group to control, I'll give you the Australia group, but this group is one where a host shouldn';t do what you've done and totally ignore other hosts and members like me who PM'd you several times asking you to talk to the other hosts...

What you've done is a huge abuse of power and it needs to be undone. If you won't do it then I hope the admin do...

[Ecumenist]

1. What happened, Violet Crumble? nt

[patrice]

4. Apparently differences over how to relate to our LGBTQ community turned into a flamr war.

It looks as though attempts to remove a host or co-host were made by both sides, but since that can only be done by the main host, it was N who succeeded.

[seabeyond]

5. except no one who uses this forum voted for her. small detail. i guess the forum has been

given away.

[Violet_Crumble]

31. That's bullshit...

This had nothing to do with the LGBt community. The other hosts weren't disagreeing with her on that. As a member of this group, I was involved in the vote that was happening before Neoma seized power and had voted for Red Queen and Justiseischeap. I also wanted neoma to step down as she's been dishonest in her dealings with group members and hosts.

[LeftyMom]

2. She ran it by admin, take it up with them.

I think they've had it too. Can't say I blame them.

[hlthe2b]

6. Devil's Advocate: How do you know she "ran it by admin"? Because she said so?

I think you would want to hear that from the admins, if so... I have no dog in this fight at this point, but I am appalled at the unilateral actions being taken. This is WRONG>

[LeftyMom]

11. If she's being dishonest about that I'm sure they'll intervene.

I have no reason to believe that's the case.

[hlthe2b]

22. I have no reason to believe either way. If she has that documentation, she needs to share it.

[Gormy Cuss]

14. If she hasn't run it by admin, it's foolhardy to say so in such a prominent post.

That would be a very dumb lie given that admin can PPR any of us at any time for any reason.

[hlthe2b]

20. It wouldn't be the first time an individual DUer has misrepresented official policy...

I'm not saying that this applies in this situation, but I think it foolish to assume without verifying.

[Violet_Crumble]

34. How do you know this? n/t

[William769]

3. She took charge as she should to quell the anomosity.

I applaud her.

[BlueIris]

7. Except nothing she has done will quell any animosity.

In fact, her extreme and unfair actions have obviously made things worse.

[William769]

10. Well given the time

I am sure she will address it when she is back online.

[hlthe2b]

9. Wow.I realize I've missed a lot, but regardless of the history, I'm surprised you would defend...

such unilateral (and very undemocratic action). The lead host taking it upon herself to cut off the voice and participation of all the other ELECTED co-hosts is NOT the way to fix this. That is the kind of thing that we've seen carried out by RW governors, like Walker this year. It is NOT a tactic to be admired. It is NOT the way progressives act. It simply is NOT acceptable.

Frankly, I think all the hosts--primary and all co-hosts-- should stand for election--NOW. I see no other fair way to move forward.

[William769]

13. She did what needed to be done.

It's that simple.

[hlthe2b]

15. And, do you think Governor Walker did what "needed to be done" in using these same kind of tactics?

Honestly. Are we still a progressive website or have we turned the tables and are now supporting autocratic authoritarian dictatorial tactics? Who took the William769 I've known and replaced him? How on earth, can you justify this?

[William769]

18. I won't even dignify that with a answer.

We know who uses that type of tactic.

[hlthe2b]

26. Yes... we know who uses dictatorial tactics. That's why I'm surprised at your defense of this

Regardless of whatever transpired, seriously... how CAN you defend this?

[William769]

28. I defend the way the system is set up.

Bottom line is the system works. If people want to hate me for that, then so be it.

[hlthe2b]

29. Obviously, the system is NOT working. A very toxic environment has been created.

And now there is offense on top of offense--regardless of who might have been right or wrong from the start.

[William769]

30. No people have set up the toxic enviroment.

Perfect example.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/124046806

[hlthe2b]

32. So this is all because someone issued a superfluous alert on you? That's why you are defending this?

While I agree that alert was inappropriate, that you are pointing to THAT as the example leaves me baffled. I suppose when you find yourself with a host that you disagree with--which will inevitably happen at some point, you may not feel so ready to defend such unilateral and dictatorial actions as the host has taken here. You might want to consider that.... This is setting a very unfortunate precedent if Skinner et al allows it to stand.

[William769]

33. Look up the word example.

Showing toxic people and if you look at the newest pinned thread you will see plenty more.

[hlthe2b]

37. Honestly... If you can't see the toxicity going both directions...

I fear that you are not being honest with yourself. I say that respectfully. I am not apportioning blame to any individual, group or subgroup, but the toxicity is destroying a forum that ought to have an important role, given current politics. While you may have the greatest confidence and personal affection for the current (self-designated?) host, it is apparent that they have lost that among a substantial subset of the forum. In response, it appears they are resorting to the most inappropriate and dictatorial tactics in desperation. That is hardly the way to restore any kind of trust--much less civility.

[William769]

38. I will put blame on individuals

They got what they deserved.

I can see this is getting us nowhere so have a good night.

[regnaD kciN]

50. People who use reason?

[William769]

25. What are you talking about?

Who told me to delete what. come on answer up. You skipped out of the other thread to stop from answering a question are you going to do this one the same way?

[seabeyond]

17. we had one more day of elections. hands down, redqueen. that is why they had to do this today

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11393056

and believe, there was a "they" involved. this is not just about neoma

[Violet_Crumble]

35. Unless I hear differently from the admin, this was an abuse of power...

Considering some who have suddenly appeared in this group and cheering this dictatorial move on were only a few hours ago calling a forum host who locked a thread that wasn't against the SOP a rogue host and demanding blood, the hypocrisy is shining right through...

[Ruby the Liberal]

44. Well, One thought

(okay 2)

1) Admin were aware before the fact

2) People are really sick of the toxicity and not blaming "feminists" but self identified "protected feminists" for it.

Your call on how you interpret this all...

[laconicsax]

47. I was just reviewing some PMs and I don't think the admins were aware of the fact.

Neoma told me in a PM that she'd asked Skinner for advice about two hosts and wasn't going to do anything until she heard back from him. I gave her a suggestion about how to best move forward and never heard back.

In fact, when Neoma was asked about reinstating redqueen as a host, she was all for it. A few days later, she removed redqueen as a host.

[Violet_Crumble]

49. I've asked the admin in the hosts forum whether they were aware of what she planned to do...

I don't know where this story that the admin were aware and approved of it has come from, especially when Neoma's refused to communicate with anyone in this group in any manner...

I just noticed she's gone and locked the voting thread. Gotta quash that revolutionary and dangerous idea of voting!!

[Violet_Crumble]

48. I'll wait for the admin to say what they knew and if they approved this...

Yes, people are sick of the toxicity. They're the ones who were in here trying to work things out, not folk who suddenly turn up now to applaud a host unilaterally sacking hosts who'd we (us being the members of this group) had elected fair and square...

[Old and In the Way]

8. Seems like who owns the Forum is more important than discussions on the posted topics.

Why not give her a chance and see if the climate becomes more conducive to a variety of legitimate opinions?

[hlthe2b]

12. I've only been superficially following, but for a HOST to unilaterally remove all elected co-host?!

And, you think THAT earns her the right to be "given a chance?" You believe THAT will be conducive to an improved climate?

I am absolutely appalled and I've had no dog in this fight. How can you think that? How can you defend that?

[William769]

16. A main host has that right

I'm sure the Admins in box is filling up as we speak, but I think it's safe to assume they already know whats going on.

[hlthe2b]

19. The main host could have been absolutely right at the start (or not), but THIS is INDEFENSIBLE.

[Old and In the Way]

21. Easy...that's the way the Groups are set up.

Neoma was not going to be railroaded out of her top host position. Good for her. There's a whole backstory of having her position undermined by the co-hosts who want to run this group like their own private clubhouse. Like you, I have no dog fighting...but, like you, I have an opinion which we obviously don't share. So it goes.

[hlthe2b]

24. The groups were set up to VOTE for their HOST... As I understand it, she was NOT.

Is this incorrect? I was told that Red Queen was the elected host and that N assumed the role without asking for a new vote?

If so, this is NOT the way GROUPS are set up to function.

[seabeyond]

27. redqueen was voted in. we asked for cohost. we did not know there was a line of heirarchy.

redqueen retired pissed about gd. two day later she came back. i asked neoma if she would let redqueen have her place. she said no. she caused problems in the forum. she was not representing our issues and agenda. she got into a personal disagreement with a host, kicked her off, and banned from forum. she quit talking to us. this is the first i have heard from her since saturday. we asked her to step down. we started a vote two days ago. redqueen is voted in.

[William769]

36. Here is the link to prove you wrong.

Now try and dodge it this time.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11391743#post15

[seabeyond]

40. redqueen voted in. by the forum. our group. the people that use this place. not you. link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11393056

[William769]

41. My link is your alls discussion on her becoming main host

Don't try to muddy the facts.

[seabeyond]

43. my link shows the members of the forums voice. nt

[William769]

45. So what you all said in my link didn't happen?

How does that work?

[Violet_Crumble]

39. Yay for dictatorships! Boo to group democracy!

Yeah. good for her! Listening to the wishes of the members of a group and co-hosts is so over-rated anyway!

I don't know you from a bar of soap and haven't spotted you here discussing feminist issues, so where are you getting this crap about a private clubhouse? And why complain about something like that when yr backing someone who is treating this place as their own private fiefdom?

[Ruby the Liberal]

42. Before I read the ~40 responses, this isn't about power.

That is the old structure. I will let new structure speak for itself, but what can I say, I am IMPRESSED.

Down with vile attacks.

[Violet_Crumble]

46. Sacking the co-hosts is an abuse of the power of a host...

It's a sad day when a DUer can say they're impressed with a host going rogue and sacking the other hosts who had all been democratically elected by the group. Democracy, bah. It's so fucking overrated!