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maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 08:41 AM Feb 2012

Virginia’s Proposed Ultrasound Law Is an Abomination

Under the new legislation, women who want an abortion will be forcibly penetrated for no medical reason. Where’s the outrage?

By Dahlia Lithwick|Posted Thursday, Feb. 16, 2012, at 6:57 PM ET

A Virginia law would require a woman seeking an abortion to undergo an ultrasound, whether medically necessary or not.

This week, the Virginia state Legislature passed a bill that would require women to have an ultrasound before they may have an abortion. Because the great majority of abortions occur during the first 12 weeks, that means most women will be forced to have a transvaginal procedure, in which a probe is inserted into the vagina, and then moved around until an ultrasound image is produced. Since a proposed amendment to the bill—a provision that would have had the patient consent to this bodily intrusion or allowed the physician to opt not to do the vaginal ultrasound—failed on 64-34 vote, the law provides that women seeking an abortion in Virginia will be forcibly penetrated for no medical reason. I am not the first person to note that under any other set of facts, that would constitute rape under state law.



What’s more, a provision of the law that has received almost no media attention would ensure that a certification by the doctor that the patient either did or didn’t “avail herself of the opportunity” to view the ultrasound or listen to the fetal heartbeat will go into the woman’s medical record. Whether she wants it there or not. I guess they were all out of scarlet letters in Richmond.



So the problem is not just that the woman and her physician (the core relationship protected in Roe) no longer matter at all in deciding whether an abortion is proper. It is that the physician is being commandeered by the state to perform a medically unnecessary procedure upon a woman, despite clear ethical directives to the contrary. (There is no evidence at all that the ultrasound is a medical necessity, and nobody attempted to defend it on those grounds.) As an editorial in the Virginian-Pilot put it recently, “Under any other circumstances, forcing an unwilling person to submit to a vaginal probing would be a violation beyond imagining. Requiring a doctor to commit such an act, especially when medically unnecessary, and to submit to an arbitrary waiting period, is to demand an abrogation of medical ethics, if not common decency.”*

more: http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/02/virginia_ultrasound_law_women_who_want_an_abortion_will_be_forcibly_penetrated_for_no_medical_reason.html

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Virginia’s Proposed Ultrasound Law Is an Abomination (Original Post) maddezmom Feb 2012 OP
Abomination is the correct word. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #1
And Virginia legislators join Florida and Oklahoma kdmorris Feb 2012 #2
I'll tell you this much... Jester Messiah Feb 2012 #3
In the real world, it's called RAPE. n/t dgibby Feb 2012 #4
It Is Only Going To Get Worse They Don't Care TheMastersNemesis Feb 2012 #5
more: Virginia Bill Would Halt Medicaid Funding For Abortions Of Fetuses That Have ‘No Chance Of Sur maddezmom Feb 2012 #6
Besides being horrifying kdmorris Feb 2012 #7
the proper term for this is "state rape" unblock Feb 2012 #8
Absolutely. Lisa D Feb 2012 #9
This is appalling Catherina Feb 2012 #10

Starry Messenger

(32,375 posts)
1. Abomination is the correct word.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 09:15 AM
Feb 2012

I saw the diagram of the procedure yesterday and I'm still feeling a creeping rise of horror. It's like something out of the X-files!

kdmorris

(5,649 posts)
2. And Virginia legislators join Florida and Oklahoma
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 09:21 AM
Feb 2012

as the most backward, ignorant, misogynistic legislatures in the US. This is insane.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
3. I'll tell you this much...
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 09:41 AM
Feb 2012

If I had a daughter, and some doctor said "I'm now going to jam this instrument up your hoo-hah whether you like it or not" I'd knock that doctor's teeth so far down his throat that he'd be shitting molars for a week. Any doctors thinking about enforcing this sham of a law would do well to consider that I'm probably not alone in this.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
5. It Is Only Going To Get Worse They Don't Care
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 10:58 AM
Feb 2012

I fully support the right to choose for women. They don't care and they will only now get more abusive of women. If anything the GOP is secretly laughing at and mocking women because they believe they are invulnerable and cannot be beat.

This law is just the very beginning of this blitzkrieg. By November 2012 the GOP will have its agenda in place and women will have no way to change it. And when the fix the election they will be able to put 9 Catholics on the Supreme Court. They have 6 now who are told they must support personhood at conception.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
6. more: Virginia Bill Would Halt Medicaid Funding For Abortions Of Fetuses That Have ‘No Chance Of Sur
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 01:18 PM
Feb 2012

Virginia Bill Would Halt Medicaid Funding For Abortions Of Fetuses That Have ‘No Chance Of Survival After Delivery’

By Amanda Peterson Beadle on Feb 17, 2012 at 1:20 pm


Virginia Del. Mark Cole (R) is sponsoring a bill that would eliminate Medicaid funding for abortions.
The Virginia General Assembly has already passed a bill that requires women to undergo an extremely invasive ultrasound before having an abortion, and a bill that would give full rights to a fetus has cleared the House of Delegates and is waiting for Senate approval.

Now, legislators are continuing their assault on women’s access to abortion with HB 62, a measure that would prevent Medicaid from covering abortions for low-income women when a doctor finds that the fetus “would be born with a gross and totally incapacitating physical deformity or mental deficiency.” A Senate committee approved the House bill Thursday, sending it to the full chamber. The House already passed the bill.

The bill’s sponsor Del. Mark Cole (R) dismissed criticism that the policy could force the state’s poorest women to give birth to mortally deformed fetuses that have no chance of survival after delivery, arguing that religious people shouldn’t have to fund abortions:

more: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/02/17/428062/virginia-bill-would-halt-medicaid-funding-for-abortions-of-fetuses-that-have-no-chance-of-survival-after-delivery/?mobile=nc

kdmorris

(5,649 posts)
7. Besides being horrifying
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 01:56 PM
Feb 2012

It does put the burden on the poorest women to be forced to carry these fetuses to term just to watch them die. A more affluent woman may have the means to avoid that sort of horrifying situation.

Is there something in the water in Virginia? Or did they just decide now was a good time to subjugate as many women as possible, while they still can?

Lisa D

(1,532 posts)
9. Absolutely.
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 03:00 PM
Feb 2012

And to think they have no qualms about forcing something like this on incest and rape victims, including minors, makes me sick to my stomach. On second thought, forcing it on ANYONE makes me sick to my stomach.

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