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ymetca

(1,182 posts)
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 03:58 PM Feb 2015

I don't believe our Constitution is sacred

and I don't believe our Founding Fathers thought so either. Otherwise they probably wouldn't have allowed for amendments.

That being said, I think it is important to note that nowhere in the Bill of Rights does it indicate one has to be a U.S. citizen in order to be afforded those rights. That seems to be something all these so-called "strict constitutionalists" seem to be ignoring.

The way I read it, pretty much everyone on Earth can be considered a U.S. Citizen. Otherwise, what is the point? It's not about budgets and borders. It's about basic human dignity and respect for each other.

Unless all my fellow human beings on this planet have the same rights as I, and perhaps a few more which we should add (like the right to a clean environment), I don't think our little experiment in "Freedom" is going to last much longer.

All our eyes seem too low to the ground. We're all too afraid to aspire, and act upon what we know to be the truth --that all people on this planet are created equal, but only insomuch as we hold it to be true, even to those most universally despised. There is nothing sacred about it. Believing in some spooky "god-given" rights handed down from on high is the precise fallacy the framers of our Constitution wanted to avoid.

A right being "inalienable" means there is no such thing as an "illegal alien". Accepting anything less is cowardly, nay traitorous!

The greatest threat to Freedom is, perhaps, our over-zealous defense of it, in the mistaken belief that there is not enough to go around. We'd do better to extend that freedom, rather than build a "dang fence" around it.

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I don't believe our Constitution is sacred (Original Post) ymetca Feb 2015 OP
Foreign nationals can not run for office or vote. Otherwise all individual rights under Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #1
Rights are universal for all humankind. WDIM Feb 2015 #2
The Constitution does not bestow rights on individuals - they have them regardless. Maedhros Feb 2015 #3
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Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
1. Foreign nationals can not run for office or vote. Otherwise all individual rights under
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 04:04 PM
Feb 2015

the Bill of Rights are afforded to them while in the US.

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
2. Rights are universal for all humankind.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 04:24 PM
Feb 2015

The US Constitution was based on the idea of natural rights that exist to all people. The Bill of Rights does not grant rights to the people. These natural rights exist with or without a Constitution. All the Bill of Rights was meant to do was protect those rights in unequivocal terms that our Goverment can make no laws againsr these right. Also if you read the 9th amendment the enumeration of those rights is not meant to disparage or deny the existence of other natural rights.

The only rights given out in the Constitution is to the Federal Government. It spells out how the fed gov should do its jobs and limits the federal govenrment rights to those enumerated in the constitution. All other rights are reserved to the states and the people.

Of course the tables have turned over the last 250 years and now people perceive the fed gov as the absolute law of the land when in reality sovereignty does not belong to the government. Sovereignty belongs to the people.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
3. The Constitution does not bestow rights on individuals - they have them regardless.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 04:40 PM
Feb 2015

The Constitution limits the actions of the Government

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