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mahatmakanejeeves

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Tue Mar 22, 2022, 10:36 AM Mar 2022

Class-action lawsuit targets NYPD practice of secretly collecting DNA

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Class-action lawsuit targets NYPD practice of secretly collecting DNA

BY MATT KATZ
PUBLISHED MARCH 22, 2022 AT 6:00 A.M.

It is a classic practice memorialized in countless television cop dramas: an enterprising detective offers a cigarette or soda to a suspect in a police interrogation room.

But a federal class-action lawsuit filed Monday night in the Southern District of New York accused the NYPD, working with the city medical examiner’s office, of unconstitutionally using that practice to collect possible suspects' DNA from cigarette butts, empty cans or bottles left in interrogation rooms. The suit, filed by the Legal Aid Society, tells the story of a 12-year-old brought in for questioning who was given a soda from McDonald’s that an officer, clad in rubber gloves, later carefully collected to search for DNA fragments, according to court filings.

Phil Desgranges, supervising attorney for Legal Aid, said this means that everyone, including children, can potentially become “permanent suspects,” as each individual's unique biological data could be stored in a suspect index and compared to evidence in future crimes, regardless of whether that person was charged with a crime. ... “If the NYPD wanted to search someone’s cell phone, if they wanted to search your home, they would have to get a warrant or court order to do so,” Desgranges said. “But here, they’re getting this ability to effectively search your genetic material perpetually without any authorization from a court, and without any knowledge of the person whose DNA is being taken.”

The Legal Aid Society filed the class-action lawsuit against the city, along with top NYPD and medical examiner officials, on behalf of the more than 30,000 people with DNA in the suspect index as of the filing. Lawyers said they hoped to get the DNA profiles expunged from the index and stop the NYPD and medical examiner from taking and holding DNA in perpetuity.

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Class-action lawsuit targets NYPD practice of secretly collecting DNA (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2022 OP
How is this different from gathering and storing fingerprints? Midnight Writer Mar 2022 #1
I'm no expert on the subject, but I don't think you're fingerprinted until the time of arrest. mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2022 #2
Evidence and the rules discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2022 #3

mahatmakanejeeves

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2. I'm no expert on the subject, but I don't think you're fingerprinted until the time of arrest.
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 11:15 AM
Mar 2022

In situations covered by the class-action lawsuit, the people whose samples are unwittingly being taken are only "possible suspects." They are being interviewed, but they have not been arrested.

The police are proceeding on the premise that these are the sort of people who will probably commit a crime someday, so let's be proactive and collect their DNA now.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

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3. Evidence and the rules
Tue Mar 22, 2022, 01:26 PM
Mar 2022

Evidence, statements and questioning specific to an individual should in all cases be pursued only subject to a lawful warrant or upon voluntary cooperation and then only after being Mirandized and giving informed consent. Minors cannot give informed consent.

By all means collect evidence from a crime scene. Collect prints, DNA and video recordings. When police are called to an apartment in which a person is found dead and evidence points to an assault, investigate and examine the scene.

Random collection of DNA is an invasion of privacy and a violation of protected rights.

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