Joe Holcombe, 86, mourning the loss of the generations he had raised.

[american_ideals]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/us/shooting-victims-texas.html

SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Tex. — One minute the Holcombes were a tight-knit family praying in the tiny church on Fourth Street.

The next, eight of them were gone.

Bryan and Karla Holcombe, a guest preacher and his wife, were dead.

Their son Marc Daniel Holcombe, gone. Their pregnant daughter-in-law, Crystal Holcombe, gone.

And four of their grandchildren — Noah, Emily, Megan and Greg — gone.

And the gunman nearly wiped out the Holcombe family, leaving Joe Holcombe, 86, Bryan’s father, to mourn the loss of the generations he had raised. “We know where they are now,” he said in an interview, his voice strained by exhaustion. “All of our family members, they’re all Christian. And it won’t be long until we’re with them.”

The day before, his daughter-in-law Crystal was at the county 4-H competition surrounded by her children, at least one of whom won an award, said Bob Baker, a Sutherland Springs resident who attended the event. A few days before that, Noah, 18 months, was bouncing on employees’ desks at her father’s office, digging into Halloween jack-o’-lanterns full of leftover candy.

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America needs to ban all guns that are not single-shot hunting rifles. Handgun ban. Assault rifle ban. Semiautomatic ban.

Single-shot hunting rifles only. Have as many as you want. But not other guns. We support hunters. Not people who want to kill other people. And if you own a whole lot of non-hunting guns, or you are anti-gun control -- you are part of the problem.

[Sneederbunk]

1. No words available.

[Phoenix61]

2. I can not even imagine how that man feels

When are we going to get it? Enough already. Fuck the second amendment.

[bdtrppr6]

3. but

FREEDUMB!

[TupperHappy]

4. No.

Never do I hear one word from the gun banners about the predictable negative consequences of their "commonsense, reasonable" gun bans.

The CDC put out a gun research report in 2013. Among the findings was that there are at least 500 thousand self-defense uses of a firearm every year, compared with about 300 thousand criminal uses.

500,000, at least, and could be higher.

Tell me, how many of those 500,000 are you willing to see robbed and beaten and raped and murdered in order to get your "reasonable, commonsense " gun bans? How many gallons of blood are you willing to live with, so long as we get rid of the icky guns? What level of fascist police state will you tolerate in order to get rid of those guns? Cause let's face it, the only way a ban will ever be "effective" is if it's coupled with confiscation. Door to door searches, say good bye to the 4th amendment along with the 2nd. After all, you can't make an omelet without breaking a few heads, right?

[yagotme]

5. Umm, sorry to interject this here,

but the guy across the street shot the bad guy with an AR-15, stopping any further action by him.

[american_ideals]

6. After dozens had died. What a great idea-give everyone AR-15s and only dozens will die!

[yagotme]

7. As opposed to let the scumbag go on about his business,

letting him go shoot up another church, or whatever???

[friendly_iconoclast]

8. Many control types absolutely *hate* the idea of armed self-defense...

...possibly beacuse it reminds them that fine words and good thoughts don't actually do anything against
those bent on harming others

[american_ideals]

9. Because the more guns, the more people get shot. It's simple

And it's been shown worldwide. You have more handguns and semiauto rifles, more people die.

Pretty simple. The idea that more guns allows NRA-types to stop shootings is bunk. Yes, they can stop shootings, but only after a bunch of people already are killed.

Best way to stop gun crime: remove guns. Keep single-shot hunting rifles, ban all other guns.

[yagotme]

10. Well, good luck with that.

Are you also going to remove NK's, Russia's China's, etc. guns? I'll grab a popcorn and a Dr Pepper while you work on that one. After all, Chicago's excuse for violent crime/shootings is Indiana, so if the USA bans guns, I'll guess the criminals will just import them from other areas. See: The War On Drugs.

[Straw Man]

11. Single-shot hunting rifles?

Keep single-shot hunting rifles, ban all other guns.

What do you mean by "keep" them? Every hunting rifle that I know of is a repeater, whether lever, bolt, or semi-auto action. Are you referring to muzzle-loaders? They are hardly the typical "hunting rifle," although people do hunt with them.

[yagotme]

12. Like these, for example (I guess).

http://www.cabelas.com/product/H-R-Single-Shot-Centerfire-Rifles/705638.uts

[Straw Man]

13. Yes, but only a small minority of hunters use those.

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I know the theory of "make the shot count," but it's better to have a follow-up shot and not need it than to need it and not have it. Wounded game running off to die slowly isn't exactly sporting.

I think the post I was responding to used the word "keep" to give the impression that hunters wouldn't be subject to any sort of confiscation of guns they already own. Nothing could be further from the truth. Trying to ban all repeaters would guarantee immediate pushback from even the Fuddiest of Fudds.

[yagotme]

14. I was guessing that those were the ones "american" was talking about.

I'm guessing he/she doesn't have the full idea of exactly what's out there, and being used, or the actual #'s of arms being considered for "his/her" ban. Here in IL, some hunters use the single shot rifled 12 gauge. Don't know how many, but I am intellectually honest enough to admit that.

[Straw Man]

15. Hmm ...

Most hunters I know who are using a rifled 12-gauge are using a pump. I've worked sight-in days before deer season at my local gun club for the past 10 years, and I can't recall seeing any single-shot shotguns.

[yagotme]

16. Knew of one,

beginning hunter, got shotgun, scope, sling, used, for $150.00. Used that for a couple of years until traded for an 870. Not saying it happens a lot, but it does occasionally.

[oneshooter]

17. You can also get aftermarket rifled 12ga. barrels.

Made to fit your Rem.870. Mossberg, Auto5, or most other shotguns. There are also rifled 12ga. replacement barrels for most single shots.

[yagotme]

18. That's what I meant, he got a rifled H&R shotgun.

I have an aftermarket for my 870, but I have zeroing problems. I got one with rifle sights, and mounted a scope on the receiver. Unfortunately, there is enough play in the receiver/barrel connection, that after 3-5 rounds, the barrel may shift slightly, and then the scope is no longer looking where the barrel is pointed. Should have gotten the cantilever mount, that should work a lot better. Started hunting with a Ruger 8 3/8" .44, 100 yard zero. 3 down with it so far.