Children Are Dying Because Of Americans' Denial About Guns
On the study in Pediatrics reporting the large number of American kids being killed by guns
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2017/06/19/american-denial-about-facts-on-guns-continues-to-kill-children/#315466384a9a
Deaths of children and teens under 18 years old had been declining from 2006 to 2013, but they have increased over the past two years, just as the number of guns owned in the U.S. have dramatically increased.
One in ten children’s deaths in 2014 and 2015 resulted from a gunshot wound, noted Eliot Nelson, MD, a professor of pediatrics at University of Vermont Children’s Hospital in Burlington, in a commentary about the new study.
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Here's a kid who was killed at Sandy Hook because America loves guns. A child. Shot to death by a shooter who should never have had access to the guns that killed this child.
Her name was Olivia Engel. She was 6. She is dead.
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In Canada as you suggest below as regulations to emulate.
What is it you are actually lobbying for? 
What is it you are actually lobbying for?
A second Trump term?
...is short-sighted and foolish.
As far as I've seen, mostly the only place where more than one "child" is shot at a time is at school. In 2017 there were 9 school shootings. By my count 12 to 15 children were shot at various schools last year. The Rancho Tehama Reserve shootings included the use of a ghost gun. A gun which the shooter manufactured himself. He was under a restraining order and a court mandate to not possess any firearms. Deputies were called to his home 21 times in 2016 and 2017. Ten months before the shootings this individual was arrested and charged with two felonies, and five misdemeanors.
You'll be happy to know now that as of a few days ago in California, if you make your own gun, you must add a serial number to it.
"Gun-control" laws make illegaller to shoot and kill people. The only real control is self-control.
Have a nice night. 
Logically the violent crime and homicide rates should have also increased dramatically. However they didn’t.
Does this prove that more guns equals less crime? There are a number of other factors in the violent crime and homicide equations that would need to be considered before making that conclusion. However when you consider only the dramatic increase in the number of firearms in our nation there does not appear to be a correlating significant rise in either crime or homicide.
Many predicted a big jump in violent incidents involving firearms if concealed carry laws were passed. However this failed to happen.
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If we eliminated all firearms in our nation by hiring a magician with a wand there is no doubt that gun crime would decrease. Of course that doesn’t mean murders, rapes, home invasions and robberies would also fall dramatically. Mass murders would not end either.
Admittedly there are a lot of factors in the violent crime equation and the number of firearms in civilian hands is just one. For example there is improved law enforcement and the fact that cameras are everywhere today.
Still there is no doubt that violent crime has decreased in our nation while gun sales skyrocketed and most states allow citizens to legally carry firearms.
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The GOP and donors may have blocked government research on firearms but the FBI and the Bureau of Justice gather information on crime rates. If you wish to discuss marginal effects please do so. Name some. It is and most likely will remain my opinion that while it doesn’t seem logical more guns does NOT equal more crime.
I’m not talking about what the GOP or the NRA believe. I have far more faith in the FBI and Bureau of Justice.
In passing I am not saying that our current gun laws do not need any improvement. Far from it.
However I don’t believe the solution to violent crime or even mass murder is as simple as banning certain weapons, confiscating them or limiting magazine capacity. Passing such laws are merely “feel good” measures. The people we elect to represent us are more interested in playing political games with the gun violence issue rather than actually trying to do something about it. Of course that includes both Republicans and Democrats. Gun control has turned in a wedge issue to garner votes.
JANUARY 30, 2018
5 facts about crime in the U.S.
BY JOHN GRAMLICH
Donald Trump made crime fighting an important focus of his campaign for president, and he cited it again during his January 2017 inaugural address. As the administration takes steps to address violence in American communities, here are five facts about crime in the United States.
1) Violent crime in the U.S. has fallen sharply over the past quarter century. The two most commonly cited sources of crime statistics in the U.S. both show a substantial decline in the violent crime rate since it peaked in the early 1990s. One is an annual report by the FBI of serious crimes reported to police in approximately 18,000 jurisdictions around the country. The other is an annual survey of more than 90,000 households conducted by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, which asks Americans ages 12 and older whether they were victims of crime, regardless of whether they reported those crimes to the police.
Using the FBI numbers, the violent crime rate fell 48% between 1993 and 2016. Using the BJS data, the rate fell 74% during that span. (For both studies, 2016 is the most recent full year of data.) It’s important to note that the FBI reported a 7% increase in the violent crime rate between 2014 and 2016, including a 20% rise in the murder rate —from 4.4 to 5.3 murders per 100,000 residents. The BJS figures do not show an increase in the violent crime rate between 2014 and 2016, but they do not count murders. The BJS figures for 2016 also reflect a survey redesign, making it difficult to compare directly to prior years.
2) Property crime has declined significantly over the long term. Like the violent crime rate, the U.S. property crime rate today is far below its peak level. FBI data show that the rate fell 48% between 1993 and 2016, while BJS reports a decline of 66% during that span. Property crime includes offenses such as burglary, theft and motor vehicle theft, and it is generally far more common than violent crime. There was no documented increase in the property crime rate between 2014 and 2016.
3) Public perceptions about crime in the U.S. often don’t align with the data. Opinion surveys regularly find that Americans believe crime is up nationally, even when the data show it is down. In 17 Gallup surveys conducted since 1993, at least six-in-ten Americans said there was more crime in the U.S. compared with the year before, despite the generally downward trend in national violent and property crime rates during much of that period.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/30/5-facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/
Of course firearms sales have absolutely skyrocketed in recent years. The chart below shows background checks but more than one firearm can be bought with one background check.
Just visit https://www.bjs.gov/ or https://ucr.fbi.gov/. Lots on interesting data on those government sites.
In passing European nations may have less gun crime than the United States largely because firearms have never been as common in many of those nations compared with our nation. However that doesn’t mean they are crime free by any means.
Comparing gun violence and crime in the United States with Australia, the UK or Canada is like comparing apples and oranges. For one thing statistics are gathered differently in different nations. However I will take a shot at comparing crime between Europe and the U.S. using the articles posted below.
U.S. vs U.K. - Crime/Murder
There’s this common meme that the U.S. is so much worse than the U.K. in murders or crime, so I wanted to collect a lot of facts in one place.
A common way they mislead people is to compare gun murder rates only, instead of all murder rates. Any time you see someone comparing GUN murder rates, you know they’re a propagandist trying to deceive people.
The trends
Here’s a simple plot of the murder rates over time, for the U.S. (using the FBI’s UCR / Universal Crime Report) and U.K. (using their ONS / Office of National Statistics). And I overlay when they each enacted or removed gun controls. What you notice is:
If you look at the (the blue line): Each time the UK enacted or stiffened their gun control laws, they saw an increase in murder rates. Each new law, had no positive (and some negative) impact or an increase in murder rates. (Crime trends are even worse). (In the 1950’s they outlawed conceal and carry, in the 80’s it was shotguns, and in the late 90’s it was all pistols). So regardless of whether the UK has fewer murders than the US for cultural reasons, we know that gun control didn’t help the UK’s murder rate.
Next if you look at the (the red line): I overlaid (and adjusted) the U.S. murder rates with major gun control events. After JFK was shot, states and eventually the Fed (1968) passed all sorts of gun control laws — and what happened to our murder rates? They doubled from around 5 to 10 per 100K over the next decade, and they hovered there, despite all sorts of state and federal revisions, or more laws (30,000 different state/local/federal gun control laws were passed in total). There was no significant positive effects, and some observable negative ones in the U.S. due to our gun control laws.
Then in the late 80’s Florida passed “Must Issue” conceal and carry and castle doctrine laws were passed, and their crime/murder rates started falling noticeably. Many other states (in the South and Midwest) followed suit, with the same effects in their state murder rates, and eventually enough of those added up to start impacting the federal murder rates noticeably. Then the federal assault weapon ban expired — and if gun control worked, you’d expect an upward spike in murders, but murders trended down. Adding gun control had no positive effects, and removing them had no significant negative effects, in the U.S.!. So if you have the choice of tyranny or liberty, and there's no benefit to tyranny: opt for liberty.
Regardless of whether the UK has fewer murders than the US for cultural reasons, we know that gun control didn’t help the UK or US's murder rate. And in fact, seemed to have the opposite effect. Enacting them seemed to increase murders, and removing those allowed downward murder rates to continue.
http://igeek.com/w/U.S._vs_U.K._-_Crime/Murder
UK is violent crime capital of Europe
The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research.
By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent 7:00AM BST 02 Jul 2009
Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK since Labour came to power.
The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa.
Opposition leaders said the disclosures were a "damning indictment" of the Government's failure to tackle deep-rooted social problems.
The figures combined crime statistics for England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
The UK had a greater number of murders in 2007 than any other EU country – 927 – and at a relative rate higher than most western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
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The figures were sourced from Eurostat, the European Commission's database of statistics. They are gathered using official sources in the countries concerned such as the national statistics office, the national prison administration, ministries of the interior or justice, and police.
A breakdown of the statistics, which were compiled into league tables by the Conservatives, revealed that violent crime in the UK had increased from 652,974 offences in 1998 to more than 1.15 million crimes in 2007.
It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.
Austria is second, with a rate of 1,677 per 100,000 people, followed by Sweden, Belgium, Finland and Holland.
By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population. (emphasis added
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html
Police data shows crime rising at increasing rate in England and Wales
Increase of 13% in 12 months to June comes with even bigger rise in violent offences including knife crime and sexual offences
Alan Travis Home affairs editor
Thu 19 Oct 2017 09.10 EDT
The rise in crime is accelerating, with the latest figures showing a 13% increase in all police-recorded offences across England and Wales, and even greater rises for violent offences including knife crime, sexual offences and violence against the person.
The crime figures show an underlying 8% rise in the murder rate, an increase of 46 victims, with 629 homicides recorded in the 12 months to June, excluding the 35 people killed in the London and Manchester terrorist attacks, and the 96 Hillsborough deaths in 1989, which were included in the headline figures.
The acceleration from a 5% rise in the 12 months to June 2015, to 7% the following year, and 13% in the 12 months to June this year, together with even larger increases in violent crime, will sound alarm bells in Downing Street.
Theresa May might find some comfort in the results of the Crime Survey of England and Wales, which shows a 9% reduction in overall crime but is less effective at providing a good indication of changes in low-volume offences, including most forms of violent crime, or emerging trends.
John Flatley of the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said: “Today’s figures suggest that the police are dealing with a growing volume of crime. While improvements made by police forces in recording crime are still a factor in the increase, we judge that there have been genuine increases in crime, particularly in some of the low-incidence but more harmful categories.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/19/rising-at-increasing-rate-in-england-and-wales-police-figures-show
if you're being sarcastic
but I'll take it!
All the following are unrestricted in Canada:
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...refers to a person younger than puberty. I tend to think of "children" meaning 12 or under. Going with that, my source tells me 277 in 2016. Is the rate really quadrupling or is this a variation in the definition of "child"?
https://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate.html
BTW, if you look on this page you may notice the entries for "firearm" and "non-firearm".
Imagine the CDC having that information and making it available to the public. 
...EVER.
Just some possibilities that I can come up with:
1. A tax credit system - I know some folks who wouldn't be paying any tax for 2 to 3 years.
2. A partnership with retailer - Get a Walmart gift card for your credit. (Walmart will probably limit the amount per month you can use.)
3. A local LE collection program - Bring them in for $50 - 100 gift card. (Not qualifying as "just" per the 4A.)
I can probably think of more but equally illegal/unconstitutional ideas. Many of the banners may have a Josef "Sepp" Dietrich type solution in mind. Or maybe just a Leopold II type "gun free state" enforcement technique. 
