Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumGuns, assault weapons or otherwise.
Guns are seeing a fair amount of controversy just now. Judge Roger of San Diego decided his state's AWB is unconstitutional. The folks at ATF have stepped up with some proposed regulations for a few reasons having to do with things like 3D printers and 80% receivers but also because some guns today, for instance ARs and Glocks don't exactly fit the classic regulation definition of a gun.
IMO an assault weapon ban is rather meaningless and waste of political effort. This is a mini14, a ranch rifle:
https://www.ruger.com/products/mini14RanchRifle/specSheets/5816.html < link to manufactures site >
IMO this isn't an assault weapon nor an assault rifle. It fires the same ammo as an AR-15 at the same speed an AR can fire it.
Functional differences escape me. But then I don't think about modern rifles in the same way the Amish think about cars.
YMB
(63 posts)has basically lost all meaning (or never had one to begin with) and just comes down to how someone interprets a firearm, usually from their own emotional state. Its not like a defined definition like what an Assault Rifle is (select fire rifle). During the AWB of 1994 you had it mean two definite elements (semi-auto with detachable magazine) in combination of two other aspects (like compensator, adjustable stock, heat shields ect.). Then you had other states give their own interpretation of including only one of those other aspects or states that says it need to have 3 of those other aspects. Now you have the upcoming ATF nominee saying it only needs to have the original definite elements which if that were the case then 90% of ALL guns would fall under that definition.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,593 posts)"Assault Weapon" - This never had a deterministic meaning. Having a precise vocabulary and terminology ought to be important in all legal matters. Marketing, both favoring gun sales and advocating gun restrictions, have misused the term to point of it having no meaning at all.
"Assault Rifle" - This has originally, back to WWII at least, a well defined meaning which has been widely accepted by governments and industry.
Aside from the futile attempts to manufacture terms, how do you feel about restrictions in general but specifically about long guns?
I'm mostly thinking rifles here but feel free to say something about shotguns.
The Mouth
(3,297 posts)That's what makes it an assault weapon, you know.....
yagotme
(3,918 posts)If I hit someone on the head with a hammer, at the rate of 60 strikes a minute, should I register my hammer as an assault weapon?
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)But I know several roofing company's that would be willing to hire you.
LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)This isnt a laughing matter.
You all put so much stock in your guns, assault weapons or otherwise, you fail to realize the mind is the most powerful weapon. You dont need a gun to defend your home from an intruder. Its your home for gods sake! Use what you got around you and save your life and the life of the suspect.
What about the kitchen? I practically live in the kitchen. Just the other day I was making a meal and had all sorts of stuff that could be used to disable an attacker without killing them and way more effective than fetishists and their guns. I had the pots and pans around me, the poker to turn the meat, or how about the couple of double tall cans of Bushs baked beans I had near me? I dont know about gun nutters but when I chuck shit, it lands square where Im aiming.
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)with a crock pot? Seriously?
On the other hand, I am (despite my disabilities) perfectly capable of putting multiple rounds into a small target at short range with a Scorpion 9mm braced pistol. But by all means, please explain how a can of beans is a superior self defense tool.
Just when you think you've seen it all.....
LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)It doesnt have to be a can of beans. You dont like a can of beans, ok. It aint for all. Most everyone has a can or two of na nice hearty soup lying around.
You telln me you cant chuck that at an intruder?
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)All things considered, though, I'll stick with firearms for self defense.
LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)Itll do you a lot of good. You chuck that hearty soup at an intruder, theyll think youre so goddamn crazy for throwing beans at them instead of shooting them theyll run away.
Chuck a bean, save a life.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,593 posts)BTW there's no real bait on that hook.
LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)Gotta liven it up a bit.
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)If you think we don't get much action here, though, you need to check out Castle Bansalot. Nothing but the same few posters saying "Ditto!" to one another while mocking posters who aren't allowed to participate there.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,593 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)I thought only Canadian lawyers spelled it that way.
Like nails on a chalkboard.
Defense
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,593 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,593 posts)Basic (2003)
Sgt. Nathan West: What is your weapon... your weapon, man, your weapon? What keeps you alive and makes the other guy die? What- is- your- weapon? It's your brain Mr Pike, your noggin your noodle, your smarts, your gray matter, your poise under fire, your wits, when all about you are losing theirs. I think you came to this party unarmed Mr Pike.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0264395/quotes?item=qt3274852