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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,593 posts)
Sat Jun 5, 2021, 07:30 PM Jun 2021

Guns, assault weapons or otherwise.

Guns are seeing a fair amount of controversy just now. Judge Roger of San Diego decided his state's AWB is unconstitutional. The folks at ATF have stepped up with some proposed regulations for a few reasons having to do with things like 3D printers and 80% receivers but also because some guns today, for instance ARs and Glocks don't exactly fit the classic regulation definition of a gun.

IMO an assault weapon ban is rather meaningless and waste of political effort. This is a mini14, a ranch rifle:
https://www.ruger.com/products/mini14RanchRifle/specSheets/5816.html < link to manufactures site >

IMO this isn't an assault weapon nor an assault rifle. It fires the same ammo as an AR-15 at the same speed an AR can fire it.
Functional differences escape me. But then I don't think about modern rifles in the same way the Amish think about cars.

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Guns, assault weapons or otherwise. (Original Post) discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2021 OP
"Assault Weapon" YMB Jun 2021 #1
Just my opinions discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2021 #4
But does it have that "Shoulder Thing that goes up? The Mouth Jun 2021 #2
"Assault weapon." yagotme Jun 2021 #3
I really don't know about that. oneshooter Jul 2021 #5
A lot of laughing and giggling in this thread. Pretty sickening. LiberatedUSA Jul 2021 #6
I'm a 59 year old diabetic cancer survivor with Parkison's, and I'm supposed to take out an intruder Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #7
Well now, hold on. LiberatedUSA Jul 2021 #8
I could certainly chuck a can of soup at an intruder, for all the good it would do. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #11
But you're not thinking it through. LiberatedUSA Jul 2021 #12
So what? You've been reading about Ed Silk? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2021 #13
This place doesn't get a lot of action. LiberatedUSA Jul 2021 #14
I was beginning to suspect someone's tongue was firmly in their cheek. Dial H For Hero Jul 2021 #15
Oh discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2021 #16
You and Hoyt should get together and run a "Homestyle Defence" course. n/t oneshooter Jul 2021 #9
Hey now. LiberatedUSA Jul 2021 #10
I didn't know you've been around that long. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2021 #17
Sam Jackson as Sgt West in Basic: discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2021 #18
Just so happens what I have around me is a P-09 ileus Aug 2021 #19
 

YMB

(63 posts)
1. "Assault Weapon"
Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:13 AM
Jun 2021

has basically lost all meaning (or never had one to begin with) and just comes down to how someone interprets a firearm, usually from their own emotional state. Its not like a defined definition like what an Assault Rifle is (select fire rifle). During the AWB of 1994 you had it mean two definite elements (semi-auto with detachable magazine) in combination of two other aspects (like compensator, adjustable stock, heat shields ect.). Then you had other states give their own interpretation of including only one of those other aspects or states that says it need to have 3 of those other aspects. Now you have the upcoming ATF nominee saying it only needs to have the original definite elements which if that were the case then 90% of ALL guns would fall under that definition.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,593 posts)
4. Just my opinions
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 01:49 PM
Jul 2021

"Assault Weapon" - This never had a deterministic meaning. Having a precise vocabulary and terminology ought to be important in all legal matters. Marketing, both favoring gun sales and advocating gun restrictions, have misused the term to point of it having no meaning at all.

"Assault Rifle" - This has originally, back to WWII at least, a well defined meaning which has been widely accepted by governments and industry.

Aside from the futile attempts to manufacture terms, how do you feel about restrictions in general but specifically about long guns?
I'm mostly thinking rifles here but feel free to say something about shotguns.

yagotme

(3,918 posts)
3. "Assault weapon."
Mon Jun 7, 2021, 12:21 PM
Jun 2021

If I hit someone on the head with a hammer, at the rate of 60 strikes a minute, should I register my hammer as an assault weapon?

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
5. I really don't know about that.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 06:40 PM
Jul 2021

But I know several roofing company's that would be willing to hire you.

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
6. A lot of laughing and giggling in this thread. Pretty sickening.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 07:33 PM
Jul 2021

This isn’t a laughing matter.

You all put so much stock in your “guns, assault weapons or otherwise”, you fail to realize the mind is the most powerful weapon. You don’t need a gun to defend your home from an intruder. It’s your home for god’s sake! Use what you got around you and save your life and the life of the suspect.

What about the kitchen? I practically live in the kitchen. Just the other day I was making a meal and had all sorts of stuff that could be used to disable an attacker without killing them and way more effective than fetishists and their guns. I had the pots and pans around me, the poker to turn the meat, or how about the couple of double tall cans of Bush’s baked beans I had near me? I don’t know about gun nutters but when I chuck shit, it lands square where I’m aiming.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
7. I'm a 59 year old diabetic cancer survivor with Parkison's, and I'm supposed to take out an intruder
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 08:12 PM
Jul 2021

with a crock pot? Seriously?

On the other hand, I am (despite my disabilities) perfectly capable of putting multiple rounds into a small target at short range with a Scorpion 9mm braced pistol. But by all means, please explain how a can of beans is a superior self defense tool.

Just when you think you've seen it all.....

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
8. Well now, hold on.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 08:20 PM
Jul 2021

It doesn’t have to be a can of beans. You don’t like a can of beans, ok. It ain’t for all. Most everyone has a can or two of na nice hearty soup lying around.

You tell’n me you can’t chuck that at an intruder?

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
11. I could certainly chuck a can of soup at an intruder, for all the good it would do.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 09:09 PM
Jul 2021

All things considered, though, I'll stick with firearms for self defense.

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
12. But you're not thinking it through.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 09:14 PM
Jul 2021

It’ll do you a lot of good. You chuck that hearty soup at an intruder, they’ll think you’re so goddamn crazy for throwing beans at them instead of shooting them they’ll run away.

Chuck a bean, save a life.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
15. I was beginning to suspect someone's tongue was firmly in their cheek.
Sun Jul 18, 2021, 10:01 PM
Jul 2021

If you think we don't get much action here, though, you need to check out Castle Bansalot. Nothing but the same few posters saying "Ditto!" to one another while mocking posters who aren't allowed to participate there.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,593 posts)
18. Sam Jackson as Sgt West in Basic:
Mon Jul 19, 2021, 08:22 AM
Jul 2021

Basic (2003)

Sgt. Nathan West: What is your weapon... your weapon, man, your weapon? What keeps you alive and makes the other guy die? What- is- your- weapon? It's your brain Mr Pike, your noggin your noodle, your smarts, your gray matter, your poise under fire, your wits, when all about you are losing theirs. I think you came to this party unarmed Mr Pike.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0264395/quotes?item=qt3274852

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