Here's another 2nd Amendment success story....

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[AllyCat]

1. The people on birdsite responding to this are mad

This loser is tied to 2A.

If not for that, how would he stockpile 50-60 weapons in his room?

What a sad society we are.

[czarjak]

2. They're everywhere too.

[IronLionZion]

3. Mass murder shouldn't be a tool of population control

The wife and kids and grandkids shouldn't have to pay the ultimate price for freedom.

[Maine Abu El Banat]

4. Profiles in Cowardice

[The Jungle 1]

5. Repeal the 2nd!

Reagan signed the Mulford act as governor of California in 1967. The act ended open carry in California. So don't tell me we can't have gun regulation.
"By the standards of today, Ronald Reagan was a traitor to the Second Amendment," Lopez said. The delegate added about Reagan, "As president, he banned ownership of fully automatic rifles. He supported the assault weapons ban..."
The treasonous orange blob would give speeches to the NRA and guns were banned at the events!

The interesting part of the Mulford act is why it was passed. Black men, Black Panthers were walking around with guns to protect their neighborhoods. The nation was outraged. It was OK to let Black men carry guns in Vietnam but not here at home. Oh no that is over the line.

If I thought the war was going to bring freedom and equality to 22 million of my people they wouldn't have to draft me, I'd join tomorrow. But I either have to obey the laws of the land or the laws of Allah. I have nothing to lose by standing up for my beliefs. So I'll go to jail. Ali

“I ain't got no quarrel with those Vietcong.” Ali

[TexasDem69]

7. We can have gun control

And don’t need to repeal the Second Amendment to do so. And repeal isn’t going to happen any time soon. Essentially impossible at this stage.

[The Jungle 1]

8. No we cannot have gun control the right will not allow it.

In fact the right is actively weakening the gun control we have.
Many Americans say we can't repeal the 2nd, but they offer no solution that will work.
Guns are the number 1 cause of death for children in this nation. I say stop saying no and do something.
This is like the right saying they have a healthcare plan for America. They also do not have a gun control plan.

[TexasDem69]

9. Whether the right

Is preventing gun control is a completely different issue than whether the 2d Amendment should be repealed. The 2d Amendment permits all sorts of gun control, just not complete bans on ownership.

[The Jungle 1]

10. Americans are dying and the right is standing firmly in the way.

A movement to repeal the 2nd is a political move to force gun manufactures / the right to the table.
Could the 2nd be repealed? Yes it could. It is up to the voters and a vast majority of voters want gun control. We want the bloody mutilations to stop yet the right will not allow any reasonable law to stand. States with lax gun laws (like Texas) have much higher gun violence numbers
Universal background checks, bans on violent offenders purchasing guns, and “may-issue” laws (which give police discretion in issuing concealed-carry permits) are laws I support.
What laws would you support? How do you think we can end the blood splatter?
Just so we are on the same page I have a safe full of guns and a range on my property
However there was a bloody mass murder 100 yards from my bedroom. Bullets flying everywhere. My guns did me no good at all. I have a carry permit and I am probably putting myself and family at higher risk by carrying the gun!

This is an important issue and needs more public debate.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

11. re: "A movement to repeal the 2nd is a political move..."

I'm fairly sure there are currently more than one movement to repeal the 2A.
A search engine would likely turn up some.

I'm not seeing much in the way of political momentum. I agree that there is work to be done but asking folks to use their time and skills to fuel a train that doesn't leave the station only generates frustration. I'm not seeing either the Constitutional Convention path or finding 34 states bringing an amendment that 38 states will pass.

In the realm of the possible:
UBCs- would make a lot of sense once the database is complete enough.
- Current federal reasons for being a prohibited person:
~A person who has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year or any state offense classified by the state as a misdemeanor and is punishable by a term of imprisonment of more than two years.
~Persons who are fugitives from justice.
~An unlawful user and/or an addict of any controlled substance; for example, a person convicted for the use or possession of a controlled substance within the past year; or a person with multiple arrests for the use or possession of a controlled substance within the past five years with the most recent arrest occurring within the past year; or a person found through a drug test to use a controlled substance unlawfully, provided the test was administered within the past year.
~A person adjudicated mental defective or involuntarily committed to a mental institution or incompetent to handle own affairs, including dispositions to criminal charges of found not guilty by reason of insanity or found incompetent to stand trial.
~A person who, being an alien, is illegally or unlawfully in the United States.
~A person who, being an alien except as provided in subsection (y) (2), has been admitted to the United States under a non-immigrant visa.
~A person dishonorably discharged from the United States Armed Forces.
~A person who has renounced United States citizenship.
~The subject of a protective order issued after a hearing in which the respondent had notice that restrains them from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such partner. This does not include ex parte orders.
~A person convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime which includes the use or attempted use of physical force or threatened use of a deadly weapon and the defendant was the spouse, former spouse, parent, guardian of the victim, by a person with whom the victim shares a child in common, by a person who is cohabiting with or has cohabited in the past with the victim as a spouse, parent, guardian or similar situation to a spouse, parent or guardian of the victim.
~A person who is under indictment or information for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year.

bans on violent offenders purchasing guns- We have that now. See the above list. Fixing the inputs to the database would help a lot.

may-issue laws- I'm not a fan of arbitrary laws and restrictions. These types of laws have been going away. In terms of states carry laws, may-issue states have been decreasing in number over the last 30 years. I believe there are now 26 states that require no license or permit at all to carry; if you pass the check to buy the gun you can carry the gun.

I support instantly opening the NICS to local LE for the purpose of allowing private sellers to have their buyers checked.
I'm not a fan of open carry and I like a state issued permit for concealed carry.

[The Jungle 1]

12. You have made a extensive list of reasons to be denied gun ownership. Thanks

Clearly, even with these laws, we do not have enough control of guns in this country.
When the mass murder happens right next door you start to question things. Things like do citizens really need AR style guns. Why do I need 15 round clips. Should 18 year olds be allowed to buy guns. Why doesn't the NRA allow people to carry guns in their DC building?
A clear majority of Americans want more gun control. Why can't our majority win the day.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

13. Thanks for the dialog.

That list isn't mine. The list is from the FBI who maintain the NICS database: https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-entries-in-the-nics-indices-as-of-january-3-2023.pdf/view

I suggest that laws and restrictions may not be the complete answer. Clearly the NICS should have reliable means to collect data for inclusion.

Should 18 year olds be allowed to buy ALL types of guns? I'm not sure.

I just searched the web and found information saying that the NRA HQ in Fairfax, VA and the adjacent range allows employees and visitors to carry on the premises. I have read that the venues where they hold events are in control of firearms restrictions and many do not allow guns or weapons.

I seriously don't really care what the NRA does or doesn't do since they are part of the problem.

The US is a Constitutional Republic. We have elected representatives draft and pass our laws. We are not based on the practice of legislative supremacy. The final word on the legitimacy of a law is the US Supreme Court. Why can't a majority of Americans emplace more effective gun laws? I don't know any more than I know why and odious and objectionable critter like trump couldn't be prevented from taking office.

As the saying goes, pure Democracy can be two wolves and chicken voting on what to have for lunch, or something like that.

[The Jungle 1]

14. Calm dialog is valuable.

The NRA headquarters does allow guns in their headquarters.

I have no faith that any justice will come from the current SCOTUS. Their recent rulings are disturbing. They are set to consider if people accused of domestic violence have a right to own firearms. I bet they allow it.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

15. Such is the consequences...

...of trump.

[Paladin]

6. Got the beard, got the scowl, got the traitor flags...

What could possibly go wrong?