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Stinky The Clown

(68,461 posts)
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 07:24 PM Apr 2012

I'd like to address the members of this group about the locked thread

I was the person who made the alert that led to the hiding of this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12206664

I may have been wrong. If you think I was, then I was, and I will own that.

Please allow me to share the background.

I am a MIRT member. Our job is to stop malicious intruders (MIs) and spammers (MIs, too, but of a different sort). Our job is NOT to police the boards and certainly not to police the small groups like this one.

We have access to all new sign-ups to DU. We routinely look at each and every one of them. We have a direct link to their latest posts (but not any earlier ones). In this case, I looked at the new poster, bschwartz. The poster's first post appeared as spam. It certainly fit the profile of a newer spam form, which is a pseudo-personal story wrapped around a link to a commercial site or service. On that basis, I banned the new member, bschwartz and reported that back to the MIRT.

Upon reporting that, another MIRT member (doesn't matter who), checked behind me and asked if the OP, which was formatted similarly to the now deleted post, was also spam. I had not checked the context of the first post and therefore didn't see the OP, or for that matter, did I pay any attention to the group in which it was posted.

I saw the post appeared to follow the same pattern as the now deleted thread, but also saw the post count of the poster was too high to unilaterally PPR. So I alerted on the post, with ToS checked.

That sent it to a jury and a jury voted to hide it. That sent it back to MIRT. Since then it has been a hot MIRT topic. I've read all the comments discussing the locked thread and have decided I was in error.

I am here all on my own. I'm not representing MIRT as no one asked me to do this.

Since I think I was in error, I ask for the forgiveness of this group in general, and particularly from the OP, findrskeep, for getting your thread locked.

I don't know if it is possible to unlock it, but it is certainly possible to start the thread again.

I hope you'll forgive me. I am sorry this happened.

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I'd like to address the members of this group about the locked thread (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 OP
Thank you for being so forthright, Stinky MorningGlow Apr 2012 #1
hey Stinky! Howler Apr 2012 #2
Thank you for explaining the background to this situation. kentauros Apr 2012 #3
I don't usually come here, but I wanted to thank Stinky for making this post cbayer Apr 2012 #4
I Agree with EVERYTHING cBayer said!!! Howler Apr 2012 #6
Thank you Stinky for explaining things to everyone here... icymist Apr 2012 #5
I didn't get one either, Icymist mysticalchick Apr 2012 #11
only SOP violations go to the hosts maddezmom Apr 2012 #16
can you help a novice out with a few definitions? orleans Apr 2012 #23
sure maddezmom Apr 2012 #24
thanks for this orleans Apr 2012 #29
Dear Stinky, findrskeep Apr 2012 #7
Thank you. I'm really sorry this happened. Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 #12
I believe that you will find this group a really forgiving bunch Stinky. icymist Apr 2012 #13
You so deserve a big hug... OneGrassRoot Apr 2012 #26
I second that! kentauros Apr 2012 #30
This entire thing is a bunch of crap Ricochet21 Apr 2012 #8
I was thinking the same exact thing findrskeep Apr 2012 #9
you CANNOT hide from Neptune Ricochet21 Apr 2012 #18
Nuff said. DeSwiss Apr 2012 #32
Thanks Stinky rosesaylavee Apr 2012 #10
I would also like to apologize... cyberswede Apr 2012 #14
You are so Cool CyberSwede!!! Howler Apr 2012 #15
I agree with Howler Ricochet21 Apr 2012 #19
Thank you for posting Cyberswede findrskeep Apr 2012 #17
I missed you when I posted downthread. It was not an intended slight. davsand Apr 2012 #21
THANK YOU for coming in here and talking to us--ALL of you!! davsand Apr 2012 #20
Thanks Stinky. Cleita Apr 2012 #22
this has to be a record for the most positivity for a closed topic and mea culpa i've ever seen NuttyFluffers Apr 2012 #25
So totally agree with you! Delphinus Apr 2012 #28
Wow! Thank you Stinky and Cyberswede! magical thyme Apr 2012 #27
That was very brave, Stinky BlueToTheBone Apr 2012 #31
Well said. kimmerspixelated Apr 2012 #33
This what I love about this group sandyshoes17 Apr 2012 #34

MorningGlow

(15,758 posts)
1. Thank you for being so forthright, Stinky
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 07:29 PM
Apr 2012

This helps tremendously. Mainly we were all wondering what prompted the hiding of the OP (the spam post was pretty self explanatory) and you have explained yourself well. It sounds like a simple misunderstanding. I do hope that Findrskeep will be allowed to repost--we value her talents, information, and offer.

Thanks again.

Howler

(4,225 posts)
2. hey Stinky!
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 07:37 PM
Apr 2012

No problem! It was all just a misunderstanding then.
Thank you so much for your post !!! It is much appreciated!!!
And Thank you for all that you do on D.U. I love you're posts though you are not posting as much any more.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
3. Thank you for explaining the background to this situation.
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 07:43 PM
Apr 2012

And while I can forgive you for the actions, I think we need to hear from findrskeep, too, or you do, anyway

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
4. I don't usually come here, but I wanted to thank Stinky for making this post
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 07:50 PM
Apr 2012

and for the amazing job he does on the MIRT and to express my respect for him.

MIRT is a big group with a tough job and we are learning as a group all the time. Overall, I think the team does an amazing job and working with this team is probably one of the best jobs on DU. But the process is new and we sometimes learn by trial and error.

There is no question that this was an honest mis-step, and Stinky had support from other MIRT members. I don't think anyone could really know what the ramifications might be.

So, I know that I for one have learned something here and I have nothing but deep respect for those that step up to the plate and take responsibility.

Thanks Stinky. And thanks to the ASAH members who approached this so civilly and rationally with the only goal being to get it resolved.

cbayer
(the ex-mod who nuked herself.....
twice)

:slowlearner:

icymist

(15,888 posts)
5. Thank you Stinky for explaining things to everyone here...
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 07:51 PM
Apr 2012

Geesh! What in the world happened?! I come home from my exausting midnight job and elect to sleep right off and when I wake up I find this? Since I'm one of the Hosts of this group I'm wondering why there wasn't an alert in my mailbox? Could somebody please PM me and fill me in?

mysticalchick

(1,086 posts)
11. I didn't get one either, Icymist
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 08:05 PM
Apr 2012

Isn't it set up to notify hosts? if not, perhaps that could be considered for future builds.

Stinky, thanks for your kind explanation. It's much appreciated.

(BTW, you always write the best subject lines - many's the time I've been sucked into reading your posts on that alone! Good work and also too: damn! where'd you learn that mad skill?)

Lisa
One of the forum hosts

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
16. only SOP violations go to the hosts
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 08:39 PM
Apr 2012

this was a alerted as a TOS violation so it went to the jury. Hope that helps.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
24. sure
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 06:15 AM
Apr 2012

MIRT is the Malicious Intruder Removal team and here are a few links for a description:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10131353
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=modsystem#mirteam



SOP is the Statement of Purpose for a group or a forum. You can find each SOP by clicking


here is the one for this group
Statement of Purpose
Positively explore issues having to do with Astrology, metaphysics & spirituality, homeopathy/alternative medicine and healing, Ascension, and other subjects having to do with holistic physical and spiritual growth & traditions.


TOS is Terms of Service which you can find here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

Hope that helps.

orleans

(34,967 posts)
29. thanks for this
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 12:03 PM
Apr 2012

it just seems so much more complicated than before when we could hit alert and send a note to one of the mods.

findrskeep

(713 posts)
7. Dear Stinky,
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 08:00 PM
Apr 2012

Thank you so much for taking the time to explain the "behind the scenes" goings on of how this happened. This clears it up and hopefully if anything good comes of this, it will make those responsible for policing DU pause to take a breath and just think for a minute before just deciding to lock a post, send it to a jury, ban a member and whatever else it is that job entails. Of course I forgive you and thank you for speaking up, you're my kind of clown .

Stinky The Clown

(68,461 posts)
12. Thank you. I'm really sorry this happened.
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 08:06 PM
Apr 2012

I have asked the powers that be if they can unlock your thread. It may actually not be possible, but I've asked.

You may also want to repost it. I promise it won't get alerted - at least not by me!

Again, I'm really sorry.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
13. I believe that you will find this group a really forgiving bunch Stinky.
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 08:20 PM
Apr 2012

It goes with unconditional Love and that we are all parts of the same group. Love conquers all and we all surely wish to conquer the Republicans this Fall. Thank you for all the hard work that you and the other MIRT members do to protect the DU.

Ricochet21

(3,794 posts)
8. This entire thing is a bunch of crap
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 08:00 PM
Apr 2012

we all know what the truth is here, and who is real.
carry the truth, Neptune is showing it to us
bless you Finders....

Ricochet21

(3,794 posts)
18. you CANNOT hide from Neptune
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 09:48 PM
Apr 2012

no one
no country
we ARE being stripped naked in order to show ourselves as we really are
if we are mature about it, we will learn
if we are childish about it, we will sink fast
it's really very simple
it's a blessing
yea finders!

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
14. I would also like to apologize...
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 08:28 PM
Apr 2012

because I think one of my posts may have sparked this whole thing.

I read bschwartz's post, but did not act on it or bring it to the MIRT group, because I wasn't sure it was spam (it seemed like a reasonable response to the OP - an alternative, if you will).

Once bschwartz's post was deleted as spam, I wondered why it was considered spam if the OP was not, so I posted the following in MIRT group (sorry, can't link to it):

cyberswede
4. Would that OP be considered spam?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12206664

I read bschwartz's post, and then I read the thread. The OP is linking to an online psychic reading website, and bschwartz's post replied and provided a link to a different psychic reading website.


So, I think Stinky's action was based on my poorly communicated post - the fault is mine.

I'm terribly sorry about this, and I hope I can be forgiven.


Howler

(4,225 posts)
15. You are so Cool CyberSwede!!!
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 08:37 PM
Apr 2012

Thank you for doing your job!!!
And thank you for being so honest and open minded enough to post this!!!
I understand you guys have alot on your plates and alot of traffic through alot of sub groups sooooo no worries! We all are getting to know each other better.
It all takes time. and we are a pretty self sufficient group that rarely warrants monitoring LOL! We treat each other really well!
You ROCK!!!!

findrskeep

(713 posts)
17. Thank you for posting Cyberswede
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 09:17 PM
Apr 2012

and really clarifying what happened. I forgive you, it was all just a big misunderstanding but I'm sure some good will come out it, it already is!! Lots of light being shed on a topic today that normally would fall by the wayside for many of the readers of these threads. It's all good!

davsand

(13,428 posts)
21. I missed you when I posted downthread. It was not an intended slight.
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 10:33 PM
Apr 2012

I'm not being flip, here, but sh*t happens. No blame for you here.

You are giving a part of yourself and your energy to this community, and I think you should be celebrated for doing so. Thank you!



Laura

davsand

(13,428 posts)
20. THANK YOU for coming in here and talking to us--ALL of you!!
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 10:29 PM
Apr 2012

Stinky, you were doing a job--a volunteer job at that. No heartache here--it is what it is and we all move on together. You remain one of my favorite non-creepy clowns!

To the hosts here, I had no idea that I was violating any sort of protocol by not contacting you guys directly. Mea Culpa. No slight was intended, I assure you. Again, you are doing a volunteer job and I deeply appreciate the gift of time and energy you give us all.

To all who have come here with an intent to sooth raw nerves, bless you. This caring and sharing is what made the original DU such a wonderful community--such a haven--when we all needed one terribly. We are not a pack of rabid animals eating the young, we are a group of like minded people who maybe have differences of opinions on specific things. I've seen the phrase "herding cats" applied in this context before, but given the general lack of civility in not just the political arenas, but also life in general, I have to say seeing this kind of response does much to refresh my overall faith in the whole system.

Peace to you all.



Laura

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
22. Thanks Stinky.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 12:16 AM
Apr 2012

I was one of the jurors who voted to LEAVE IT ALONE, but I was overruled. Hopefully, the poster will start the thread again.

NuttyFluffers

(6,811 posts)
25. this has to be a record for the most positivity for a closed topic and mea culpa i've ever seen
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:07 AM
Apr 2012

obviously it must mean this place is special.
(and since i'm on here, i must be special, too )

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
27. Wow! Thank you Stinky and Cyberswede!
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:32 AM
Apr 2012

Of course you are forgiven, Stinky. You and Cyberswede were both just doing what you thought was the right thing. Thank you for straightening this out for us.

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
31. That was very brave, Stinky
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 02:42 PM
Apr 2012

We are a different breed/sort in this forum. We put the woo in woohoo and bring light and help to this dark and dreary world. Drop by sometimes to get a new perspective on life. This world is filled with mystery and wonder and we ask "muggle" tolerance. I hope that you have resurrected bschwartz from the wherever. Namaste

sandyshoes17

(657 posts)
34. This what I love about this group
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 07:14 PM
Apr 2012

We don't get angry and snipe at people. We get it out in the open, discuss, forgive and move on. I love it!

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