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Buckeye_Democrat

(15,042 posts)
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 12:48 PM Sep 2022

Questions about Catholic "Marians".

Are most Catholics considered Marians, seeking salvation from Jesus by expressing their devotion to Mother Mary, or are they mostly a minority among Catholics?

I seem unable to find statistics online about it, and it's quite possible that my ignorance about Catholics in general makes it a dumb question in the first place.

My early childhood neighborhood was kind of bizarre because my Methodist parents moved into a new middle-class housing development of suburban Dayton OH in the early 1970's, and it was mostly inhabited by Catholics from Pittsburgh with men working at GM. So when I brought up the Cincinnati Reds / Pittsburgh Pirates NL Championship series to some kids at our local elementary school in 1979, for example, I was so surprised to hear most of them say that they hoped the Pirates would win it. (Which they did, and I only later learned those kids' families had recently moved to the area from Pittsburgh.) I suspect that most of those former Pittsburgh families moved to Dayton to continue working in a union at GM after lay-offs at Pittsburgh steel mills, moving en masse to a new neighborhood instead of finding used homes scattered around the Dayton area, but I didn't ask those kinds of questions as a child.

Anyway, ALL of those Pittsburgh families were Catholic. And when I attended their local church with a young Catholic friend and his family a few times, for whatever reason, it seemed so strange to me that I rarely heard the word "Jesus" at all. Instead, "Mother Mary" was mostly mentioned by the priest and the congregation during various rituals.

Those childhood memories came back to me recently, so I looked up Catholics who focus on Mary. That's when I first saw "Marians" described, and I also noticed that there seemed to be several Marian churches around Pittsburgh such as this one:
https://diopitt.org/to-jesus-through-mary

I've been a long-time atheist, so I certainly don't have any opinions about anyone worshipping the "right way" or "wrong way". I'm just curious if there's indeed some big differences in Catholic churches, with me only experiencing a particularly Mary-focused one as a kid.

Thanks!

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Irish_Dem

(57,527 posts)
1. I was raised Catholic and we didn't carry on about "Jesus."
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 12:54 PM
Sep 2022

When referring to Him, we said "Christ."
But we didn't go on about it like the Protestants do.

He was just a part of the Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.

Yes there is a devotion to the Blessed Mother for sure.
Which I still hold to this day. My go to prayer is a Hail Mary.

But she is not the deity per se.

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,042 posts)
2. So that's pretty common at all Catholic churches...
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 01:03 PM
Sep 2022

... then? Thanks!

It just seemed odd to me at the time because of my experiences at my parents' Methodist church. It was a pretty liberal church compared to most, by the way, and the sermons were more akin to academic lectures than other Protestant churches that I later observed. No faith-healings, speaking in tongues, or the other "strange" (to me) stuff.

But the minister was indeed focused on Jesus, and the virgin Mary was only rarely mentioned. The sermons were mostly about various scriptures attributed to Jesus, and then the minister would try to demonstrate how they still pertained to our current lives. And it was more "good deeds" focused than other Protestant churches that I witnessed too.

Irish_Dem

(57,527 posts)
4. Oh I cannot speak for other Catholics. Or current ones.
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 01:12 PM
Sep 2022

This is back in the day when I was growing up.

I have been somewhat horrified when I attend Protestant services with friends from time to time.

It seems like blasphemy to me.

All this constant talk about "Jesus" in this very personal, overly familiar way.
Like they know the guy personally or something.

And call him by his first name.

And the services are so casual.

Actually I am most comfortable in reformed Jewish services on Friday night.
Wonderful sermons, and the correct amount of reverence, respect and meaningful interaction.
Wonderful religious music, soul inspiring prayers.

I do miss the Blessed Mother however.

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,042 posts)
7. As a child, I was more confused by the apparent...
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 01:26 PM
Sep 2022

... focus on the Virgin Mary at the local Catholic church, since most of the New Testament was about Jesus. I was thinking, "There's not much in the Bible about Mary and what she professed, so why is she the focus?"

My parents' church didn't have a minister regularly yelling "Jeee-sus!" in a Southern twang, or anything like that.

His sermons would've probably been considered dull to some Protestants, who seem to need regular stimulation beyond singing a few hymns in between. The first time that I went to a different Protestant church (also with a childhood friend and his family), I was shocked to hear congregants regularly screaming "Hallelujah!" and whatnot. I was thinking, "How rude! Just keep your mouths shut and listen to the sermon." But that kind of behavior was actually encouraged there, of course.

Irish_Dem

(57,527 posts)
10. We didn't study the Bible in Catholic School when I attended.
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 02:24 PM
Sep 2022

So we didn't think about this or that testament.

In most Catholic Churches when I was young, the Blessed Mother had her own side altar, and you can pray and light candles. It is a favorite altar. But Christ has the main altar.

Before Covid I would occasionally go to church with a neighbor, a megachurch, huge attendance.
People loved it. Lots of rock music, funny videos, hilarious sermons sounding like stand up comedy by the minister.
Lots of "Jaysus" talk. Closing eyes and holding hands to pray.

I am not putting it down in the least, yes it was shocking to me, but I recognize every faith does things differently.

Irish_Dem

(57,527 posts)
6. The priests would talk about Christ stories, the parables, etc.
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 01:19 PM
Sep 2022

But we didn't really study the Bible like the Protestants do.

Peregrine Took

(7,503 posts)
3. Well said. As a lifelong Catholic I agree with you. My dad had a special devotion to "Blessed
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 01:05 PM
Sep 2022

Mother" but never worshipped her. Prayed to her to intercede with her Son for a special cause.

Irish_Dem

(57,527 posts)
5. Yes the Blessed Mother is not worshipped as God.
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 01:17 PM
Sep 2022

We have a deep respect, admiration, devotion to her.

We ask for her help because she knows what it is like to lose a child in the most horrific way.
She gave birth to a child and raised him to be one of the most important humans on the planet.

I think people like her because she is strong feminine energy.

CurtEastPoint

(19,182 posts)
9. Intercessory prayer is what it is. And you see/hear it all the time. "Please pray for xxx"
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 02:23 PM
Sep 2022

It's no different than if I were in need and I asked you all to pray for me.
We ask Mary to intercede, to put in a 'good word' for us, to pray to God for us.

Irish_Dem

(57,527 posts)
12. Yes asking a saint to pray for us. As a child, I thought Mary could pull some strings for me.
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 02:29 PM
Sep 2022

Actually I still do.

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shrike3

(5,370 posts)
17. What Shenmue said.
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 11:07 PM
Sep 2022

Why non-Catholics (and non-believers) feel free to pop in here (they do it regularly) on a whim I do not know, particularly since they'd be quite offended, I'm sure, if non-atheists did the same.

This is a safe haven group. It is for us. Please satisfy curiosity elsewhere.
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