'After prayerful consideration,' KC-area Catholic school kicks boy out to punish his mom

[nightwing1240]

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Will Muller, a rising sixth grader at St. John LaLande Catholic School in Blue Springs, has been kicked out — “disenrolled” after much prayer, according to a July 19 letter from the principal, Susan Martin. This is not because Will, who is 11, was struggling academically or did anything wrong. On the contrary, “he’s an ‘A’ student,” said the mother of a classmate, and liked by everybody. “My son would say he’s the only one who never talks or gets in any trouble.” According to the letter, he’s being expelled because his parents, Paul and Hollee Muller, have “stated both verbally and in writing you do not agree with nor do you support the teachings of the Catholic Church. After prayerful consideration and discussion among our school administration it is obvious we no longer have a partnership with you, since the values of your family are not in alignment with those of our school. Therefore, the school administration has made the decision to disenroll your child from our school.” TOP VIDEOS

Read more at: https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/melinda-henneberger/article277734988.html#storylink=cpy

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I am catholic but it's crap like this that goes on all too often for myself to take what the church says with any validity. If there is a hell it is sure to be full of people like these hypocrites

[Walleye]

1. Too much "prayerful consideration" not enough thinking. Or following Jesus

[Effete Snob]

3. From what I've heard...

Jesus isn't letting everyone into Heaven either. Why should his schools be any different?

Christianity is about "Believe this or suffer (eternal death / Hell / punishment of some kind)."

Jesus says that he'll ultimately tell some collection of people to fuck off:

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

[Walleye]

4. It's a good thing Jesus and heaven don't exist

[Effete Snob]

5. That would be disappointing

Since I'm banking on a management position in Hell after I die.

[Walleye]

7. I like with Mark Twain said. If heaven really does exist,

I walk right up to God, look him in the eye, and tell him I was wrong

[stuck in the middle]

17. You sound like a fundamentalist.

Christianity is about "Believe this or suffer (eternal death / Hell / punishment of some kind)."

That’s cultural.

Not everybody subscribes to your version of Catholicism.

Just sayin’.

[Effete Snob]

19. Jesus says it in red letters. I quoted it above

Pretty sure that Catholic Jesus is still doing this:

https://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe

What We Believe

[...]
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
[...]

Jesus certainly believed in Hell and spoke about it on several occasions.

And, more to the point, it is certainly up to this school to decide which sort of Catholics they want to see in it, and what "version" of Catholicism they want to apply to how they run it.

[stuck in the middle]

20. Fundamentalism.

Jesus says it in red letters.

You want to enforce your own fundamentalism on this family.

Need I remind you that this is the Catholic group?

[Effete Snob]

21. WTF?

I'm an atheist.

This schools wants to enforce its religious beliefs, and since it is a religious school, they have every right to do so.

[stuck in the middle]

22. I'm an atheist as well.

I'm an atheist.

But, unlike you, I’m not a fundamentalist.

My wife comes from a Catholic culture, going back centuries.

[Effete Snob]

2. If that troubles you, wait until you find out about the Catholic god and Heaven

I never understand the outrage over "Religious School Behaves Consistently With Being Religious School".

What is hypocritical or surprising about that?

People send their children to these schools so that their precious children need not come into contact with unbelievers.

What is so hard to grasp about that?

[Hugh_Lebowski]

9. +1 (nt)

[shrike3]

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[Srkdqltr]

6. I don't understand. The parents, and it is mom and dad not just mom btw, don't believe why send son

If you don't believe you don't belong. Send son to a school that reflects your views.
If you join a club and break their rules you get booted out. Churches are clubs.

[Irish_Dem]

8. Exactly. If you don't agree with Catholic teachings, don't send your kids there.

[Diamond_Dog]

10. I wonder if many nonbelievers

Send their kids to Catholic schools for the sole purpose not of religious education but to keep them away from the public school riffraff.

[Irish_Dem]

12. In some areas the Catholic schools are a better education.

Back in the day, some protestant parents would send their kids to the local Catholic School because
it was excellent and the kids graduating from there got good college scholarships.

But the parents didn't fight with the school. They kept a low profile.

[jimfields33]

14. I went to Catholic school 12 years. Graduated 1987.

We had many non Catholic kids in my class. Parents definitely were other religions or none. My school never would have kicked out any student for this reason. Ever! This is just a dumb principal.

[Eugene]

16. Per the article, the dispute was about the pastor's hard-right method.

He came in guns blazing, banning books and dissent as well.

Exactly what Catholic values do the Mullers not share?

Hollee was vice president of the school’s advisory board, and she objected to changes at the school since Father Sean McCaffery became pastor of the parish a year ago.

New priest yanked library books, banned Duolingo app
“The priest came rolling in hot,” Hollee said, “yanking books” from the school library, including one about a polar bear with two mommies and all of Rick Riordan’s work, some of which features characters who are gay, bisexual, lesbian and trans.

As Hollee herself sums up her supposed heresy, “I don’t think being blatantly homophobic is a teaching of the Catholic Church.”

https://news.yahoo.com/prayerful-consideration-kc-area-catholic-100800306.html

[keithbvadu2]

11. Like original sin - carries down the line

The excerpt does not specify the teachings/differences.

Might be pro-choice which many Catholics support and almost all of them are still allowed Holy Communion.

[XanaDUer2]

13. We had Jewish kids in our Catholic school nt

[stuck in the middle]

15. Catholicism is a very multicultural religion...

… with a long history and about 1.3 billion members worldwide.

I’m shocked at some of the narrow-minded and bigoted responses to this article on a supposedly Democratic website (in the Catholic group, of all places).

As Democrats, we should all be supporting this family, regardless of our cultures and religions.

[Effete Snob]

18. It's not up to us how a religious organization decides to run their school

If someone gets kicked out of the local country club because the club requires jackets in the dining room and someone is not wearing a jacket in the dining room, why is that a concern of mine?

This family is paying cash money to an organization which puts a lot of effort into fighting against the rights of other people, and paying settlements for child molesters. I guess those other people and victims don't matter, but I don't support that organization.

[progressoid]

23. This.

[stuck in the middle]

24. Please don't include me in your "us".

It's not up to us…

I can think for myself.

We all choose sides.

We’re just choosing different sides, that’s all.

I’m with the family, and you’re with McCaffery.

[shrike3]

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[RockRaven]

25. Many decades ago, the local Catholic school wouldn't accept my mother into kindergarten

because her parents had gotten divorced and she was being raised by a single mother...

Never mind my mother has been baptised and was nominally Catholic, because her father was Catholic, and my grandmother was trying to honor and continue that by her choice of schools, despite being a rather irreligious nominally Methodist herself.

How dare my grandmother divorce her abusive alcoholic adulterous Catholic husband and raise two kids on her own by working three jobs with just a high school education? No Catholic school for your kids!

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[shrike3]

26. Please consider moving to Religion

While I appreciate your POV and the story, this is attracting comments which violate the rules of our safe haven group. They are as follows:

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Again, I appreciate the story.