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A response to a pastor who said: "He should have killed you. At least you’d have died a virgin."
A so called pastor told a young rape victim, "He should have killed you. At least youd have died a virgin." Here was the response that John Shore gave to that;
Are you are a pastor, priest, or ministry leader who holds that women are intrinsically inferior to menthat women should submit to their husbands, that women are less intelligent than men, less emotionally sophisticated than men, not as ambitious, driven, or proud as men? Do you believe that a womans highest calling is to be a good mother, that a young womans moral status is tied to her virginity, that womens sexuality causes men to sin?
If you do believe those things, then Im begging you to right now resign all of your authority in the church. Get outand dont talk to anyone on your way to the door, either. You do not speak for God. You wouldnt know good counsel from bad porridge. At best you are profound and grievous embarrassment to God; at worst the devil himself wonders at the fullness of the damage you do.
Please just step away from the pulpit. Because surely you realize what a short step it is from, God designed women to love but be inferior to men, to, You should have made your rapist kill you so that at least youd have died a virgin. If you do not realize how smoothy the latter extends from the former, then then gosh, what a surprise: logic isnt your strong suit.
Well, friend, neither is compassion. Its not now, anyway. But it can be! You can change! You can learn. You can do the psycho-emotional work you need to if youre ever going to become a true friend rather than an enemy of God and humankind. You can reflect, think, consider, open your heart to the painful damage I guarantee you someone once did you. You can come to terms with your own powerful sexuality, and in so doing discover not the condemnation of God you expected, but the affirmation of life you wanted.
If you do believe those things, then Im begging you to right now resign all of your authority in the church. Get outand dont talk to anyone on your way to the door, either. You do not speak for God. You wouldnt know good counsel from bad porridge. At best you are profound and grievous embarrassment to God; at worst the devil himself wonders at the fullness of the damage you do.
Please just step away from the pulpit. Because surely you realize what a short step it is from, God designed women to love but be inferior to men, to, You should have made your rapist kill you so that at least youd have died a virgin. If you do not realize how smoothy the latter extends from the former, then then gosh, what a surprise: logic isnt your strong suit.
Well, friend, neither is compassion. Its not now, anyway. But it can be! You can change! You can learn. You can do the psycho-emotional work you need to if youre ever going to become a true friend rather than an enemy of God and humankind. You can reflect, think, consider, open your heart to the painful damage I guarantee you someone once did you. You can come to terms with your own powerful sexuality, and in so doing discover not the condemnation of God you expected, but the affirmation of life you wanted.
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A response to a pastor who said: "He should have killed you. At least you’d have died a virgin." (Original Post)
47of74
Oct 2013
OP
Saying "I wish you were dead" is not exactly compassionate, nor is "You'd be better off dead"
Fortinbras Armstrong
Oct 2013
#2
Thav
(949 posts)1. I suspect this pastor
would be up in arms about honor killings in Muslim families. Seriously, where do these people find this God that hates so much?
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)2. Saying "I wish you were dead" is not exactly compassionate, nor is "You'd be better off dead"
And what's the big deal about being a virgin?
Actually, the pastor is saying "It's better for women not to have sex." I wonder if he felt that way about men as well. St. Jerome felt that way, saying that the only good thing about intercourse is that it produces virgins.
I agree with the last sentence of the article, in which Mr. Shore says to the pastor, "you better hope upon hope that God has mercy on your stupid, arrogant soul."