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New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, a Jewish Democrat who is the majority leader, delivers a speech on antisemitism in the U.S. Capitol, Nov. 29, 2023:
Jewish Americans are left alone at least in our eyes to ponder what this all means, and where it could lead, Schumer, the Jewish New York Democrat, said in opening Wednesdays Senate session. Can you understand why the Jewish people feel isolated when we hear some praise Hamas and chant its vicious slogan?
The slogan he was referring to, From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, is one embraced by a member of his own party, Michigan Rep. Rashida Tlaib, a Palestinian-American who advocates for a single Israeli-Palestinian state. She is also among a growing group of progressive lawmakers calling for a permanent ceasefire in the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza.
Schumer started out, as he often does, by proudly noting his status as the most senior Jewish elected official in U.S. history. But he articulated what many Jews who vote overwhelmingly for Democrats have said over Thanksgiving meals, Shabbat gatherings and after synagogue services: After years of alarm at the rise of antisemitism on the right, many fear that the left is also becoming inhospitable, with some progressives praising the Hamas attack.
In some cases, people even celebrated what happened, describing it as the deserved fate of colonizers and calling for glory to the martyrs who carried out these heinous attacks, Schumer said. Many of the people who have expressed these sentiments in America arent neo-Nazis, or card-carrying Klan members, or Islamist extremists. They are in many cases people that most liberal Jewish Americans felt previously were their ideological fellow travelers.
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dutch777
(3,465 posts)Not everything or everyone is either antisemitic or islamaphobic. There is certainly plenty of both. Heck, some people are both! But, while Israel has the right to exist and be safe and secure and prosperous, the same holds true for the Palestinians. Is Hamas evil incarnate? Yes. Does Israel have the right, indeed the national responsibility, to fight such evil and protect itself? Yes. But just as Hamas deserves to be attacked and vilified, Israel must accept responsibility for bombing a whole community into the dark ages, killing thousands of innocents in the process, to try and root out Hamas. Not all Palestinians are Hamas or Hezbollah. And certainly all the children are not. I am ready to cut all US funding to any party to this until they come to a negotiating table in good faith.
marybourg
(13,181 posts)other party off the map?
Behind the Aegis
(54,854 posts)I am sorry for the tone, but look at the fact you posted this in the JEWISH GROUP and the FIRST TWO posts are bothsiderisms, whataboutism excuses! IN THE FUCKING JEWISH GROUP!
So, yeah, I don't think too many give a shit about one of those groups actually having genocidal policies.
marybourg
(13,181 posts)Behind the Aegis
(54,854 posts)I am multitasking and couldn't think of gentler way to express my sarcasm and disdain for how your OP was treated in the first two posts.
I apologize. I really didn't mean to come across so gruff, but I am beyond frustrated and angry that even a discussion about anti-Semitism in the JEWISH GROUP gets shitted upon.
marybourg
(13,181 posts)function, even-temporarily one hopes, in the case of long-time, previously respected posters? I find it makes participation possible, even rewarding in some cases. Ive noted, with sorrow, your seeming withdrawal from the Jewish Group and hope you can find your way back.
Behind the Aegis
(54,854 posts)It is frustrating, especially when I see shit, if thrown at non-White persons, would immediately be seen as bigoted, such as "some of my best friends are...", "but this Jew over there agrees with me", "are you really a Jew given you weren't born one?", and on and on. Then there is the gentilesplainin' which is really fucking annoying.
If you want me to be honest, the reason I haven't posted much in the Jewish Group of late is because I don't feel Jews are respected here, so what's the point. I also don't feel safe here. I also feel there are those among us who would rather blow sunshine out their collective assholes than deal with the reality facing many Jews and I really don't have the time nor energy to deal with such pollyannish prigs.
This was sent to me by my brother, and it reflects some of what Schumer said, and, honestly, it is how I am feeling:
I know there are some good people out there (and here) who are supportive of Jews, but it seems, to me, another Holocaust could come along, and all we would see would be crocodile tears and whines "oh, who could have guessed that would happen again?!" I am sickened.
marybourg
(13,181 posts)Mossfern
(3,180 posts)I want to be able to challenge people who are proffering faulty information.
Geezoh
(35 posts)Oh the Catholics hate the Proestants
The Protestants hate the Catholics
The Hindus hate the Moslems
And...everybody hates the Jews.
Tom Leherer "National Brotherhood Week"
Mossfern
(3,180 posts)I loved Tom Leherer back in the day when we listened to albums.