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vlyons

(10,252 posts)
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 09:17 AM Feb 2015

picketing the Dalai Lama is so unneccesary and unseemly

The link is one person's viewpoint about the New Kadampa Tradition's disagreement with the Dalai Lama.

http://www.tricycle.com/blog/angry-white-buddhists-protest-dalai-lama

It just seems so unneccesary and UNSEEMLY to accuse the Dalai Lama of being a "tyrant" and a "liar." The fact is that no one can prevent another person from sitting down and meditating on any yiddam or deity. Right speech in Buddhism is SUPPOSED to use words to reconcile people to peacefulness and tolerance. Secondly, for the NKT to claim that they, and they alone, have the correct pure Vajrayana tradition, and everyone else is wrong, is rather arrogant. It is not possible to maintain Tibetan Buddhism unchanged as it moves into the West. Tibetan Buddhism, is a dependent arising, and as such is subject to impermanence and change. One of the great benefits of Buddhism is that there are a myriad of traditions and lineages from which one can choose a path to an awakened mind. You pick the path(s) that best fit your circumstances and personality. The NKT's constant protests against HH the DL just seem so silly and pointless. If they want to break off and do their own thing, so be it. No one is going to throw stones at them. Where are the lamas to teach them about right speech and calm abiding?

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picketing the Dalai Lama is so unneccesary and unseemly (Original Post) vlyons Feb 2015 OP
Good Questions Newest Reality Feb 2015 #1
You are so right! Maraya1969 Feb 2015 #2
I don't think that you can stop them vlyons Feb 2015 #3

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
1. Good Questions
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 10:01 AM
Feb 2015

My understanding of the view is that it is all-inclusive.

That is not, ultimately, a contrived and forced idea of inclusiveness, but rather, the insight into awareness where nothing at all is left out. The Universal approach points to the vast nature and inherit luminosity of the mind as pure awareness. However, the concepts about that are so easily mistaken for the referent and the beliefs that bind us to concepts are deeply ingrained.

It is understandable for a particular school to create conceptual boundaries in order to contain and delineate its philosophy and method, and that is usually accompanied by debate between the lineages, etc. That is, just as a glass is used to keep water from spilling out all over the place and to keep the surroundings out of the water. It is a matter of skill in this case, though. Not easy in a tumultuous world.

The realization of impermanence, (which you mentioned) makes it clear that anything compounded will change and ultimately perish, so that can shed light on any political or religious stance on doctrines and purity in the long run. Yet, one can also understand the desire to retain a teaching or system and maintain its integrity, as well. Compassion works both ways and arises with the object of compassion itself, mutually as a unitary motion.

There has been a tumult of transition for Tibetan Buddhism and it is understandable that there are concerns, disagreements and the like. We can all experience that when it comes to things we hold dear, meaningful, important, pure, etc. In one sense, the dissemination of the teachings, (including the rather esoteric and secret ones) to the West serves to preserve them. In another sense, that process can also distort them and transform them beyond recognition.

Perhaps they should consider consulting Longchen Rabjampa on this matter:


The hidden awareness of natural perfection is everywhere,
its parameters beyond indication,
its actuality incommunicable;
the sovereign view of natural perfection is the here-and-now,
naturally present without speech or books,
irrespective of conceptual clarity or dullness,
but as spontaneous joyful creativity
its reality is nothing at all.




Good Fortune!!!

Maraya1969

(22,997 posts)
2. You are so right!
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 09:40 AM
Feb 2015

I'm going to start a thread asking if people want to help try and get them to stop. I just want a new thread because I want people to see first that we need help in doing it.

Have you seen the horrible pictures of photoshopped HH the Dalai Lama? They are so ugly about everything.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
3. I don't think that you can stop them
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 02:38 PM
Feb 2015

They have to discover for themselves that they are not practicing the dharma about right speech. We are not supposed to disparage others with our words. Or use words to create disharmony and stir up anger and outrage. Rather our words are supposed to help bring reconciliation between people, who disagree and bear grudges. I guarantee you that HH the DL is not harmed by their protests and slanders, except that he might feel sadness for them to be stuck in such ugliness. If it weren't the DL that they were protesting about, they would find another target to vent their outrage on. Their anger and outrage exists only in their minds. It's not inherently in the DL. Don't turn them into your target. Don't set up a target for the arrow.

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