2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI'm 54. Does Hillary Clinton feel sorry for me too? Would she say...
"We came, we saw, we felt sorry"?
What a condescending ass she is.
I don't need to do any independent research. I've been a fucking WITNESS.

noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)59 here. I'll be glad to share what I witnessed.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)I'm 49 and have lived through enough Clintonia for one lifetime. #stillsanders
TDale313
(7,822 posts)We're clearly just too stupid to get how the "game" is played. No, actually, many of us get exactly how it's played and think it needs to change and that not only is she not the one to fix it, the Clintons have had a huge part in getting us into the mess we're in.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I'm starting to wonder if there isn't ..something going on there...
KPN
(16,382 posts)to know better. Me too -- 65.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)case she would probably say that I had Alzheimers.
I can assure you that I did not suffer from
any amnesia.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Henhouse
(646 posts)mak3cats
(1,573 posts)...so of course I'm too stupid to understand the research I've done. I voted for Hillary for Senator, but I would have a really hard time voting for her ever again.
Bettie
(17,725 posts)and very much aware of who she is and what she has done in her life.
Now, she is better than Trump or Cruz or any of that clown car, but she's far from my first choice.
TM99
(8,352 posts)I have multiple graduate degrees. I am quite 'smart' enough to have done the research. Not only that but I have lived in both Arkansas under the Clintons and then the 1990's with them in the White House.
We can not afford to have another Clinton administration in my life-time.
This will be the weekend when historians will say that Clinton lost even if she were to steal the primary. I will never ever vote for her. And I am not alone.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)I have extended Ms. Clinton every benefit of the doubt I can think of. Her qualifications. Her resume. Her self-assuredness navigating the political system. And so forth.
But while she continues to hold a heavy advantage in the Dem primary race, it seems like the moment anything remotely dissatisfactory occurs, decency and good faith are tossed heartily out the nearest window, and we get this sneering, disingenuous flavor of personal attack.
I remember it well. Our household supported her in 2008 until she started her racist dog-whistling about owning the "hard working white people" vote and that fast one was she tried to pull in the Michigan and Florida primaries.
Hillary Clinton says the results [in Michigan] should count, even if Barack Obama's name did not appear on the ballot. "That was his choice...There was no rule or requirement that he take his name off the ballot. His supporters ran a very aggressive campaign to try to get people to vote uncommitted."...Clinton [says] that the Michigan and Florida pledged delegates should count because both are seen as key battleground states in the general election. But if the national party does not agree, she says, the states should re-do the primaries.[28]
When pressed by NPR, Clinton said, "We all had a choice as to whether or not to participate in what was going to be a primary, and most people took their name off the ballot but I didn't."[28] Critics have labeled Clinton's actions as dishonest, and charged her with trying retroactively to change the rules for her own benefit.[29][30][31]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Democratic_primary,_2008
I'm trying not to fully reject the idea of her being the nominee, as that still seems likely. But boy, is she hard to like sometimes.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Hillary saying she "feels sorry for" anyone who won't vote for her was just a euphemism. I mean, when does Hillary ever feel sorry for anyone (except Wall Street)?
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karynnj
(60,109 posts)My problem is that whenever I do research on her statements, I find that she lies or exaggerates.
It was interesting that when she left the State Department, the common wisdom was that she improved relations, but had no really big accords or agreements - other then helping get Israel to agree to the Egyptian brokered ceasefire in Gaza. It is also clear that she worked hard as Secretary. The consensus was she was a competent, but not an outstanding SoS. Why not just claim that - it is honest and it is a huge credential in addition to the rest of her resume.
Since then, she has taken credit for Iran, the Paris Climate Change agreement, getting chemical weapons out of Syria, and the UN resolution that has led to the cessation of hostility and the current peace talks in Syria -- though she does say Kerry did finalize them (except for the chemical weapons where her book only credits him with a gaffe). I honestly wonder if she will soon decide that he should split the blame on the emails - saying that each of Obama's secretaries had half their email on a private server!
SamKnause
(14,012 posts)When Bernie mentioned Pinochet during one of the debates
the internet was on fire.
Does she not realize how smart young people are ???
Does she not realize how social media has changed the
playing field ???
I am 62, almost 63.
I don't need to do any research.
I lived through it.
I am so proud of the young people in this country !!!!!!!!!!!!
reformist2
(9,841 posts)She's not one to figure out how to bring people together. With Hillary, it's either my way or the highway!
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)The culture of the Clinton campaign is entitlement. The career politicians will support her. The financial sector will support her. The "super delegates."
They will let everyone know precisely what their choices will be.
This is the attitude of people who have cultivated power under corrupt circumstances. They have made the required moral sacrifices. Bargained with the right devils.
So no one else should be heard or should be permitted to succeed in any other fashion. Not people with $27 to donate. Not people who hold principle over party affiliation. Not the young. Not the idealistic.
How DARE they?
Which, some might say, is precisely the attitude Democrats, at their best, oppose.
We shall see.
Teamster Jeff
(1,598 posts)
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Mark my words, if Hillary is the nominee the Dems will loose Millennials forever, it will be relegated to the status of an eternal minority party.
Utopian Leftist
(534 posts)and Bernie does not run as an independent, then Jesse Ventura, former Minnesota Governor, has said he will run as an independent. In other words, the revolution will continue, regardless....
Maybe it's just me, but I can foresee someone like Ventura pulling a good 5-10 percent away from the Democratic ticket.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)god knows we need a major shake-up. Something has to give sooner or later.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Do you feel that everyone except your family circle makes too much money for all the wrong reasons?
When someone mentions free speech, do you automatically say *no* I cost $225,000?
When asked if you take fossil fuel money, do you yell in the face of a Greenpeace activist?
Must be Hillary