Wisconsin recount observer says Waukesha County is double-counting Donald Trump votes

[flamingdem]

http://www.palmerreport.com/news/waukesha-wisconsin-double-donald-trump/381/

As the statewide Wisconsin recount continues to get underway, the recount observers representing various presidential candidates have been sharing their first hand experiences online. Observers in some counties have found no issues at all, while others have reported concerns and suspicious incidents. But one recount observer Waukesha County is now making the flat out accusation that county officials are purposely double counting Donald Trump’s votes and pulling other shenanigans during the recount.

The accusation comes from recount observer John West, who has been documenting his experiences on his own publicly visible Facebook page. On Sunday evening he flatly declared that “I’m calling out fraud.” West went on to make the following specific accusations: “Waukesha County Wisconsin is obstructing the recount blatantly. Making up rules to shut out allowed observers. Double counting Republican ballots. Taking machines out and returning machines that break down after midnight hoping to avoid any observers.”

In the comments section of his own post, linked above, he went on to elaborate that “They aren’t invalidating clear duplicate and unsigned ballots that were mailed in,” thus explaining how the double-counting is taking place.

These are serious accusations of improper behavior, which if proven true would represent criminal fraud. We’re reaching out to Mr. West to determine what evidence he has in terms of documenting the behavior in question. But the mere fact that a Wisconsin observer is making these accusations is newsworthy in and of itself, as he claims to have witnessed all of the above with his own eyes. This is particularly notable in that Waukesha is one of just twelve Wisconsin counties (out of seventy-two) which have are refusing to a hand recount, instead relying on a machine recount.

[ucrdem]

1. very strange.

thanks!

[Land Shark]

2. First Republicans cause problems and irregularities, then they sue about those to halt recount

See Great America PAC v. WISCONSIN ELECTION COMMISSION, filed December 1, 2016 federal court, seeking stay of recount for application of non uniform standards, et al.

For case and analysis see http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028330798

[Maraya1969]

3. I SAID this. If they were able to steal the election why can't they steal the recount

And someone said that there would be "watchers" But there were fucking "watchers" during the election!

God they need to be really strict with this whole thing.

What did that watcher do besides report it? They can't say anything right at the time?

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

6. My first awareness of this issue was 2004 Ohio- and yes - the obstructions of the process and

the many documented suspicious activities (machines being serviced in early ams before recount began, co. workers given instruction in how to make the recount nos. match the computer totals, etc.) were as troubling as the probable hack itself.

[nikto]

60. Good point.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

4. Sure hope this guy is talking to the green lawyers - key words "if proven true" - this is exactly

the type of thing that needs to be carefully documented and strategized with lawyers. Im not a lawyer but I know they think ahead to make sure that any testimony holds up in court.... where it matters. Posting to facebook isn't going prove anything.

[sheshe2]

5. WTF!

[blueseas]

7. WHAAAAAT???

Why is this not front page news????

[33taw]

13. Waukesha is critical to republicans. Watch and record it carefully.

[Snarkoleptic]

56. Waukesha county has been a rats nest of republiClown mischief for a long time.

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/4/11/965994/-

So, in November of 2004 there were 236K registered voters. In the Spring General Election of 2004 the election results showed the registered voter roll at 233,415. (source) So the county picked up a marginal number of voters for a 1.3% increase in the rolls leading into a BIG Presidential election.

Flash forward to The February 15, 2005 Spring Primary in Waukesha. Over a period of about 3 months the voter roll ballooned from the 236K seen in the November 2004 Presidential Election up to 282,390. (source) So in the 8 months leading into the 2004 Presidential Election there was a marginal 1.3% increase in the rolls netting about 3000 additional new voters. However in the 3 months after the election, which showed an anomalous 97.63% turn out, suddenly the rolls surged to the tune of almost 50,000 new voters and upped the rolls 20%. I suppose that's one way to even out a suspiciously high turn out.

Furthermore, remember that first number I told you to hang on to? The 283,820 eligible voters in the county of Waukesha in July of 2004? This new surge in the voter rolls has now pushed total voter registration in Waukesha County to 99.5% of elegible voters being registered to vote by February of 2005. Sure stinks and sure has all the earmarks of election fraud.

[LiberalFighter]

61. Yes it has been.

[blueseas]

63. Thanks!

I am glad to keep this article for review.

[Baitball Blogger]

8. Interesting.

Who sends in an unsigned ballot and then votes in their precinct? Potential double fraud. The person who sent in the ballot, and the person who counted it.

[flamingdem]

10. I'm wondering if it's mostly orchestrated by a small group

They can for example send in ballots without the knowledge of the voter, perhaps.

Too many people and someone would squeal?

[Baitball Blogger]

16. Reminds me of the Republican operative who went into the Seminole County elections office

and was allowed access mail in ballots that had been turned in, but were spoiled for some reason. He went in to correct them -- and was allowed to do it.

So, yes, I can see this being orchestrated. I can see a group sending ballots in without signatures, and people wittingly or unwittingly going in to the precinct to vote.

I can also see someone in the precinct recognizing that the ballots came in unsigned and an operative then calls the voter to tell him or her that their ballot was spoiled, and won't be counted; so why don't you come in and vote in the precinct

Either way, the person who is counting those ballots has committed fraud.

[flamingdem]

9. I am convinced this election BELONGS TO US

[orleans]

11. can this guy document what is being done by way of video? n/t

[summerschild]

12. Waukesha has a long history of election "problems".

I knew I remembered the name. I thought I remembered it associated with Walker's recall vote but when I googled it I found a whole series of claims over years with the county (and several on a clerk in that county over a period of several years).

All, of course, Republican.

I'd probably believe most anything is possible in Waukesha.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

44. +1...

... That! I have been warning concerned friends of the past in Waukesha and to keep their eyes on it, since before the election.

[harun]

71. Lot's of rich Freepers willing to make mischief in that county

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wisconsin_locations_by_per_capita_income

[PeaceNikki]

76. Lots of involved Democrats working the polls every election day, too.

We have the third most Democrats in raw numbers of any county in the state, right behind Dane and Milwaukee. And we're engaged. We work the polls and are committed to election integrity.

[NBachers]

14. Time for the Feds to land with Big Feet in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida, N. Carolina

Kathy "Oh look I found more votes" Nickolouse is still up to her old tricks. I thought she'd be driven out in disgrace, but she's still there in Waukesha County.

http://www.politicususa.com/2012/06/05/kathy-nickolaus-found-votes-charge-waukesha-wi.html

[flamingdem]

15. I know right - how could she have survived the last round

This is the madness we're up against.

[oasis]

50. +1000

[diane in sf]

55. She should be in jail

[PeaceNikki]

77. She's not our County clerk any more - hasn't been since November 2012.

She's clerk-treasurer for the Town of Waukesha - population < 9k.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waukesha_(town),_Wisconsin

[dragonlady]

78. Kathy Nicholaus is no longer clerk in Waukesha County

She did not run for reelection after the last recount. The present clerk, however, is not all one would want to run a fair recount either.

[bucolic_frolic]

17. This sort of agrees with my skeptical theory

that walking around money
has won friends and influenced people

People in positions of power were and are on the take

[Mc Mike]

18. You can always count on Waukesha to pull felony election fraud. rec, thanks, nt.

[pansypoo53219]

19. WAUKEWSHA. where snotty stole his election. GOP rats.

[forgotmylogin]

20. It's sort of delicious...

because DT himself was the first one to make such an issue of vote rigging, so that makes all the people filing to stop recounts and audits basically carry no weight. Although many of them, Trump included, tend to not even register self-hypocrisy.

[nycbos]

21. Is this a reputable source?

[KittyWampus]

25. PalmerReports absolutely is reputable. But note, he is asking if this is can be substantiated

Quote:

These are serious accusations of improper behavior, which if proven true would represent criminal fraud. We’re reaching out to Mr. West to determine what evidence he has in terms of documenting the behavior in question. But the mere fact that a Wisconsin observer is making these accusations is newsworthy in and of itself, as he claims to have witnessed all of the above with his own eyes. This is particularly notable in that Waukesha is one of just twelve Wisconsin counties (out of seventy-two) which have are refusing to a hand recount, instead relying on a machine recount.

PALMER REPORTS DESERVES OUR SUPPORT

[flamingdem]

26. +1

[Crash2Parties]

22. If America really cared we'd have actual auditors...audit the entire process and the votes.

[Feeling the Bern]

23. My mother was a teacher from 1986 - 2013 when she retired.

One of her favorite sayings that she still uses today is "those who scream the loudest about something they don't like are usually exactly what they don't like."

This is true.

Rabid homophobes are in the closest
Rabid racists usually have minority mistresses
Pro war idiots tend to never have served.

And, come to find out, the party that screams voter ID and voter fraud is the one who does it to most.

Who woulda fucking thunk it?

[certainot]

48. there are 1000 radio stations screaming dems are trying to steal it

they've been yelling about non existent voter fraud sine they stole bush in and have been using as the pretext for passing voter suppression legislation all over the country. it also helps their election officials to rationalize their fraud. they've been yelling on those stations for months about obama and dems giving millions of 'illegals' drivers licenses that would allow them to vote.

which is what trump was blabbering about. and because dems ignore rw radio they get away with it.

and the U of Wisconsin supports 5 limbaugh stations and 2 hannity stations by broadcasting sports on them. so they help republicans all day, screaming about dem voter fraud (and global warming denial and defunding public ed) and will call for mobs to intimidate vote counters and judges, etc.

and they're doing it while flying the badger banner over their station.

that's fucked up.

wisconsinites can protest anything trump and republican at that university

[dionysus]

62. Eddie Vedder worded it this way in a lyric: "if you hate something, dont you do it, too?"

[Ohioblue22]

24. Is kathy nickalous sticking her fingers in the country again?

[Quackers]

27. The post/claim doesn't exist on the guys Facebook page.

His page:
https://www.facebook.com/JDubChicago?ref=br_rs

[Silver Gaia]

31. Palmer has an update about this, along with a screen cap

of the original post on West's FB page. Looks legit. Hope it is. Also hope that West wasn't threatened or something. Weird. But he may have just made it private when he realized it was newsworthy.

[Hoyt]

28. Will gladly eat crow, but sounds like our version of "birthers." Hope this crud doesn't go 4 years.

[Indydem]

53. Exactly.

Unsubstantiated claims with no basis in reality, rooted in an inability to accept a bitter defeat.

I've not heard it described more aptly.

[47of74]

29. Voter suppression and electoral fraud should be punishable by life imprisonment

For the first offense.

[TheHak]

30. The post on the facebook page has been removed

But palmer report has a copy of it

http://www.palmerreport.com/news/waukesha-wisconsin-double-donald-trump/381/

[Ford_Prefect]

32. Where the hell is the DOJ????????????

[C Moon]

33. I don't have any faith in the U.S. anymore.

[LenaBaby61]

43. I don't have any faith in the U.S. anymore.

I feel you C Moon

[Docreed2003]

34. Isn't this exactly what Trump encouraged his voters to do?

In the days leading up to the election, in one of his many "rigged" diatribes, I'm pretty sure Trump encouraged voting twice by mailing in ballots and then voting I person as a means to counter supposed democratic vote rigging. I'll see if I can dig and find the article.

[lunasun]

35. Stein is asking for more volunteers for Waukesha . I can't but it is not too far from Milwk, Chgo or

Madison if anyone knows anyone who can go ASAP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/108420162 Has details

[LakeArenal]

36. Republicans cheat?

Wisconsin has known about it for years and nobody has done anything about it.. How did this happen to Wisconsin? Well, America it's about to happen to you!

[Alekzander]

37. Nobody should be surprised at this at all.

[AgadorSparticus]

38. I feel like the can of worms is slowly being pried open.

Buckle up, y'all!! The truth is coming!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

39. Could be worse...

Remember this?

One for you, one for me. I/I
Two for you, one two for me. II/I+II
Three for you, one two three for me. III/I+II+III
Four for you, one two three four for me. IIII/I+II+III+IIII
Etc.

[TheHak]

40. That county seems unreliablr

https://www.google.com/amp/www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/04/13/something-smells-in-waukesha-county-wisconsin-and-its-not-the-cheese/?client=safari

[Aimee in OKC]

49. WAUKESHA: Election Systems & Software DS200 ...

KNOWN SECURITY CONCERNS:

*SECURITY SEALS = Ideally, the DS200’s exposed ports, memory card access areas, ballot box doors and case seams would be covered with tamper-evident security seals. The integrity of these seals should be maintained at all times, and only breached under controlled, explained circumstances. Seals should be logged to maintain chain of custody of sensitive materials.

*THE MEMORY CARD IS SENSITIVE = Corrupt memory cards may be able to introduce viruses, cause the main election server to crash and falsify votes. Access to the memory card should be controlled, monitored and logged at all times.

*BALLOT BOX ACCESS =Optical scan systems have at least one and possible more ballot boxes. Each ballot box should be inspected by a voter at the beginning of voting to make sure that they are empty. These ballot boxes should locked and/or be sealed with tamper-evident tape.

*UNRESPONSIVE TOUCHSCREENS =During EAC testing on the Unity 3.2.1.0 voting system, some DS200s stopped responding to interactions with the user interface. The anomaly presented itself at random times during the testing process. ES&S informed the EAC that the root cause of touch screen unresponsiveness is linked to an improperly implemented internal system log. This log is only accessible to ES&S technicians when troubleshooting errors with the fielded system. {... .}

*CORRECT INKS = Some Optical Scan systems have trouble reading red inks or inks with red in them. Voters should use the writing instrument provided at the polling place or, if voting at home, black ballpoint pen that does not bleed through paper.

*SKEWED BALLOTS = During testing on the Unity 3.2.1.0, a DS200 did not count a valid mark for a race. The anomaly was discovered when county testers reviewed the printed election summary report for the DS200 unit. The count for a single contest did not match the expected results. The test was performed to verify that ES&S had corrected a previous anomaly with similar symptoms. The county testers were using a 17” ballot with contests concentrated in the lower sections of the ballot. {. . .} In the course of the review, the EAC found various degrees of ballot image distortion; with the 17” ballot having the largest degree of skew. The EAC is working with jurisdictions, VSTLs and the manufacturer to understand and resolve this issue.

During the EAC Certification process it was revealed that a DS200 coded for Election Day counting will not support more than 18 precincts, ...

https://www.verifiedvoting.org/resources/voting-equipment/ess/ds200/

[Hekate]

41. Jesus

[Sunlei]

42. watch the recount LIVE here, I hear lots of Johnson votes.

https://www.waukeshacounty.gov/liverecount/

[flamingdem]

45. This is pretty interesting!

Someone asked about why don't they video this so here it is..

[Quackers]

46. Thanks! 100 current viewers.

[Sunlei]

58. 46 viewers watch the empty room now. all the tiny, 'districts' had way to many opportunities to

make 'mistakes'. The recount people have a hard time even trying to recount this disorganized mess of Pa. votes.

[iluvtennis]

52. Thank you...din't know we could watch the recount...excellent. n/t

[HelenWheels]

65. Who is the rude witch who is cutting off discussion?

[lonestarnot]

47. Ok so, they beat 'em at Standing Rock SD, now move to Wisconsin!

[triron]

51. knr

[UCmeNdc]

54. They need more observers there。 Plus they need lawyers。

[Mc Mike]

57. Like Smokey counting out the weed money he owes to Big Worm. nt.

[Vinca]

59. I thought the Clinton lawyers were monitoring this, too. Where the hell are they?

[Turbineguy]

64. When you policies are weak,

your cheating must be strong!

[Coyotl]

66. If you steal an election and do it right, recounts won't change anything.

Election theft is a bit like a perfect crime. Done "right" there is no going back, and no way to prove it happened short of a confession.

[flamingdem]

67. We need an audit

Not sure the legalities of getting that but for sure we need the ability to get that next time.

[Coyotl]

68. We need to eliminate our "Trust a Republican" vote counting system.

[UCmeNdc]

69. GOP gets away with this every single time....... Where are the lawyers to challenge?

[Seasider]

70. Trump did do a rally before the election

Basically telling people to vote more than once or something similar.

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/nation-world/national/article111519972.html

You even had a woman in Iowa trying to vote twice for Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/29/trump-supporter-charged-with-voting-twice-in-iowa/?utm_term=.03db4b7be085

It may just be just isolated incidents but if enough people were doing that and not getting caught, it's enough to tip the scales of a close election.

[Cyrusvirus]

72. Im surprised no one has really talked about this double-voting until now.

I had a feeling he won these states because Trump's followers voted by mail and then voted in person (just as Trump instructed them to do).

My stomach turned when I heard him say that to his followers because that I knew his rally goers would definetely do this and that would have definitely made him win these states no matter how blue they were. In fact, I wanted to sign up after the election to say this theory but it was hacked and I just recently was able to sign up. Unfortunately still haven't been able to start my own thread, so this is my first post venting out my frustration about it.

[flamingdem]

73. You have very accurate intuition!

I think we're being ripped off and not enough dems are up in arms.

There are many ways to do it and you're right the one Trump told them to do is easy.

Welcome to DU (as a poster)

[triron]

74. Is Bob Fitrakis onto this I wonder?

I thought Clinton's lawyers were involved. Why don't we hear anything more about it??
And what about the machines that may have been illegally tampered with?

[flamingdem]

75. I think people are stretched thin

We don't have the resources needed - so some fights will be lost.

A shame when we see cold water being thrown by dems with so much at stake

[dragonlady]

79. Fitrakis is part of the Stein team

He was at the training session for recount volunteers.