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LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 06:36 AM Dec 2016

The Democrats would win more elections if the KBG/GOP followed the LAW

when the KGB/GOP ignores the law, and the conservative media does absolutely NOTHING about it, and the Courts rule time and time again in our favor, it is time to put the blame exactly where it is due: not on Hillary, or Bernie, or Obama.

They break the law. They blame the victim of their malfeasance. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

Stop letting them frame the fucking narrative any other way.

They are criminals. And we've let them get away with it long enough

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LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
3. and how *we* need to restructure. No...THEY need to stop committing crimes
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 05:49 PM
Dec 2016

and these motherfuckers pretend it's not them

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
4. You may want to rethink your concept of politics.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 08:44 PM
Dec 2016

Last edited Tue Dec 13, 2016, 11:48 PM - Edit history (1)

Have you heard that statement that "War is politics by other means?" Well, that means that politics is also war by other means. Expecting the KGB, or the GOP, or anyone else in power to behave by some gentleman's agreement is just not going to happen.

The presidency will be taken by the candidate with the right combination of charisma, resources, stump speech, allies, surrogates, networks, promises, and strategies, both overt and covert. This is the way it always has been, and I don't foresee it changing any time soon.

Clinton focused a lot on the resources, surrogates (though I found many of them such as Wasserman-Shulz etc. to be off-putting), and allies (though too often only the heads of organizations like unions and Planned Parenthood, while actual members enthusiasm waned). That was not enough. Her charisma was lacking, her stump speeches were more a panoply of policies than an articulation of overall vision, her networks did not reach effectively into the South or Midwest (etc.), her promises failed to GOTV, and her strategies were flawed. Trump just did better, KGB as a covert, shady, nefarious ally/network very much included.

Had Clinton done better with allies, networks, charisma, speeches, and more, the race would not even have been close. I pretty much agree with all you've said about the race being stolen in selected locations, the KGB playing media games, and that much of the GOP are criminals. Plus, the electoral college is bullshit. But a candidate's mission is to succeed in the real world: potholes, criminals, and all. That was true for the Primary (whether one believes the DNC was corrupt/unfair/biased against Bernie or not), and it was true in the General Election. Hillary used her elbows plenty during the Primary, and then bizarrely chose to run the most conventional of GE campaigns during this most unconventional of moments. Similar, biased/unfair factors will be in-play during 2018, 2020, and beyond. We can't be satisifed with just over 50%: it will be stolen by the powerful whenever the sides are that close. We need a groundswell of populism behind us, or we need to hang it up and let another Party take the reins.

Progressives and Democrats have got to play political strategy like a general would plan and impement war strategy. And the goal of a war is to win. That means winning against thieves, winning against slick propagandists, and winning against criminals. I expect and plan for nothing less, and so should you.

-app

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
8. You may want to rethink YOURS. Laws are laws for a reason...
Tue Dec 6, 2016, 08:14 AM
Dec 2016

Last edited Tue Dec 6, 2016, 03:06 PM - Edit history (1)

pretending that it's ok, because 'politics is like war' is some pretty weak tea. Or...could you imagine where the GOPress would be if this situation were exactly reversed.

Where is Melania Trump's speechwriter? Oh *that's* right, they told you it doesn't matter. You tell me that would have flown in the Clinton camp.

Crunchy Frog

(26,988 posts)
5. If the Dems were doing this to Rethugs, there would be blood on the street
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 09:40 PM
Dec 2016

before they let us get away with it. They would fight it with everything they had.

Our party needs to start acting like pitbulls rather than lapdogs if it's ever to be viable in the future.

Why is the Green Party candidate doing our fighting for us on this?

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
7. Yes, exactly.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:49 PM
Dec 2016

Why do Dems stop short of employing all nonviolent means at their disposal to win?

I want to be part of a party that fights for the common good, economic justice, and Constitutional rights wholeheartedly, without apology.

-app

kairos12

(13,251 posts)
11. Agreed. How many times do you need to get punched in the face before you wake up and smell
Tue Dec 6, 2016, 10:27 AM
Dec 2016

your own blood?

 

TuslaUltra

(75 posts)
6. I think a good name for the GOP now is the
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 10:05 PM
Dec 2016

National Populist Republican Workers' Party...after all, Trump did say that's what the GOP would become.

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