Greg Palast: The seal is a vote machine's hymen. If broken, it means somebody fk'd with it

[flamingdem]

This is heartwrenching..

Greg Palast ?@Greg_Palast 34m34 minutes ago

Greg Palast Retweeted Greg Palast

Who? How? Why? This is what a #Recount exposes: The jacking of our democracy. Problem: a recount can’t count votes that went pffft!

?@Greg_Palast

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The seal is a vote machine’s hymen. If it’s broken, it means somebody fk’d with it. http://www.jill2016.com/wendy_st_croix_county … #Recount2016 #AuditTheVote


?@Greg_Palast

St. Croix County, #Wisconsin: Five of the nine machines being used in the #Recount have tampered seals. Blame the Russians, Gov. Walker?

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[Ellipsis]

1. Feature on the DS200 opscan.. Modem: Accumulates and transmits votes directly from the polling place

Rockhound: It's a god damn Greek tragedy!
-Armageddon

[Hoyt]

2. According to Snopes -- recount observers conflated warranty labels with security seals.

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Rumors holding Wisconsin "recount observers" discovered tampered state voting machines conflated warranty labels with security seals.

http://www.snopes.com/wisconsin-recount-observers-find-voting-machines-broken-seals/



I guess now, folks here will tell me -- like the white wing Trump folks did during GE -- that Snopes is unreliable (they also said it was a liberal site started by George Soros, and similar BS).

[hueymahl]

12. Shhh! Don't let pesky "facts" get in the way of a good conspiracy!

I guess it is all part of the grieving process. Current stage: Denial.

[Hoyt]

13. +1. LOL. But, Jeeez, do we have to sound like a bunch of poor losers and

conspiracy theorists. We lost, and we will look like "Birthers" whining about this for the next 4 years, or several decades.

[JudyM]

16. Far better than rolling over as we've done in the past.

[Hoyt]

17. Accepting facts is not rolling over. Ignoring facts is what I expect from

GOPers. There is no evidence of tampering on election day, yet we claim there is. We can make a case for gerrymandering and suppression, but that is not what's being claimed.

[JudyM]

18. Statisticians and other folks with far more expertise than me on these things have strong concerns.

I'm happy to let it play out. They already found enough Clinton undervotes in PA to melt 1/3 of his lead there, right?

[mythology]

27. Nate Silver says there isn't

Clinton and her team accept the truth.

It is embarrassing that so many people are clinging to this desperate futile hope that somehow the vote will be overturned in spite of having absolutely 0 evidence that anything is wrong. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. And the scam artists pushing these recounts can't even be bothered to pull their heads from their asses long enough to make sure they are looking at what they think they are.

This should be the end of whatever tiny scrap of reputation Palast had left. But sadly it probably won't be.

[boston bean]

3. That is a strangely sexist misogynitic way of putting this, no?

[ProfessorPlum]

4. I'd call it a "pungent" analogy

perhaps there is a better way for Mr. Palast to express this.

[TCJ70]

10. In what way? n/t

[pnwmom]

15. I agree. It is misogynistic; and they can't seem to stop talking about it. n/t

[gollygee]

19. Yes nt

[JI7]

24. yes

[DLevine]

26. Agree. Very offensive. nt

[LostOne4Ever]

34. It's factually incorrect too. Nt

[Ligyron]

5. The sooner they get rid of those things, the better.

The machines I mean.

[TheBlackAdder]

6. The hymen is not a true and reliable indication if fuckery happened. Perhaps a better analogy.

[mwooldri]

8. I think the analogy here is quite accurate.

A removed or tampered with seal does not mean that the machine has been f'd with. It's a strong possibility but it is not definitive by any means. However unlike a busted hymen, a busted seal on a voting machine is cause for concern. Even if it is a warranty seal.... those things need inspecting.

[MineralMan]

7. A non-intact hymen does not necessarily indicate

that a person has had intercourse. It never has. That's an old myth that really never was true.

So, the analogy fails because the comparison is faulty.

[DetlefK]

9. It's not a comparison. It's a metaphor.

And it still works, because everybody knows what he figuratively means, even it makes no sense literally.

[MineralMan]

11. Both similies and metaphors are comparisons.

The metaphor implies identical situations. Something IS something else. A simile is comparative. Something is LIKE something else. However in asserting identical equivalance, the metaphor is still is a comparison. Something that is identical to something else is exactly like that thing.

It's too fine a point, really, in this discussion.

A seal on a machine is NOT a hymen, clearly. It's not very much like a hymen, either, since the simile is so badly flawed.

[pnwmom]

14. From a woman's point of view this whole discussion is offensive.

Boston Bean pointed that out but the men keep going on.

[gollygee]

20. Yes nt

[TheFrenchRazor]

33. in any case, there are plenty of similies that could have been chosen. gotta wonder why this one. nt

[mythology]

28. I think it's quite appropriate

In both instances the people pushing to claim it's true have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

[Spider Jerusalem]

21. Well THAT'S just a super weird, gross and creepy analogy, there

[TheFrenchRazor]

22. whenever you hear a rape or female genitalia analogy, you know it's a man who made it. nt

[Hekate]

25. So, is he wrong? The US presidential election was raped. The American people got fucked.

We are all so screwed.

I am much much more offended by the reality than by the analogy.

[pnwmom]

29. When I look at the above posts, I see too many posts by guys

who are engaged in extended discussions of the metaphor -- rather than the issue of whether the ballot boxes have been tampered with or not.

Yuk.

[Hekate]

30. sigh When that happens, it's time to bail on the conversation

My reaction was reflexive and out of anger, as you can tell. For weeks I and many many many others have been periodically murmuring "We are so fucked." And you are right -- it doesn't mean we want to waste a lot of time extending the metaphor.

[TheFrenchRazor]

32. yep, but of course you're not supposed to notice that or say anything about it. nt

[TheFrenchRazor]

31. absolutley not; i've been a supporter of his work in the past. doesn't mean i can't see clueless

sexism when it happens. and lemme guess, you're a man, or one of those self-proclaimed "feminists" who's always so eager to show that she's "one of the guys." that's my point. do you go around using other highly bigoted, offensive language, and then justify it by saying, "hey, my point was still legit"? if so, you're probably not helping whatever cause you're trying to help. this should be basic common sense.

[Hekate]

23. kick