any O'Malley or Jim Webb supporters?

[gejohnston]

just curious

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. There are a number of O'Malley supporters on DU.

O'Malley is a good guy; I hope he doesn't get out of politics. Jim Webb, on the other hand, is a borderline Republican and I don't recall seeing any support for him here.

[gejohnston]

4. He is a classical liberal in the JFK tradition

which means he is a liberal, not a progressive. In the first debate, the question being "who is your favorite enemy", his answer was the only one that didn't disgust me. Fellow Americans who we disagree with politically are not "enemies".

[Dawson Leery]

2. Fuck Jim Webb.

Dixiecrat shitbag!

[budkin]

30. Agreed, can't stand him

He should go ahead and switch parties.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

3. O' Malley gave an excellent closing speech in the one debate he was in

Other than that I don't know much about him.

[elleng]

6. Yo_Mama, no reason to NOT know much about him here.

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[madinmaryland]

37. He was my governor for eight years. Very progressive.

[elleng]

38. HI, mad!

[madinmaryland]

40. Hey Ellen!

Things are bad here in Ohio. Passing real extreme abortion bills. It's just the start oh things.

[elleng]

41. Yes, I've noticed.

Hard times.

[elleng]

5. Yes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1281

[3catwoman3]

7. Sign me up...

...for O'Malley.

[elleng]

8. Thanks, 3catwoman3;

c'mon over.

[Hekate]

9. I've read Webb's nonfiction book "Born Fighting" and wanted him to stay in the race....

....because I thnk he presents a valuable point of view, not because I want him as President. Turns out I was probably right about that, you know? I still wish we could have had that conversation and think it was a missed opportunity on our part.

[gejohnston]

11. I honestly think he would have won

the reason being that I found most people are basically classical liberals, especially people who vote issues and have no party loyalty.
Those folks are growing. A good friend of mine once told me that the first party to get the NRA, Planned Parenthood, and pot coinsurers together would leave all the others in the dust.

[Hekate]

15. I have no idea. He didn't have the money or the backing, and was publicly disrespected....

....by the moderator at the first debate. I was aghast at the mod's behavior -- whoever it was ignored Webb and was dismissive of him. I've read the phrase "incandescent with fury" but had never seen it before -- it just radiated off him.

And a good man that we needed to listen to went away.

I keep recommending "Born Fighting" to all who will listen -- it was a complete revelation to me. It was the first time I ever came close to understanding Scots-Irish culture. I am Irish-American, but my family came from Colorado, then California, then Hawai'i and back to California. His first chapters, on the Gauls and Celts, the inhabitants of Scotland and Ireland, were fascinating and I was rooting for my remote ancestors ( you think they wouldn't submit to the British? Ha! They were so awful to the Romans that the Romans built a wall against the Scots and decided not to go to Ireland at all). Then we moved on to Appalachia, where I found myself in psychologically alien territory. He points out that the Disney heroes of our 1950s-60s childhoods were Scots-Irish -- the Swamp Fox and Davey Crockett, as well as a host of others who fought idiosyncratically in the Revolutionary War. I never knew. And on and on, including things that are not pretty to look at. He's unsparing of his people.

[Garrett78]

19. Party loyalty is not declining.

[Laffy Kat]

10. Webb did something that really pissed me off.

But now I can't remember what it was. Maybe it is his choice stance? There's something.

[gejohnston]

14. I don't remember his views on choice

I had to look them up.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/James_Webb_Abortion.htm

He might have mentioned restrictions similar to countries like Germany and Denmark. It isn't an issue I follow.

[Crunchy Frog]

23. Maybe it was this (from Wikipedia)

On March 4, Webb stated that he would not vote for Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election, but he declined to rule out voting for Donald Trump.[84]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Webb#2016_presidential_campaign

[Laffy Kat]

24. That would be it, nt

[3catwoman3]

12. He seems like a very decent, caring, thoughtful person...

... with solid convictions. Not unlike the person about to depart the office.

[KittyWampus]

13. I was for O'Malley but he dropped out way before our Primary.

[NWCorona]

16. I wasn't a supporter of O'Malley but I do regret not paying more attention to him

He struck a cord in me when he said our troops aren't just boots on the ground. I also think he has the most to complain about.

[DavidDvorkin]

17. O'Malley supporter here

I'd be delighted to see him run again. Maybe the media wouldn't sabotage him, the next time. Maybe.

[elleng]

20. MAYBE, if DNC didn't have preferred candidate.

Dems have a lot of work to do, to assure fairness in selecting a candidate.

[DavidDvorkin]

21. The way the press treated O'Malley wasn't the fault of the DNC.

[COLGATE4]

18. I could certainly get behind O'Malley.

Don't care much for Webb - he's way too much of a blue dog dem for my taste.

[gejohnston]

25. I don't know what the term "blue dog" actually means

I would use the term classical liberal to describe Webb. Classical liberal and individualist. He was the one closer to my principles. I read a couple of his novels a few decades ago. During the first debate, when he was allowed to speak, he actually had his own ideas. Everyone else was just groupthink. When asked who their "favorite enemy" was, he was the only one who gave an appropriate answer. Calling millions of Americans who disagree with you politically "enemies" was, to be charitable, illiberal.

[Raine]

22. I like O'Malley, I was a Berner but O'Malley was my second choice

I hope we hear more from him in the future.

[dawg]

26. I would've voted for O'Malley if his campaign had lasted to the Georgia primary.

Jim Webb, not so much. (But any Democrat is better than Trump.)

[NCTraveler]

27. I was all for O'Malley. nt.

[SQUEE]

28. I wanted Webb.

But Having met him numerous times due to his serving with my uncle in Vietnam, I admit there was a very personal bias beyond his strong military roots and passion for the welfare of the troops.
I then went for O'Malley, after he dropped out I focused time and money on state issues, and then just voted for the party choice.

[LP2K12]

29. I was for Bernie

That being said, I think O'Malley has a bright future ahead with our party. I hope we see more of him.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

31. if HRC had not run, i would be an O'malley supporter. I am hopeful that he will run in 2020 and

do better

[Blackbottle]

32. Webb

I liked Webb as I thought he had a good chance against Jeb (fav at the time) due to his populist economic message. However he wasn't a very good candidate and I though his wanting to start a naval arms race in the pacific would not be good. Looking at it now though he probably would have been the only candidate to win.

[Garrett78]

33. Turnout would have been worse with Webb as the nominee.

Webb is barely even a Democrat, and everyone knows it.

[gejohnston]

35. I think he would have won

He is a liberal, but he isn't a progressive. Kind of like JFK. It is also the type of liberalism that most people in the US believe in. Progressivism is losing appeal in most places in the West. Bernie's loss would have been worse.

[Garrett78]

43. "Progressivism is losing appeal in most places in the West." And you base that on what exactly?

[forjusticethunders]

34. I really really REALLY wanted O'Malley as VP.

[Orsino]

36. I'm less enthusiastic for Establishment Dems these days.

And these two are relatively undistinguished ones who don't even promise much change.

[Exilednight]

39. O'Malley is a good guy. Not very charismatic, but quite honest.

Think Biden with a filter.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

45. Yeah, I think the crowd that went for Trump would have liked Biden

I think we need to get ourselves someone who's mouthy because that is what the common folk seem to like now. I think our next presidential debate will be something like a battle rap contest minus the rapping. Lots of boasting and bragging and it will probably even feature cursing.

[Exilednight]

46. People want someone who is going to fight.

People loved Obama until he decided to compromise. People would rather fight and lose than not fight at all.

[Vinca]

42. Webb . . . seriously?

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

44. I saw O'Malley in the first debate and I liked him

but it was really all about Bernie and Hillary even then. He didn't stand a chance against them.