2016 Postmortem
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A Response: My Election Blame ListChris Weigant
Huffington Post
(5) Clintons hesitancy was most notable in her economic message. Blue-collar voters just didnt believe her when she promised to fight every day for their issues. Her campaigns choice to not visit states like Wisconsin over attempting to flip states like Arizona just reinforced this problem. They would have done a lot better to have adopted the Bill Clinton slogan: Its the economy, stupid as their central identity, but they didnt.
(6) The Clinton campaign made a big strategic choice, and it didnt work. They chose to primarily attempt to scare suburban Republican voters into switching their votes from Trump to Clinton. This is the same sort of triangulation that worked well for her husband back in the 1990s, but no matter how many tens of millions of dollars of Trump fearmongering ads they ran, it had a very limited amount of success. The Clinton campaign came off looking angry and trying to fear-monger, instead of positive and hopeful for the future.
18. THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE
That really should read ...and the entire concept of superdelegates. Debbie Wasserman Schultz was obviously in the tank for Hillary from the get-go, and the machinations that happened to cut Bernies campaign off at the knees got so bad that Debbie had to resign her position the day the Democratic National Convention kicked off. Thats a stunning amount of party disunity to put on display, right at the start of the convention. Plus, Clinton locking up the lions share of superdelegates early on just contributed to her air of inevitability, which highlighted their anti-democratic (but apparently not anti-Democratic) nature. Its time to rethink the whole superdelegate idea, folks.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Loved all her ideas and knowing she knew REALLY REALLY KNEW what the f*ck she was talking about and HOW the F*ck to get them done!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)healthy, prosperous, and confident nation.
hamsterjill
(15,512 posts)The only blame that I see for Hillary is that of being born female.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Give me a break. Clinton wasn't for $15/hour (which she really was for a big increase, maybe more than $15 in some localities), but "blue collar workers" believed Trump was for that even though he said the minimum wage was too high. Clinton couldn't be trusted on trade, but Trump could since he used Chinese steel for his buildings and had his hats and clothes made overseas.
These kind of articles are junk.
Starry Messenger
(32,375 posts)It was for me.
TwilightZone
(28,833 posts)The myth that won't die.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2639615
Actually, his rant is loaded with them.
JudyM
(29,517 posts)BainsBane
(54,806 posts)She had a far more detailed plan than Sanders did.
Tell me precisely what about it you found lacking. Be specific.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Boil it down to three to five words. "Go to my website" can not be the message. No one is going to take that time to read full detailed policies. Obama's was "Main street, not Wall Street".
BainsBane
(54,806 posts)If your point is that she overestimated the intelligence of voters, I agree. She's not good at simplistic slogans. She is strong at developing substantive policy that told voters exactly what she planed to do as president, but that required voters to care enough to inform themselves because the broadcast media wasn't going to focus on issues let alone policy. It's clear that many Americans across the political spectrum have no interest in policy and prefer rhetoric that channels their anger. They don't care how something is going to be accomplished. They just want to be told what the want to hear. That was never Clinton's way. She took governance far more seriously than that, and her respect for voters meant she didn't feed them the empty promises others made central to their campaign. The fact is some voters, far too many, want to be pandered to. That is why our country is fucked. As Steven Breyer said, without a population with an understanding of civics, democracy cannot survive. We have a population that not only doesn't understand the separation of powers, they don't want to. They simply want a charismatic figure to fix it for them, which is not possible under our constitution.
hueymahl
(2,647 posts)I believe this with 100% of my being.
Too bad she was one of the worst candidates of all time.
BainsBane
(54,806 posts)No, I do not agree.
JHan
(10,173 posts)Her platform dealt with Wall St aggressively . This got zero coverage
She identified specific problems/solutions and my list isn't comprehensive..
-reform corporate law to target obsession with quarterly profit
-implement profit sharing mechanisms
-impose risk fees to curb excessive behavior (which would hurt big banks)
-hamper consolidation which renders big corporations "too big to fail"
-"high frequency trading" - for the first time our platform proposed a "financial transactions tax" to punish high frequency trading
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)The sign of true genius is the ability to take complex problems and abbreviate them.
Example: Einstein, with one equation about an inch long when hand written, was able to explain the universe to someone as moronic as me when it comes to physics.
I could boil down her policy to 5 words or less, it's really not that hard to do.
JHan
(10,173 posts)Voters aren't * kindergartners.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Your average voter isn't going to take hours out of their day researching policy positions.
Three to five word and then spell it out in detail.
JHan
(10,173 posts)Or are we giving the main networks a pass? The average voter can't even depend on the networks to tell them what is and isn't bullshit anymore.
I hungered for policy discussion, I'm an average voter just like everybody else , but I do try to take an interest beyond simple lazy slogans. It just takes a couple minutes to inquire more deeply about what a candidate is saying, regardless of a media blackout.
JudyM
(29,517 posts)... unfortunately, it's one thing he does well.
JHan
(10,173 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It's a shame you didn't educate yourself better and advocate for he best candidate effectively instead of repeating this nonsense.
JudyM
(29,517 posts)NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)They had no effect on the entire race.
BainsBane
(54,806 posts)It's rehashing the tired excuses of why Bernie isn't responsible for his own defeat in the primary. It has no relevance whatsoever.
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)Take them out and Hillary would still be the nominee.
BainsBane
(54,806 posts)But logic is irrelevant in this.
JHan
(10,173 posts)Demsrule86
(71,024 posts)Bernie Sanders
Media
Comey
GOP liar Congress...in order of most damaging.
BainsBane
(54,806 posts)1. Voter suppression/ whitelash
2. Comey
3. Misogyny
4. The media
5. The Busters and Bernie's role in creating them.
And misdirected messaging and the failure to campaign in key rust belt states. Hindsight is 20/20 of course. No one blaming Clinton for not campaigning in WI or MI mentioned it at the time.
George II
(67,782 posts)riversedge
(73,167 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,463 posts)Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)I'm not sure Hillary ever had any chance to win the GE, given that Bill had signed NAFTA and PNTR-China. The Rust Belt got their revenge on the Clintons for shipping their jobs away.
George II
(67,782 posts)RelativelyJones
(898 posts)Clinton supporters, Sanders supporters, third-party candidates, non-voters. We had better splash cold water in our faces and form an effective resistance, and fast. This is no time for powerful voices to go silent, whether it is Obama, Clinton, Sanders or anyone with a constituency of any kind. If we get labelled sore losers, who cares. Too much is at stake.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)I saw them as a foundation upon which to build.
Gothmog
(154,644 posts)Pushing the crazy claim that the DNC fixed the nomination process hurt the Clinton campaign. That claim was false http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044
Start with this: The DNC, just like the Republican National Committee, is an impotent organization with very little power. It is composed of the chair and vice chair of the Democratic parties of each state, along with over 200 members elected by Democrats. What it does is fundraise, organize the Democratic National Convention and put together the party platform. It handles some organizational activity but tries to hold down its expenditures during the primaries; it has no authority to coordinate spending with any candidate until the partys nominee is selected. This was why then-President Richard Nixon reacted with incredulity when he heard that some of his people had ordered a break-in at the DNC offices at the Watergate; he couldnt figure out what information anyone would want out of such a toothless organization.....
According to a Western European intelligence source, Russian hackers, using a series of go-betweens, transmitted the DNC emails to WikiLeaks with the intent of having them released on the verge of the Democratic Convention in hopes of sowing chaos. And thats what happenedjust a couple of days before Democrats gathered in Philadelphia, the emails came out, and suddenly the media was loaded with stories about trauma in the party. Crews of Russian propagandistsworking through an array of Twitter accounts and websites, started spreading the story that the DNC had stolen the election from Sanders. (An analysis provided to Newsweek by independent internet and computer specialists using a series of algorithms show that this kind of propaganda, using the same words, went from Russian disinformation sources to comment sections on more than 200 sites catering to liberals, conservatives, white supremacists, nutritionists and an amazing assortment of other interest groups.) The fact that the dates of the most controversial emailsMay 3, May 4, May 5, May 9, May 16, May 17, May 18, May 21were after it was impossible for Sanders to win was almost never mentioned, and was certainly ignored by the propagandists trying to sell the primaries were rigged narrative. (Yes, one of them said something inappropriate about his religious beliefs. So a guy inside the DNC was a jerk; that didnt change the outcome.) Two other emailsone from April 24 and May 1were statements of fact. In the first, responding to Sanders saying he would push for a contested convention (even though he would not have the delegates to do so), a DNC official wrote, So much for a traditional presumptive nominee. Yeah, no kidding. The second stated that Sanders didnt know what the DNCs job actually waswhich he didnt, apparently because he had not ever been a Democrat before his run.
Bottom line: The scandalous DNC emails were hacked by people working with the Kremlin, then misrepresented online by Russian propagandists to gullible fools who never checked the dates of the documents. And the media, which in the flurry of breathless stories about the emails would occasionally mention that they were all dated after any rational person knew the nomination was Clintons, fed into the misinformation.
In the real world, here is what happened: Clinton got 16.9 million votes in the primaries, compared with 13.2 million for Sanders. The rules were never changed to stop him, even though Sanders supporters started calling for them to be changed as his losses piled up.
I was a delegate to the national convention and I saw much of this silliness first hand. This election was winnable but the sanders campaign did a great deal of damage that is the subject of valid commentary
mvd
(65,468 posts)much of that was caused by running a candidate with high unfavorables and her campaign. I still think though that if Comey didn't go rogue on us and if the media did real journalism that she would have pulled out the 3 states she needed to. Blaming Sanders is really silly IMO. I just have to block that out. He brought in a lot of voters, and the challenge from the left made for a more progressive platform.