We Went Wrong When We Did Not Prosecute Election Fraud

[McCamy Taylor]

We had control of the Department of Justice for 8 years. We should have actively prosecuted all of those involved in election fraud during the Bush administration. That would have served as a deterrent. This hack did not occur only in Moscow or in the nation's state legislatures. Lots of Republican workers at the precinct level participated. We decided to bury the hatchet instead---and now the hatchet is buried in our backs.

Better luck in our next democracy.

[LaydeeBug]

1. Yep, and when we treated Wikileaks like an actual news source instead of Russian infiltration. nt

[gordianot]

15. Definitely true recently and very possibly infiltration all along.

We have been had by an inside job with the help of the excellent external interference. Espionage right under our noses, traitors run amok.

[lancelyons]

2. We have a long road ahead of us.

There are alot of things that went wrong but to be honest with you...

It all starts with the leaders of the democratic party. I am not sure if they are savy enough or scurrilous enough to play the same game of hard ball that republicans play and it shows.

They do all the dirty work and democrats dont seem to want to get dirty.

We need a new set of leaders in the democratic party and not a bunch of good decent people. Good Decent People dont play hard enough and that is what you need to get this back on track.

We are fixing to go into a set of 8 years where Republicans will set the voter id scenarios in many states to make things even harder. Maybe they will just pass a law that says you have to be a republican to vote. Will we stand up? We will let that happen? Do we even have the gumption or the ability to stop it.

We need new leaders in the democratic party.

[CrispyQ]

22. This.

It all starts with the leaders of the democratic party. I am not sure if they are savy enough or scurrilous enough to play the same game of hard ball that republicans play and it shows. ... We need new leaders in the democratic party.

Excellent post. I agree completely.

Welcome to DU.

[HassleCat]

3. Assuming we could find evidence.

The system we have now makes it difficult to get the straight dope.

[doc03]

4. Also when we didn't prosecute the Bush war criminals and banksters nt

[Baitball Blogger]

6. No punishment. No deterrence.

[FairWinds]

12. Yes, and we should have prosecuted . .

the torturers too. They did incalculable damage.

I'm Ohio too !!

[red dog 1]

16. Good point!

(From March 28, 2014)
"Obama's Big Lie"
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/28/obamas-big-lie/

"Two recent reports show that Obama and his administration lied when they promised to prosecute Wall Street executives who had cheated outside investors and deceived homeowners when selling mortgages to them."

[Baitball Blogger]

5. Yep.

We keep missing our opportunities.

[NWCorona]

7. And when the primaries were fucked up like in Arizona it was largely crickets.

[uponit7771]

8. +1, and they did it little by little since 2004

[brooklynite]

9. What Election Fraud are you thinking of?

Voter ID rules are not Election Fraud. Neither are limiting early voting dates or election locations. Gerrymandering can be and has in fact been challenged in the Courts.

[SCantiGOP]

11. brooklynite.....

I always enjoy your posts and especially your insistence on reason and fact-based discussion.
I am seeing way too many fantasy and conspiracy threads here lately, all designed to give us some reason to think we are not going to have to fight like hell against Trump and his government for the next 4 years.

[red dog 1]

17. How about "Crosscheck"?

..The GOP program conceived by Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, which may well have kept millions of Democrats from being able to cast their ballots last month.

"The Interstate Voter Registration Program is ostensibly designed to target a virtually nonexistent form of voter fraud.
In reality, it helps promote the Right Wing's bogus voter fraud narrative, which in turn provides justification for otherwise unjustifiable laws that restrict voting."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118756793


(From 2014)
"Will SEVEN MILLION people be prevented from voting this Tuesday?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025740558
(From this article)
"Election officials in 27 states..have launched a program that threatens a massive purge of voters from the rolls.
Millions, especially black, Hispanic, and Asian-Americans are at risk.
At the heart of this voter-roll scrub is the Interstate Crosscheck program, which has generated a master list of nearly 7 million names."


If Kobach's "Crosscheck" voter suppression program isn't actually a
"voter fraud" scheme to prevent blacks, Hispanics & other minorities from being able to exercise their constitutional right to vote, then what is?

[Crunchy Frog]

20. Throwing legitimate voters off the rolls,

Counting the votes inaccurately, so as to favor the Republicans. Even "losing" large numbers of Domocratic ballots. All the things that were documented to have happened in Florida in 2000. We're paying now for not nipping it in the bud then.

[mopinko]

21. yeah, its the votes that dont get counted that count the most.

or something like that.
i'm getting dizzy.

srsly- this is why we lost. we didnt/dont fight for every person's right to vote. every fucking last person. not just the ones that will put you over the top in a swing district.

[Liberal In Red State]

10. Agreed!

[lark]

13. I loved Obama for the most part.

This is one of the things about him that drove me mad. We lost a major opportunity to get back clean government when the treason of the bush admin. wasn't investigated and when election fraud wasn't addressed.

[red dog 1]

18. plus 1

[LisaM]

14. Eric Holder worked long and hard on this. The goalposts changed.

When they overturned the Voting Rights Act, everything changed. Everything. We are now playing whack-a-mole with suppression all over the place.

But Eric Holder cared very deeply about this and is still working on it. You can't do it at a national level. It's unfortunate, and it's unfair. And for all everyone is acting now as if W was better than Trump - he wasn't. He GAVE us Trump with the Supreme Court judges he picked, some of the worst of all time.

[red dog 1]

19. K&R...Thanks for posting

[CrispyQ]

23. Yet during the campaign, both parties lauded the integrity of the US electoral system.

[ucrdem]

24. If he did there'd be a catchy meme twisting it into something to whine about.

He's trying to make himself king, maybe. Who knows. But if Noam uttered it and Amy catapulted it, it would become leftist gospel forthwith.