2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCNN: town in Kentucky votes Republican after 144 years of voting Democrat
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This was a segment on CNN while I was at the gym.
The volume was down, so I was reading the text on the screen.
Supposedly, this town or county in Kentucky, has voted Democratic for 144 years.
This year, it went for Trump.
They interviewed some of the town folk. They were all obviously senior citizens. By appearance they weren't well off.
Each one said they'd voted for Clinton twice and Obama twice, but decided Trump's business sense beat out Hillary in this election.
I don't know if I should cry or shake my head: the GOP is already talking about bringing down Medicare and Social Security, and they aren't even in power yet. Those folks CNN interviewed are going need someone to lift their jaws off the floor, very soon.
What irritates me (along with the dumb fucks that voted for Trump) is that CNN didn't bother asking these previously dedicated Democrats, how they feel about the GOP being in power now, and what they will probably do to SS and Medicare.
msongs
(70,197 posts)Hunter Rose
(8 posts)These people are too inherently stupid to make the connection between their vote and their losses. They are why we are basically fucked. They're the salt of the earth, you know, morons.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Selling our souls in the process? Is it even possible? Remember, being a gullible idiot doesn't make one a bad person by default.
The whole country of germany weren't evil SS stormtroopers, but they got conned by hitler. And that included a lot of intelligent people as well.
It's tempting to call them fucking idiots, because they are, well... fucking idiots. But calling a spade a spade in this case can only hurt is in that regard.
Do you have any ideas?
putitinD
(1,551 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,987 posts)Seems like it would be pretty entertaining.
Lithos
(26,462 posts)L-
C Moon
(12,565 posts)This was a first.
I think you're correct: it was just put in to keep everyone happy until the inauguration.
rzemanfl
(30,289 posts)In looking up fluff(er) in the Urban Dictionary I found their word of the day is "Trump ten" that being the weight gained after learning the outcome of the election.
geomon666
(7,516 posts)If you were someone who saw Trump as a good businessman, you either don't have access to the truth, you aren't interested in the truth, or no one bothered to tell you. That's the job of the media. Remember the Fourth Estate? That's dead, been dead for decades now really and Trump is the fruit that has been born from that death.
C Moon
(12,565 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,035 posts)and a cheat. All facts with evidence to support them that the media should have been harping on instead of Clinton's emails 24/7.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Anything to smooth things over and take the heat of themselves. They're afraid to offend people by showing the crazy neo-nazi assholes too.
putitinD
(1,551 posts)DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)In the last 10 years they have completely flipped. Almost 2-1 Democrat to 2-1 Republican. I think there are a lot of reasons: one is just that we (rightfully) don't have the social conservatism that Democrats used to be known for, which I think is some more well off people's only reason for voting. But unfortunately, a lot of the poor people in those areas have just stopped voting, or even gone over to the Republican side. They think we don't care about them either; it's way more complicated than they know, but they voted for Obama twice and things objectively got worse for people in that area. People vote based on really simplistic reasons like that.
Trump ain't gonna make anything better though. We might get a lot of those people back just because Trump makes things worse. Or, and I'm afraid this is Trump's plan, he's gonna go out of his way to prop up the economy (in a way the Republicans never let Obama do) just to get people enough on his side so he can enact some tyrannical nonsense. That's exactly what Hitler did.
C Moon
(12,565 posts)They have full control, so they can play for a couple years. Make things nice; win more seats in the house and senate in 2018, then start in on total control.
world wide wally
(21,831 posts)Wabbajack_
(1,300 posts)It voted 65% for McGovern, 73% for Mondale. 70% for John Kerry in 2004.
Obama won it in 2008 with only 61%, which might have been the lowest percentage in county history up till then. Then the racist backlash, in 2012 it only narrowly held for Obama by 2.5 points.
And Trump won 70%.
It was the only majority White county in the south that had never voted Republican. It's almost entirely White.
Ironically the county seat is called Sandy Hook.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Need election fraud when they can cheat by convincing people to vote against their own self interest. At this, the rethugs are fucking masters, sadly...
Imagine if they put that kind of effort into, say, actually improving the cointry...
C Moon
(12,565 posts)MFM008
(20,001 posts)Needs to be introduced...........
pnwmom
(109,578 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)I don't have any answers for why this occurred, but my thought is that we have some very ignorant people living in our rural areas of the U.S. They watch FOX news, they don't read newspapers, and when it comes to politics, they only pay attention during a general election. They do not believe that their participation in governing their cities, their states nor their country, will have any significance in the quality of their lives. The vote for Trump was rebellion against what they construe as the 'establishment' and therefore change will come. There in for a huge disappointment.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)The media are so predictable.
I am sure there were far more "Clinton Republicans."
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)or 'voting for Democrats'.
rzemanfl
(30,289 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)The right refuses to say Democratic party. They shorten it as a pejorative. We shouldn't be doing the same. That only helps them.
C Moon
(12,565 posts)BSdetect
(9,047 posts)The mind boggles at how stupid people can be.
Exploited to vote against their own needs.
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)All during the campaigns, they gave him a platform to lie, lie, lie, and lie, and not once did they ever call him on any of it. All they did to follow up on Trump's messages was provide the viewers with silly panels, Democrats on one side telling the facts and Republicans on the other side of the panel getting equal time to lie through their teeth with nothing ever being done by CNN to call them on it. If the TV media did their jobs honestly, maybe those folks in that Kentucky town would have cast their votes for the truth instead of for a liar.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)It doesn't matter if we have better proposals for the economy, the M$M will often give deference to the bullshit narrative that republicans are better for the economy and that running a business is preparation for running the country. This doesn't even take into account the lack of scrutiny that they actually give the businesses. They trade that same shit with Romney, but he managed to sink himself with the 47% remarks.
elleng
(136,271 posts)From that point of view, it makes sense for them.
raging moderate
(4,504 posts)I don't know what arcane logic they are following this time. The Republicon lies are proliferating wildly.
russ1943
(618 posts)One factor that turned them away from the Democratic candidate for the first time: Hillary Clintons vow to put a lot of coal miners out of business.
C Moon
(12,565 posts)raging moderate
(4,504 posts)That quote was taken out of context and run again and again relentlessly in Republicon ads, clipped from a policy speech about the probable future of the human species on Planet Earth. The word "we" in her speech clearly referred to the future actions of our species, on a planet where the coal reserves will eventually run out, and where mining coal will soon become increasingly dangerous to us all. She clearly advocated for the coal miners in that speech, urging everyone to think of phasing out the coal miner profession gradually with honor and with assistance into other professions where they could use their abilities and skills to win good incomes and build good lives.
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)raging moderate
(4,504 posts)I can see the truth, but cannot prove it. So maddening!
Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)When we got into the mid 20th century the party ideologies started to shift. It just took longer before these conservative "democrats" to catch up with the rest of the country. CNN as usual reports are biased without context. Seeing Obama in the White House woke them up to their true conservative or bigoted leanings. Voting for a woman president? Just as bad or worse than Obama in a lot of their opinions.
TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)That was another lie that was spread and took root and grew. Hillary supports an abortion a moment before birth. Totally spread and lied about out of context. This guy is a Democrat...he hates Hillary the baby killer? An anti choice Democrat? It was very odd.
C Moon
(12,565 posts)That's just crazy!!
I hope they enjoy the next years ahead of them. :O