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BluegrassDem

(1,693 posts)
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 04:37 AM Dec 2016

What if HRC spent millions in GA and AZ?

rather than in Ohio and Iowa? Could she have carried those states? Ohio and Iowa were a royal waste of money. When Portman was having double digit leads in September, that probably was a big clue as to how it would go. Of course, this is all Monday morning quarterbacking, but it's interesting as she lost GA and AZ by lower margins than Iowa and Ohio.

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Vogon_Glory

(9,573 posts)
2. If Donnie and the Republicans let their supporters' worst impulses loose
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 06:45 AM
Dec 2016

If Donnie and the Republicans let their xenophobic base's worst impulses loose, I could imagine Arizona's Latinos turning out to punish their Republican tormentors.

Say Arizonans, what would happen if John McCain dies before 2022? Would there be a special election or what?

Raster

(20,999 posts)
4. That is a damned good question...
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 08:40 AM
Dec 2016

...AZ would have to hold a special election:

"If a vacancy occurs due to death, resignation, or expulsion the amendment allows the state legislature to empower the governor to appoint a replacement. That replacement would hold the seat until the end of the senator's current term or until a special election could be held.

The only exception is Arizona. The Grand Canyon State requires a special election for all vacancies and does not allow any temporary replacements."

http://www.infoplease.com/askeds/filling-vacant-senate-seats.html

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
3. A total misdirection of responsibility IMO. 46% of eligible voters did not vote on November 8.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 08:18 AM
Dec 2016

The American people themselves failed this country. The problem in this country goes much farther than mere campaign spending IMO.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
5. Hillary could have taken az. But in the last few of months of the election,
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 10:38 AM
Dec 2016

BIG MONEY came floating in for the Republicans. There were incessant ads for McCain.

Ace Rothstein

(3,299 posts)
6. I still cant believe how poorly she did in Ohio.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 10:46 AM
Dec 2016

Around an 800k vote swing since 2008 and 600k since 2012 despite spending a lot of time there. Whatever her message was obviously went over like a lead balloon.

StevieM

(10,541 posts)
7. If not for the Comey letter she was going to win Arizona and come damn close in Georgia.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 12:27 PM
Dec 2016

And that is assuming that the race still narrowed slightly. Even if the race was close enough that she lost Ohio and Iowa she still would have won in Arizona.

Omaha Steve

(103,522 posts)
8. The advertising decisions that helped doom Hillary Clinton
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 10:32 PM
Dec 2016

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/12/the-advertising-decisions-that-helped-doom-hillary-clinton/

By Jim Tankersley November 12

In the closing weeks of the presidential race, Hillary Clinton's campaign — and the outside groups that supported it — aired more television advertisements in Omaha than in the states of Michigan and Wisconsin combined. The Omaha ads were in pursuit of a single electoral vote in a Nebraska congressional district, which Clinton did not ultimately win, and also bled into households in Iowa, which also she did not win. Michigan and Wisconsin add up to 26 electoral votes; she appears not to have won them, either.

Strategic decisions can make all the difference in a close race. Clinton lost the White House (despite winning the popular vote) to Republican Donald Trump on the strength of about 100,000 votes in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. That is the definition of a close race.

But a review of Democrats' advertising decisions at the end of the race suggests Clinton and her allies weren't playing to win a close one. They were playing for a blowout. And it cost them.

Clinton and the groups backing her aired three times as many ads as Trump and his supporters over the course of the general election, according to data from the Wesleyan Media Project. Despite that advantage, the Democrats left several key states essentially unprotected on the airwaves as the race came to a close.

FULL story at link.

Clinton loses 32 IOWA counties to Trump won by Obama in 2012

Posted: Friday, November 11, 2016 12:00 am

By Krista Johnson

The loss of 32 Iowa counties that voted Democratic in 2012 gave Republican nominee Donald Trump the state’s six electoral votes.

While Barack Obama won the state with 38 counties in 2012, Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton claimed just six, an IowaWatch review of Tuesday’s preliminary vote shows.

Last election, Obama’s win was attributed to the larger counties he was able to maintain from his 2008 win in the state, giving him 816,429 votes to Mitt Romney’s 727,928.
But Obama lost 15 counties that he had claimed in the 2008 election, where he won 53 of Iowa’s 99 counties.

http://www.nonpareilonline.com/news/local/clinton-loses-counties-to-trump-won-by-obama-in/article_4dccd98a-16ab-52a1-9c02-52f5dd1b8884.html

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
9. What she should have done is make sure WI and MI were truly blue
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 03:42 PM
Dec 2016

To her credit she did go to PA several times but she probably should have spent more time in the suburbs--she took the cities of Pittsburgh and Philly overwhelmingly and she won the surrounding suburbs but not by the margins that were originally thought.

She should have written off Iowa in September but I read she wanted to give Trump the appearance that she was still competing there so that he would keep investing. Ohio, in retrospect, seems to have been a lost cause as well.

Wisconsin she didn't make any visits at all too and didn't spend too much time in Michigan until the end when it began to dawn on them that it was slipping away.

One day GA and AZ will be blue but probably not until 2024. We keep thinking that NC will go blue but it disappointed us not only this year but in 2012 as well.

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