"Hillary's popular vote win came from CA." Here's the answer to that:

[pnwmom]

Trump's entire Electoral College win came from Texas.

Without Texas's 38 votes, DT's 306 votes would have been reduced to only 268.
And with Texas, Hillary would have had 270.

So next time someone throws that CA canard at you, you know how to respond.

[Ken Burch]

1. OK. That works.

n/t.

[Coyotl]

32. And show them this:

Retweet image.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Both statements are true. Unfortunately that doesn't change the result.

Hillary didn't win Texas but she did win California with 3 million votes to spare. Those votes are not transferrable to other states, unfortunately.

[pnwmom]

3. The rigged system remains. But the idea that her popular vote shouldn't matter

because it could all be accounted for in CA is equivalent to saying that DT's electoral lead shouldn't matter because it all came from Texas.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. It's not that it doesn't matter - but it doesn't change the result

because of the dumb, archaic electoral college. Basically, the way the system is set up means the huge margin in CA doesn't do any good as far as actually winning the election. Once she had a majority of the votes in CA she had all of its electoral votes, but the additional 3 million above the bare majority didn't get her any more electoral votes. The popular vote does matter very much in the sense that it supports the argument that Trump has no mandate.

[pnwmom]

5. I know. She could be 5 million, even 10 million ahead in the popular vote and still lose.

But DT is trying to steal away her popular vote win in our minds by claiming it is ONLY due to CA (i.e., not "real Americans.&quot And that's crap.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. That's still 3 million votes he didn't get,

regardless of which state they came from. Suck on that, Orange Boy.

[pnwmom]

8. And with the 7+ million that went 3rd party, that's more than 10 million he didn't get. n/t

[Cha]

11. Yes, the drumpfs are trying to erase Hillary's popular vote win by

by saying that and you have an excellent retort

Remember at first they were saying 2 million illegals voted and that's why she had more votes.

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Discrediting real news.
Peddling propaganda.
Normalizing hate.
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Also..

Greg Palast ?@Greg_Palast
"In many key states, the number of people purged by #Crosscheck was much, much larger than #Trump’s margin of victory.” — @ThomHartmann pic.twitter.com/aXhJxlmdmG
7:29 AM - 16 Dec 2016

https://twitter.com/Greg_Palast/status/809812751736512512/photo/1

[jmowreader]

18. Out here in flyover country, they're STILL saying illegals voted

[pnwmom]

20. Tell them there are plenty of "illegals" in Texas, too.

And the Rethugs can't prove they didn't vote for DT.

[R B Garr]

30. And Donald Trump's wife was an "illegal".

So what does that even mean when they say it. I like your retort here.

[dionysus]

24. I can see why they came up with it, but in modern times it's

Out dated and time to be retired.

[msongs]

6. as much as the trumpenstein crowd doesnt like it, californians are AMERICans too nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

16. The mere fact that we even have to argue something so obvious only gives tRump's Nazi Party undeserved credibility.

[DonCoquixote]

9. despite the great liberals from Texas

if they ever talk of a texit again, the devil on my left shoulder will scream "let them!" After letting in the Liberal refugees, they can become the lone star state they think they are, soon to be replaced by Norteno Mexico.

[pnwmom]

10. That's how I feel, too. Let them go if they want to. n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

17. Yes, good riddance.

[hellofromreddit]

39. And this is exactly why democrats keep losing Texas.

The goal is in the other direction.

[shadowmayor]

12. Hillary won both elections

Some folks here don't like this topic, but here goes again:

Let's take a look at Michigan:

Trump wins with ~ 10,000 more votes. The crosscheck block purged ~ 450,000 votes. 75,000 votes in the Detroit area weren't even counted. Not even counted!

And now we're going after each other and crying about outside issues. Bernie cost us the election, the media was all in for tRump, Putin hacked and stole the election, the friggin' FBI ruined our chances. All seem plausible, but the fact remains there were enough votes cast to defeat tRump.

And yet - the Democrats still don't know how to fight for these votes. Think we've done all we can? Imagine if the tables were turned and the republicans knew they had a majority of the votes, yet these votes were being blocked by the democrats? They would be having a shit-fit and the teams of lawyers attacking the state halls would be vast. The other side wouldn't put up with this kind of bullshit for a nano-second if the democrats were doing it to them.

Bottom line - HRC not only won the popular count, she won the election too. And just like 2000 and 2004, the DNC and the rest of our feckless spineless leadership line up in a circular firing squad and shoot each other.

Hillary didn't lose - this election was stolen. The 5th time in my life the repukes have stolen the Presidency - Nixon, Reagan, Bush (twice) and now STFU Donnie. Sometimes it's goddamned hard to be a democrat. I expect to get crapped on by the other side, but like Charlie Brown, we keep trying to kick that football to no avail; only to find out that Lucy is a democrat. And I don't mean Lucy is Hillary, Lucy is the whole democratic party leadership apparatus.

[pnwmom]

13. 75,000 votes in Detroit weren't counted? I missed that.

Thanks for the post, shadowmayor.

[TreasonousBastard]

15. Well, there's a big "BUT"...

There's no indication of fraud in those missing votes. There are some legal problems recounting going back to a 1954 Michigan law, and the scanners basically crapped out. Human error dealing with the ballots made things worse. (The same humans some people want hand counting ballots left ballots lying around...)

New machines are on order and should arrive sometime next year.

Anyway, even if Hillary got all of those votes, it would not have helped.

http://time.com/4599886/detroit-voting-machine-failures-were-widespread-on-election-day/

[LittleGirl]

14. Spot on

every last word of that. the republicans have won 1 in 7 of the last elections. just ask david frum.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

19. Thanks again Texas.

That's 2!

[JustinL]

21. another response: "Trump's Wisconsin win came from Waukesha County"

His Pennsylvania win came from Lancaster County. His Michigan win came from Macomb County. Remove those three counties and Clinton wins all three states.

[Kilgore]

23. If a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass when he hops

She didnt. Now we move forward and change strategy for 2020.

[onenote]

36. +1. And Texas and those counties are still going to be part of the vote in 2020

So we better figure out how to do better in those areas or in other areas of those states rather than wishing them away.

[Aimee in OKC]

27. Various machines in those 3 states' counties ...

Michigan:
Macomb = ES&S ... Model 100 336 precincts
Macomb = Premier/Diebold (Dominion) ... AccuVote OS

(Wayne = ES&S ...Model 100 1007 precincts }
* * *
Pennsylvania
Lancaster = Hart InterCivic eSlate ... DRE-Dial 242 precincts
Lancaster = Hart InterCivic eScan ... Optical Scan
* * *
Wisconsin
Waukesha = Election Systems & Software ... DS200 Optical Scan

Excerpts: ES&S M100 is easy to fool with counterfeit ballots; the DS200: if the unit is powered on without a memory stick inserted, the interface screen becomes unresponsive ; the Hart system: network interfaces are not secured against direct attack and there is little/no use of protective cryptography.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
MACHINES' DOCUMENTED MULTIPLE SECURITY CONCERNS
Election Systems & Software:
https://www.verifiedvoting.org/resources/voting-equipment/ess/m100/ { Michigan }
https://www.verifiedvoting.org/resources/voting-equipment/ess/ds200/ {Wisconsin }
Hart InterCivic
https://www.verifiedvoting.org/resources/voting-equipment/hart-intercivic/escan/ {Pennsylvania }
https://www.verifiedvoting.org/resources/voting-equipment/hart-intercivic/eslate/ {Pennsylvania }

[Pacifist Patriot]

22. I keep my response to: "Hillary's pop vote majority came from Americans."

End of story.

[aikoaiko]

25. Why did we win TX?

[unblock]

26. really the whole point of popular vote (vs. electoral college) is that geography doesn't matter.

[deist99]

28. Thanks

I will use that next time.

[Joe941]

29. Why talk about popular vote? As we all know all too well its the electoral vote that counts.

[pnwmom]

34. Because acknowledging that Hillary won the popular vote -- by far -- takes away

his claim of a mandate.

[Joe941]

37. tRump doesn't care about mandate - this is a ego trip for him.

[pnwmom]

38. DT DOES care about it -- enough to lie about it. And we need to point out the lie. n/t

[Joe941]

41. OK. Everyone knows Clinton won the popular vote. YAY!

[Madam45for2923]

31. more than 1 out of 10 Americans live in California!

More than 37 million.

[Coyotl]

33. The Democratic party platform won the election, by nearly 3 million votes.

[BainsBane]

35. Californians matter less

Their rights matter less and their votes matter less. The state isn't white enough to count.
The disgusting thing is that some who pretend to be on the left repeat those GOP talking points, which tells me that like the GOP they see Democrats as less equal than Republicans.

It's becoming increasingly clear to me that the complaints about the party being too "centrist" are by those who seek to remake it in the image of the GOP.

[boston bean]

43. It is so weird to hey want us to appeal to republicans. Go left they say!

Yeah right.

[book_worm]

40. And she did much better in Texas than he did in CA

[lame54]

42. You mean the state with...

All the fucking money
The one that the red states leech off of