2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWho has been the WORST President of YOUR lifetime? And Why?
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immoderate
(20,885 posts)Reagan systematically reversed the reforms that brought prosperity to this country.
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TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)He did more than anybody to install the permanent ruling class.
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toddwv
(2,831 posts)up until the Patriot Act...
Reagan's legacy lives on today in "Trickle Down" economics which has simply decimated the middle class and instilled the idea that government is the enemy at all levels.
Reter
(2,188 posts)Didn't it originally pass almost 100%?
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)which is why he got my vote. My second would be Nixon, as opening trade relations with China eventually decimated our manufacturing industry.
earthside
(6,960 posts)Nixon promoted bad policies and he was a crook ... a much worse human being than G. W. Bush.
Cheney on the other hand has the Nixon type persona.
But, I'm in my late 50s and I also have to say that Bush-Cheney come in a close second to Nixon-Agnew.
Watergate and the reform movement that were a consequences of that scandal (plus the anti-war effort, of course) are what made me a dyed-in-the-wool progressive.
starroute
(12,977 posts)Environmental Protection Agency, Endangered Species Act, opening relations with China ...
Reagan didn't do one positive thing that I can remember and he did a lot more long-term damage.
unblock
(54,492 posts)that doesn't make him the worst president.
shrub was too pathetically stupid and vacuous to rise to nixon's personal level of heinousness, but he gave the keys of the castle to cheney, who made nixon look positively saintly by comparison. shrub looted the treasury, turning record surplus into record deficits; he pissed away that wealth grotesquely disproportionately to the super-rich; he caused the worst economic collapse since the roaring 20s he tried to model his presidency after; the dow was lower EIGHT YEARS after he took office, something NO OTHER PRESIDENT HAS EVER MANAGED; he lied to the world to get us into a stupid, costly, and entirely pointless war, causing lasting problems in many areas.
reagan is the only president who could give shrub a run for his money in the worst president ever contest, largely beause it can be argued that without reagan there could be no shrub.
nixon? sorry, he's bush league compared to, er, shrub....
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)The "madman bomber," persona, or alter ego that Nixon displayed. Nixon called for increased diplomacy at the Paris talks while secretly planning his drunken orgy of the Christmas Day stone age bombing campaign.
exboyfil
(18,110 posts)Disaster with both domestic and international policy. Add to that largest loss of life in the U.S. since the Civil War. Biggest economic collapse since the Great Depression. Largest percentage increase in deficit since World War II. Starts a war with less provocation than the Spanish American War and promptly loses it nearly to the level of Vietnam.
I was a Reagan Republican in my youth. A big part of why I am not now is GWB.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)CrispyQ
(38,967 posts)The damage in those eight years, I don't know if we'll recover.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)The guy had some good ideas, but he was the first President of my lifetime that was not able to get anything accomplished.
randys1
(16,286 posts)CrispyQ
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JustAnotherGen
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IronLionZion
(47,402 posts)worst president ever!
randys1
(16,286 posts)Ineptness, corruption, stealing, lying, torturing, etc.
wryter2000
(47,671 posts)I voted for W, but I probably would have given Raygun a vote if possible. Aside from all the gawd-awful things he did, he also made the sort of "conservatism" we have now possible by putting a happy face on it. He started the wholehearted disregard for facts, the bald-faced lying, and the utter lack of concern for the well-being of our fellow human beings.
Without Raygun, Bush and his ilk would have been impossible.
get the red out
(13,682 posts)He lied to the American people to get us into a war with Iraq. He got us into a never-ending war with Afghanistan. He is responsible for the countless dead and horribly wounded in all nations involved.
Faux pas
(15,507 posts)clueless lout. Trickle down, iran-contra and more. When he was gov of Cali, he closed down mental hospitals and added more to the homeless population. He f-ed with unions and state colleges. The generation before mine made him Pres, they weren't paying attention.
riqster
(13,986 posts)In fact, I have never once called him by that title.
JustAnotherGen
(34,278 posts)

riqster
(13,986 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... in terms of running the mess behind the scenes that Bush was a face for. Bush was the avenue for the Cheney hawks to get their damaging agenda to happen.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)except I wasn't born yet when he was Pres. He arguably did the most out of any of our most recent presidents to undo the New Deal by popularizing trickle-down, he drastically lowered top taxes from Carter while raising taxes on the poor, he escalated the Cold War, and he exploited white conservatives' resentment of blacks (Welfare Queens) in order to further his agenda.
However, I have to admit--Bush ll is easily a close second. I'll never forget how frightened I was on the morning of 9/11, as my Dad was driving me to school and we heard about the WTC attacks on the radio. I genuinely wanted him to succeed, but he did a horrible job as president keeping the country safe, and as we all know--his policies cost us jobs.
Bush ll and the GOP in general ironically are the main reason why I became interested in politics in the first place, and why I'll stay involved until the day I die.
Gothmog
(157,543 posts)I had no trouble picking reagan
JustAnotherGen
(34,278 posts)Because my dad would scream at the t.v. a lot more when Reagan was on. And well - he'd say things like - Stop acting like a Republican (stupid) when I was a kid. And he would threaten to drop me off at the White House (Reagan Era) when I was being a brat.
Yeah - I kind of grew up like that!
Reagan set things in motion, but W really did a number on the US, morally, financially, in every way possible. We are still suffering through the aftereffects, and I do wonder if we will ever fully recover.
LuvNewcastle
(17,085 posts)There was virtually no one in office for 8 years. The wealthy have been control of America for a long time, but there's usually been that moderating influence in the Oval Office. It was a crucial time in our history and we had no one. One or two more terms like that, and I don't think the country could handle it. I really don't.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Lochloosa
(16,473 posts)All this shit started with him, the shrub just brought back the same players in the background to finish it.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Arkana
(24,347 posts)I can't count it, as horrible as he was.
Dubya puts him to shame anyway.
Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)
Auggie
(32,029 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)idiocy a long lasting impact that will rival Reagan's.
liberal N proud
(61,025 posts)Even Dubya thanks to the Reagan's SCOTUS appointments.
PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)The father of new American Fascism, the destroyer of the middle class, corrupt as the day is long and dumber than a rock.
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)I met Raygun in person when he was running for governor...man, what a total idiot. I cannot recall what organization was hosting an campaign function for him, but I got in the door and made myself at home...just like I was a fan...gag.
I was in HS...and he could not answer even one of my questions. I looked like a little conservative sweetheart...they shudda NEVAH let me near a mic! LMAO!!!! I looked Repuke...but under that pageboy and shirtwaist dress beat the heart of a rebel!
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Chan790
(20,176 posts)It's almost word-for-word the description I use to explain why I hate the Clintons.
Reter
(2,188 posts)He wasn't being disrespectful at all. The OP asked a question, and he answered it in detail, in the least possible offensive way. Although I disagree with a lot of what he said, it's disgusting that he was censored for his honest opinion.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)I don't think Clinton was nearly as bad as Bush (but I understand the poster's logic), but I REALLY don't understand why this post is hidden.
Not cool. Not cool at all.
joshcryer
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dtotire
(1,889 posts)Launching an unnecessary war. He will be rated one of the ten worst of all time.
catbyte
(36,268 posts)happy horror. Income inequality, union-busting, sucking up to the Christofascists. It all started there.
Two criminal wars, lots of war crimes, fucked-up economy, 9/11, Patriot Act, need I say more?
benld74
(10,046 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)sheshe2
(89,319 posts)For the wars, for the lies, for nearly bring this country to her knees economically.
He also affected me personally. A week before Christmas the small company I worked for announced that it was closing. That was in 2007. I had been with them for 11 years and making good money. I was scared to death to look for a job at 54. I was one of the lucky ones, I was only unemployed for 5 months.
However the only job I could find paid half of what I was making before. I had to sell my house as a result. It's hard making it on your own.
I know so many others had it worse than I do. So to all
Beer Snob-50
(6,676 posts)1. took clinton's surplus and made it into the biggest deifict in history
2. started two wars based on lies.
TBF
(34,986 posts)Jimmy Carter and the gas lines. Reagan really ended the middle class experiment when he cut the capital gains tax, but I picked GWB because he was able to get the Patriot Act passed and it has issued in fascism for all practical purposes.
Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)He let New Orleans drown in the Federal Flood, not to mention the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)rudimentary understanding of politics during Obama, Bush 43, and Clinton. And maybe towards the end of Bush 41's term.
Bush 43 was terrible though. I was alive during Reagan and from everything I read he was terrible too, but I was in elementary school at the time.
kairos12
(13,365 posts)and Dems have been playing catch up ever since.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)Lying the country into war and ruining the economy.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)On the economic front, he put supply-side bullshit into the mainstream, and massive deficit spending that is used as the cugel to cut spending we desperately need to be doing.
On the political front, he yanked the country's "steering wheel" to the right. Everything after was just continuing down that road. And massively popularized the "government can't do anything" bullshit.
On the foreign policy front, his massive military spending followed by "tough guys spend money on the military" resulted in such a large military complex that its use is irresistible.
In other words, W was awful, but he just carried out what Reagan started.
Blue Idaho
(5,500 posts)Add to that bloody Margaret Thatcher in the UK and you've got the beginning of the 1% and the end of the middle class.
Damn them both.
LeftishBrit
(41,318 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,817 posts)I do not feel the need to further justify my choice
madamesilverspurs
(16,126 posts)In addition to his horridness, he made possible both Bush presidents. Some things just cannot be forgiven.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)brought in these ridiculous wars and the collapse of the economy, and Reagan sowed the seeds for disaster capitalism. They were both really bad, like really really bad for the country and its future.
Warpy
(113,131 posts)However, Stupid was the perfect storm of economic, diplomatic and fiscal incompetence. He did massive damage to the country as a whole by continuing Reagan's policies at home and wrecking our reputation internationally.
I'd have to give the shit trophy to Stupid.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Among W, Reagan and Nixon, but I picked W. He trashed the economy and was responsible for the deaths of thousands. He humiliated us on the world stage and was an embarrassment. I used to shudder every time he talked to a world leader.
Skittles
(161,554 posts)Reagan was a piece of shit but at least he did not embarrass America every time he spoke, and he WAS legitimately elected (because of his ability to fool SO many people)
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)demosincebirth
(12,761 posts)tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)Granted during the Reagan administration, I had no idea what was going on (baby-8)
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Hurricane Katrina
The Financial Crisis
The 2000 Election
Pandering to the U.S. Talibangelicals
Willfully Attacking the U.S. Constitution (known in the Republican Party as "That Goddamn Piece of Paper"

DFW
(57,102 posts)dba/ George W. Bush
66 dmhlt
(1,941 posts)fifthoffive
(382 posts)Destroyer of the middle-class.
greatlaurel
(2,012 posts)His senility was happily hidden by the newly compliant news media. That administration really started the down hill slide for the USA. They started with PATCO, but the farmers of the Midwest were next in line. The number of small farms driven out of business was shocking and it was all done because of Reagan's farm policies. Driving through the middle of the US at the time was stomach turning, if you were paying attention.
ancianita
(39,522 posts)I hated him and was glad when he got shot. Then the country went back to sleep.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)by others and also for his inhuman silence in the face of the greatest health care crisis of our times, for the many who died all over the world because of the years lost to Reagan's apathy and heartlessness.
november3rd
(1,113 posts)He handed the country to the Royalists after fifty years of popular self-government. W is just a footnote.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)Last edited Mon May 12, 2014, 07:59 AM - Edit history (1)
Thumbs down all the way. Didn't walk the walk, nor talk the talk. Tanked the economy. Went to war with inaccurate data. Major act of terrorism on his watch, which could have been prevented. The information was there!! Approved water boarding. The list goes on and on. He and his coworkers should be in prison, Cheney included.
Joe Bacon
(5,167 posts)Worst. President. Ever.
Makes Buchanan look like Superman.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)trublu992
(489 posts)Sending us to hell. We'll be suffering under this Supreme court for I know not.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Reagan set the country on such a negative path, W screwed us over. How do we choose?
Given total damage, I've got to go for Reagan.
struggle4progress
(121,216 posts)"Holy frookin moly! This dude is even worse than Nixon!" Then the Bush Lite era began: he was the worst of them all
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)Ugh...........
One liberal lifetime and those two total assholes right in my face!
Dubya was the worst of my lifetime. Being born in '93, I've only lived through him, Clinton, and Obama and while Obama and Clinton had a number of faults of their own, they weren't nearly as bad as Dubya, heck I knew at the age of seven (that's how old I was during the 2000 election) that Dubya and Cheney were gonna be trouble. There was just something about them. Unfortunately, none of us knew just how bad they would be. God how I wish Gore won.
RandySF
(71,644 posts)and W did more damage in the shortest time ever.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)I don't want to go on a tirade - but I react viscerally when I hear his name or see his face. Not only did I suffer through Shrub as prez, but as governor of Texas too. It was like watching a train that I knew was going to crash and take a lot of people out with it but could do nothing to stop it.
He fucked up this country bad.
joshcryer
(62,513 posts)Bush set it back permanently. We will never recover from it as a culture.
Dawson Leery
(19,388 posts)to undo the damage Bush did. The prestige that America once held in the world cannot be recovered.
SeattleVet
(5,630 posts)I served in the Air Force under Nixon, Ford, Carter, and Reagan. I was stationed in Germany when he was elected the first time and I damn near threw a combat boot through the TV when the returns started coming in. I saw which way the wind was blowing and left the service in 1984 after serving for 12 years. The doddering SOB had already invaded Grenada, and I knew that he would manage to find some other way for us to get shot at again for no good reason. I don't think I've ever uttered his last name without prefacing it 'that bastard'.
For all the griping by the wing nuts, I liked and trusted Carter the most out of the bunch. I think he was an honorable man that got slimed by the Reagan machine and forced out of office. The Iran/Contra 'Arms for Hostages' deal (and the backdoor deals leading up it) to release our people as soon as he was sworn in was one of the slimiest political moves I've ever seen, and I know a lot of other ex-military that have never forgiven him for that.
shenmue
(38,538 posts)Although Reagan sucked too.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Second would be a close one between Nixon and Reagan.
knownow
(53 posts)I saw my chances for a higher education slip away in 1981 and then I saw them vanish. A loan for college was not something I could afford, I couldn't afford to work and go to school. I had two jobs from time to time so I could pay rent and eat. Paying a loan didn't make any sense and I would not take one. Finally, I was forced to take a loan which ended in disaster, with homelessness and no help. There is no dignity in homelessness. Illness pushed me out of the job market completely in 2003. I really feel I could have had a more productive education if Reagan hadn't deregulated the banking industry.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)the Regan Revolution, and the Shrub practically finished us off.
50 Reasons You Despised George W. Bush's Presidency: A Reminder on the Day of His Presidential Library Dedication
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/50-reasons-you-despised-george-w-bushs-presidency-reminder-day-his-presidential
The GOP's 'trickle down' economy has destroyed the American middle class
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-gop-s-trickle-down-economy-has-destroyed-the-american-middle-class
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TeamPooka
(25,577 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)I finally chose Chimpo because while I didn't like Raygun, Chimpo always made me want to throw things at my TV.
Sancho
(9,111 posts)G.W. Bush was stupid, and Reagan was a joke...but Nixon was a professional crook.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)who went on to win the dubious distinction of receiving the most indictments and convictions of any administration, before or since.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration_scandals
Aristus
(68,997 posts)Because if Reagan had never attained the White House, George W. Bush today would be a drunken, possibly divorced, one-time failed congressional candidate and ne'er-do-well son of the CIA chief and nothing else, spending his empty days in dive bars drinking Coors Lights by the dozen, and muttering to himself.
Reagan set the stage for the exercise in stupidity, provincialism, reflexive militarism and mean-spirited blockheadedness that serves as the ideal of Republican presidential governance.
Reagan was the Ur-Dubyah. He grinningly proclaimed that government was the problem, and then spent the rest of his fuzzbrained, astrology-guided life proving it.
When Reagan finally rid the Earth of his Depends-wearing presence, no doubt to get away from that hatchet-faced, empty headed hag he inexplicably gave up Jane Wyman for, and slid down the greased-chute to the Hell he so richly deserved, he no doubt had Satan tsk-tsk-ing over the sudden precipitous drop in the quality of his new recruits.
Reagan was not simply the worst President in American history; he was, quite possibly, the worst human being ever, and is currently battling it out with Caligula, Gilles De Rais, and Joseph Stalin over who gets the trophy.
Gothmog
(157,543 posts)Reagan was a truly stupid person and did a great deal of damage to our country
apnu
(8,790 posts)Because he's the shit bag that started all this Conservative bullshit we put up with today.
W was bad, really bad, but he never would have been (se)elected were it not for Reagan cronies and Bush family connections.
MBS
(9,688 posts)As a friend once wrote, "Reagan and W are bookends of an era". Reagan (and the voters who voted for him, TWICE) started it all, but W (and the voters who voted for him TWICE, leaving aside for the moment the fact that both elections were stolen) was the horrible, damaging (not to mention globally embarrassing) consequence of decades of Reaganism's stupidity, shortsightedness, proud ignorance and greed.
Nixon (who was my dad's Enemy #1) is equally horrible, the only difference being that there were more people opposing him when he was president, and a Democratic congress to fight back, when he was president. Nixon did a lot of damage, but not everyone had drunk the Kool Aid at that point. It's a mark of the horrors of the Reagan and W presidencies (and, again, the voters and the Supreme Court, that made their presidencies possible) that we have had to endure presidents even worse than Nixon.
rurallib
(63,402 posts)I made T-sirt in 2004 that said "George W. Bush - Worst President Ever"
Only two people challenged me - one was an asshole Republican and the other asked if I thought him worse than Buchanan?
In history I would rank W the worst, then Reagan, Buchanan, Hoover, Polk.
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)You never forget your first Republican.
So many things: no-knock (ability for police to barrel in with no warning; this was how Fred Hampton was murdered by the Chicago police), the carpet bombing of Cambodia, the expansion of the Vietnam War into Cambodia and Laos in the first place, the appointment of Rehnquist, which set the template for all of the awful judges that have come after (especially Scalia, who redefines evil in America, to me), the overthrow of Allende, I could go on for days and days.
For an idea of what it was like to live under Nixon, read Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72. No other book captures the essence of Nixon's corruption and even pure evil so perfectly.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)Nixon had some redeeming qualities that Reagan lacked and that were entirely absent in GWB.
Nixon created the EPA and signed the Clean Air Act and the Clean Water Act. Nixon also make very significant expansions to the social safety net. Now granted, some of that was to try to earn "brownie points" so he could continue raping and pillaging SE Asia. But hey, a stopped clock and all that.
Reagan did a decent thing or two. He expanded and strengthened the Earned Income Credit Tax that helps poor people. Reagan (like Nixon) knew how to deal effectively with China and Russia; despite a lot of ass hattery during his term, I'll give Ronnie some props for serious arms reductions.
Bush Sr? Pretty much a chair-warmer, if you ask me.
Junior? Shit, where to begin. He gets my vote every time.
MBS
(9,688 posts)Can't really disagree. Thanks for the reminder about "Fear and Loathing". .Time to re-read that. I wonder what Hunter Thompson would have to say about the current batch of congressional Republicans. . a lot, I'm sure! I miss his stinging insights.
Dawson Leery
(19,388 posts)He made permanent the right wing policy shifts which began under Nixon and snowballed under St. Ronnie.
Add in the war crimes of Iraq and Torture plus the economic collapse, on performance Bush Jr. was the worst.
FSogol
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Yavin4
(36,887 posts)and with it, the middle class. He so thoroughly decimated labor that the Democratic party abandoned labor with Bill Clinton in 1992.
Reagan did this by using coded, yet highly charged, racial rhetoric that split White working class people from other races. White working class people believed that Reagan was on their side simply because they shared the same skin color. To this day, the White working class still supports Republicans out of some kind of mis-guided racial solidarity instead of seeing them as the destroyer of the middle class. Because of this mindset, we cannot get a decent minimum wage, a real national healthcare plan, movement on climate change, lower education costs, etc.
Europe has just as many racists, homophobic, sexists , etc. people like we do, but they still vote for their class interests first. Margaret Thatcher couldn't dismantle the UK's public health system.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,692 posts)I was too young to vote when Reagan was President. But I sure wasn't too young when Dubya was.
craigmatic
(4,510 posts)Gram Parsons
(7 posts)W started an unjustified war that killed over 100 thousand and will end up costing as much as 30 trillion.
McCamy Taylor
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LeftishBrit
(41,318 posts)first place. Bush would not have been able to do half the harm he did, if Reagan hadn't paved the way.
Admittedly, I also hate Reagan because he was best pal and close collaborator with the worst British PM of my lifetime, and perhaps of the last century, Maggie Thatcher!
hamsterjill
(15,601 posts)The second Bush years were the absolute worst in my lifetime.
First the SOB ruined my beloved Texas, and then he went on to screw up America. And ALL because he was a Bush.