The Silencing of the Hillary Clinton Supporter

[HAB911]

The media’s obsession with the white populist narrative serves two purposes: telling women who supported Hillary they don’t matter and exonerating itself from being culpable in her loss.

Last Friday, Hillary Clinton delivered the commencement speech at her alma mater, Wellesley, to a rapt audience of young women, just as Rebecca Traister’s New York magazine cover story went live online, vaulting the former presidential candidate back into the news. And with Clinton’s interview at Recode’s Code2017 yesterday where she addressed the myriad reasons for her loss, so came the return of trolls and the tiresome exegesis that demands a single “truth”: that Clinton lost because she and her campaign failed to connect with the white working class. Misogyny, James Comey, the Russians be damned.

https://www.damemagazine.com/2017/06/01/silencing-hillary-clinton-supporter

[Wellstone ruled]

1. Noticed before the Evening News Cycle,

there were anti Hillary Posts popping up all over. The most ignorant statement came from Mrs. Greenspan.

[jrthin]

2. As always. nt

[Wellstone ruled]

5. With the speed of infomation

dispersion,stories are pumped out in seconds,and yes there are people who are paid to pump these types of stories.

The GOP has a history of doing this crap since the Nixon years.

[Cha]

7. andrea is so jealous.. the green eyed monster

[Wellstone ruled]

13. She sure carries a chip on shoulder big time.

Apparently something to do with Billy and her Hubby. This in it's self disqualifies Mitchell as a so called Reporter. But,though out her Career,she tends to shoot herself in the foot from time to time.

[Eliot Rosewater]

3. Most qualified candidate to run for President, period.

Here is why we are done and done, for sure.

MILLIONS of people who think they are progressives are going to DEMAND a purity that is not possible AT THIS time for 2018, result will be MORE seats for GOP, not less, or at a minimum DNC will NOT take back EITHER house.

Some of them work for Putin, the rest, the vast majority are idealists who heard Bernie say Hillary was corrupt and that was that.

[JHan]

4. Same as during the election. DU was one of few places I could voice my support openly without attack

[Me.]

6. What A Wonderful Article

Thank you

[lunamagica]

8. It felt so good to read this. I'm sick and tired of being told that she lost, and I should get over

it. Well guess what? I will NOT get over it!

Something that upsets me is that I'm afraid to wear and display stuff sporting Hillary. I fear I will be harassed, or even attacked over it. Sadly, this started in the primaries. I never had this fear when I supported other candidates.

[murielm99]

11. This entire website came into being

because we did not want to get over the selection of Dubya and the terrorist attack on September 11.

If we did not have to get over Gore and the country being cheated, I am sure as hell not going to get over HRC. She was our nominee. Period. She is the most qualified person ever to have run for President. Period. I don't care if the critics are on the left or the right, they are not going to shut me up. Period.

[SunSeeker]

17. Good point! nt

[iluvtennis]

33. Here ye, here ye

[brer cat]

9. That is a great read

and something of a comfort to me to stop and sit for a moment with someone who understands. This really hit home:

"The brutal response McIntosh is referring to was the way in which expressions of unreserved support for Clinton were often met with accusations of featherbrained fangirl-dom, or vagina-voting."

We faced that here on DU as well as elsewhere: having our support for Hillary denigrated as though we were simple minded. For many of us, Hillary represented the culmination of the decades that we toiled relentlessly for equality and to have our voices heard and respected. Yes, we rejoiced to FINALLY see a woman at the top of the ticket, yet I don't know a single person who supported her just because she was a woman. We knew her strengths and her temperament, her opinions and priorities, we knew the policies she would enact, how she would represent us on the world stage. That is what drew us to her, and made us want to see her in the White House.

Thank you for posting this, HAB911.

[yallerdawg]

10. Ask Kathy Griffin about getting angry.

...Hillary tells Traister that she is angry, of course, but that “as a woman in public life, you can’t be angry for yourself. You just can’t. You can be indignant, you can be annoyed, you can be frustrated, but you can’t be angry… I don’t think anger’s a strategy.” What it is, is a white man’s privilege. Recall that people fantasized about the anger of the notoriously calm Obama, too (Key and Peele’s “Angry Obama” sketch was a particularly brilliant fantasy).  But Hillary’s voters, like Obama’s, are angry—and remain so. Injustice tends to make many of us furious. Still, we can’t express ours, either. When we do, we still, even now, get shut down by trolls online, fight with neighbors and friends and family, are sometimes even harassed by strangers...

[geek tragedy]

16. John Kerry got very angry in public in 2006, and Hillary was amongst those

telling him to get the f@ck off the stage.

[SunSeeker]

18. Hillary has never told anyone to "get the f@ck off the stage." nt

[geek tragedy]

21. asdf

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/20148970/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/t/clinton-kerry-alliance/#.WTHHxMuGMdU

Then, in October 2006, when Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Kerry were both considering presidential bids in 2008, she inflicted damage on him by labeling as “inappropriate” the joke that Mr. Kerry had told at the height of the campaign season. Mr. Kerry, deviating from his prepared remarks, had suggested that students who did not work hard could “get stuck in Iraq.”

As it happens, Democrats close to Mr. Kerry say that some of his donors decided to support Mr. Obama over Mrs. Clinton because she knocked Mr. Kerry when he was already down.

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https://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2006/11/01/the-joke-is-over-part-ii/?_r=0

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, out campaigning for re-election, called Mr. Kerry’s initial remarks “inappropriate.”
More important, she said that elections are about the future, and “we don’t have to be re-fighting the 2004 election, as much as President Bush would like that.”

We don't need to be re-fighting the 2016 election, as much as President Tr*mp would like that.

[LisaM]

22. Good grief. She said his joke was inappropriate.

If someone made that mild a remark about something Hillary said and apologized, it would roll off her back like water off a duck. I don't think that's kicking someone when they're down!

I'm sorry, but I think that is a reach. Anyone who chose Obama over Clinton based on that remark was going to pick Obama over Clinton anyway.

[geek tragedy]

23. "we don't have to be refighting the 2004 election."

She said this after John Kerry was defending against attacks on his patriotism, just like he had to in 2004.

Kerry and his people understood exactly what she meant by that choice of words.

[LisaM]

25. I think you're cherry picking, but we'll have to agree to disagree.

This is also a distraction from the topic of this thread, which is a very well-written and moving article.

[SunSeeker]

31. So you apparently admit she never said that.

All you cite is her describing as "inn appropriate" a bad joke by Kerry about failing students ending up in Iraq. As I recall, Kerry himself apologized for the joke, so he too thought it was inappropriate. That is not telling him to get the fuck off the stage.

You are wrong. Trump does not want us relitigating what happened in 2016. What happened in 2016 is very different than what happened in 2004. We were attacked by a foreign adversary who conspired with the Trump campaign to put a totally incompetent, fascistic man-baby in the Oval Office. We can't just let that go, as much as Trump, and you, would like that.

[Hekate]

12. KnR

It makes me crazy that we have to keep fighting it here as well

[cadmium]

14. KnR

[SunSeeker]

15. It happens right here on DU. Many outspoken Hillary supporters are alert-stalked.

Many live in a "flagged for review" limbo.

[murielm99]

19. And they seem to stay there in limbo forever.

Isn't there supposed to be a time limit? One way or the other?

[SunSeeker]

20. I have no idea, but I really miss them. Some of my faborite posters are among them.

[spooky3]

36. See this reply when I asked the admins a similar question:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/125912555

[demigoddess]

34. yes,i got flagged and banned from just saying that "I liked bernie, but I supported

Hillary. " from Hillary supporters.

[LisaM]

24. This is a terrific article and it brought tears to my eyes.

Rage, frustration, anger, despair, and sadness all at once.

[apcalc]

26. Nope , not getting over it. Not now , not ever.

This country is so backward when it comes to strong women. Revoltingly backward.
Screw 'em.

[Les Cowbell]

27. Here's what one of Hilary's longest, most loyal supporters has to say:

From Patti Solis Doyle:
I ❤️ @HillaryClinton but I'm tired of hearing who/what she blames 4 loss. Want 2 hear how Ds can win in 2018, 2020 & beyond. Time 2 move on

Link to tweet

…
3:50 PM - 31 May 2017

I think many on here need to take heed. Or you can keep at it, attacking Kerry, Doyle, Franken etc., putting your love for Hilary above all else and the Dems lose again in 2018 and beyond and the suffering of those you say you care about gets worse.

[DownriverDem]

30. Really?

I don't attack any left leaner. The only thing that really bothers me it that Bernie isn't a Dem. Sorry. We have a two party system no matter how folks want us to think otherwise.

[Les Cowbell]

37. It's not about Bernie

I voted for Hillary in the primary. I believe in investigating and fixing what was done in the 2016 election by the repubs and Russians. But I agree with Franken and the focus should be on winning in 2018 and beyond.

[deurbano]

32. "Hillary Clinton Must Not Be Silent" We can't forget the extraordinary events that put Donald Trump

in the White House.


http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a55410/hillary-clinton-2016-election-comments/

[Les Cowbell]

38. And if "the fight" leads to more repub wins?

You're ok with that?

[deurbano]

39. And if "not fighting" leads to more repub wins? You're ok with that?

[Les Cowbell]

40. If you think blaming fellow Dems and rerunning the 2016 election is "fighting" the repubs ...

then you and people like you will mean more losses in the future for Democrats.

[deurbano]

41. Agree to disagree. And you are already blaming me "and people like" me for

future losses when revelations about what happened during the election are still unfolding?

The Republicans have done nothing but scream and throw tantrums and here they are. We need to become better at "working the refs" as Eric Alterman has often pointed out. The Republicans are experts at it, so the media kiss their asses, while the polite, civil, "let's just move on... nothing to see here" Democrats are rewarded with the NYT and Washington Post posting excerpts from a sleazy, completely un-newsworthy Breitbart publication, "Clinton Cash" just as Clinton begins her campaign. They always feel they have to bend over backwards to preemptively trash our side to satisfy the perpetually aggrieved and whining right-wing cry babies who are always shrieking about the liberal media. (Just so the whiners can later scream "FAKE NEWS!" anyway.)

Franklin was answering a question and he barely said anything, BUT he also said Clinton has a right to analyze what happened.

“And I think she has a right to analyze what happened, but we do have to move on. And we have to move on by proving we are the party that cares about a lot of the people who voted for Donald Trump.”

I agree with him. (Not that I am prepared to give a rat's ass about Trump voters just yet, given where they have brought us... but yes, work on our proposals and messaging, and show them how screwed they are under 45, and why Dems are better.) But It's possible to look to the future while also exposing the truth of what came before. In fact, we can't really come up with a winning strategy without correctly identifying WHY we lost. Clinton earned the right to point out what SHE thinks went wrong. Just read the Charles Pierce article. He's not some big Clinton apologist.

Comey was a giant issue. (Even 45's pollster said Comey cost Clinton the election.) What about fake news? Russia's role? The "liberal" press (see "Clinton Cash" above)? Voter suppression (very successful in Wisconsin, for example)? Misogyny? White nationalism... and racism, in general? The state of the DNC when Clinton's campaign began? (Hadn't heard that before.) Some Sanders' supporters (I started out as one) were not just pro-Sanders but anti-Clinton, and said she was basically the same as that disgusting piece of orange filth. (Did that cost votes in close states by dampening voter enthusiasm, leading to third party, write-in or no voting?) Maybe you don't agree with all of these possible issues... or any of them... but identifying what went wrong is a necessary precursor to making sure it doesn't happen again. I mean, we can't cure misogyny, but maybe if we shriek loudly enough about it, it will at least be on the radar. And who cares anymore what anyone thinks about the shrieking or the shriekers? Look where we are! Shrieking works.

My daughter saw Elizabeth Warren, yesterday, and she said Democrats can be too nice when it comes to politics. I agree.

[DownriverDem]

28. More of us

We must not and never will give up our fight.

[lark]

29. Hillary won.

There's 90 proven voting machines that have been proven to have provided wrong totals and 534 (thirty something, can't remember exact #) machines that need to be examined and are most likely compromised. So was it Russia or Repugs that violated these machines? Either way, Hillary won and the election was stolen, same thing that happened to Gore, except this time the Russians were heavily involved.

[lunamagica]

35. And this most be said over, and over again. It's the truth, and we will NOT

shut up about this either

[PunkinPi]

42. K&R

[myraphilips]

43. We will always matter

We will always matter and continue to grow in importance in this world as the world grows despite what the naysayers and anti-feminists may say. TimesUp