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EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 03:02 AM Jun 2016

Democrats are NOT for gun control.

Democrats have held the Presidency for 8 years and in that time over 200,000 Americans have died at the end of a gun. And yet neither Democratic candidate has offered anything close to a meaningful plan to deal with this problem. Neither have any Republicans btw.

Americans - the mainstream - are happy to trade endless gun death for the freedom to own unlimited weaponry. Democrats are no different.

If you want gun control - if that's your main voting issue - there's no one running that represents you. And there likely won't be any time soon.

And If you hear a politician trying to claim they're tough on guns, they're lying to you.

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Democrats are NOT for gun control. (Original Post) EdwardBernays Jun 2016 OP
Sorry you feel that way about the Democratic Party. safeinOhio Jun 2016 #1
Common sense gun control EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #4
Bill Clinton signed the assault weapons ban in 1993... dubyadiprecession Jun 2016 #2
Assault weapons EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #5
Democratic Party on Gun Control billh58 Jun 2016 #3
You realise EdwardBernays Jun 2016 #6
Still violating the SOP are you? billh58 Jun 2016 #7
baloney jimmy the one Jun 2016 #8

safeinOhio

(34,080 posts)
1. Sorry you feel that way about the Democratic Party.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:38 AM
Jun 2016

To move toward some common sense on guns, a Democratic President is about the only chance we have, as Supreme Court Judges are the best hope, is a Democrat picking the next judges. 5 to 4 votes on cases about the 2nd Amendment have made it very hard for anything meaningful. The view that the 2nd is a community right, rather than an individual right is the key to doing anything. That was the view for almost 200 years until the court became loaded with NRA approved judges. Staying home in November or voting to send a message may doom any firearm restrictions for another 20 years.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
4. Common sense gun control
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:41 AM
Jun 2016

Means 10s of thousands dead a year at the end of a gun. Not sure if you want a high five or what?

dubyadiprecession

(6,342 posts)
2. Bill Clinton signed the assault weapons ban in 1993...
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:04 AM
Jun 2016

the bill was to be renewed in 2003, but unfortunately dubya ( so many problems start with dubya) was in office then and let it expire.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
5. Assault weapons
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:43 AM
Jun 2016

If the only people killed by guns were killed with assault weapons we'd have a gun violence rate on part with some European countries... In other words they play the smallest part of gun violence imaginable. The guy also had a handgun... Where are the calls for banning those from the Democratic party...

billh58

(6,641 posts)
3. Democratic Party on Gun Control
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:45 AM
Jun 2016
Right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation

We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans' Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements--like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole--so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few.


Reauthorize assault weapons ban, close gun show loophole

We will protect Americans’ Second Amendment right to own firearms, and we will keep guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists by fighting gun crime, reauthorizing the assault weapons ban, and closing the gun show loophole, as President Bush proposed and failed to do.


Strengthen gun control to reduce violence

Democrats passed the Brady Law and the Assault Weapons Ban. We increased federal, state, and local gun crime prosecution by 22 percent since 1992. Now gun crime is down by 35 percent. Now we must do even more. We need mandatory child safety locks. We should require a photo license I.D., a background check, and a gun safety test to buy a new handgun. We support more federal gun prosecutors and giving states and communities another 10,000 prosecutors to fight gun crime.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Democratic_Party_Gun_Control.htm


The above statements by the Democratic Party leadership hardly reflect a lack of support for meaningful gun control, do they? You may want to re-read the SOP for this Group should you care to follow the rules, but if not here it is for your reading pleasure:

The Gun Control Reform Activism group is intended to:

Discuss how to enact progressive gun control reform in a supportive environment. The group serves as a safe haven in which to mobilize supporters in support of measures reducing gun violence by changing laws, culture and practice at the municipal, state, and federal levels. While there is no single solution to the tragic epidemic of gun violence, members agree that more guns are not the solution to gun violence, and are expected to be supportive of the policies of progressive gun control reform organizations.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
6. You realise
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:45 AM
Jun 2016

That those steps wouldn't even lower gun violence by 10%.

And therefor the Democratic party is ok with 27,000 people dying at the end of a gun every year...

Maybe we just have different definitions of success?

billh58

(6,641 posts)
7. Still violating the SOP are you?
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:50 AM
Jun 2016

How much success have you "nothing can be done" types had at reducing gun violence? Modest implementation of new gun control measures have, in fact, reduced gun violence in many places, and Hawaii is a great example.

I ask you again to stop disrupting this Group, and go spread your disregard for other people's efforts to reduce gun violence in this country somewhere else.

jimmy the one

(2,717 posts)
8. baloney
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 02:17 PM
Jun 2016

bernays: Democrats have held the Presidency for 8 years and in that time over 200,000 Americans have died at the end of a gun. And yet neither Democratic candidate has offered anything close to a meaningful plan to deal with this problem. Neither have any Republicans btw.

Hillary Clinton is a gun control supporter. She has expressed her beliefs time & again, and her husband was also for gun control when he was president.
That to you, she has not exhibited a 'meaningful plan', means nowt to the rest of us here. She ranks imo about 85 on a scale to 100 for being a gun control advocate, whereas sanders about a 60, trump about a 15 (these days). So the choice is clear who would moreso support gun control policy, which is sometimes the best &/or only way to evaluate presidential candidates when there is a political issue.
She cannot go whole hog gun control during an election year due to the risk of alienating some naive pro gun democrats who might fall for nra & trump propaganda, such as her wanting to 'destroy' the 2ndA. In the event tho, she likely won't ever go 'whole hog' gun control, but she will be a far better representative than any of the republican candidates this past cycle.

bernays: Americans - the mainstream - are happy to trade endless gun death for the freedom to own unlimited weaponry. Democrats are no different.

Baloney. Open your eyes. Did you misinterpret the senate votes after newtown where dems voted for the AWB, magazine limits, BG checks, while almost all republicans voted against them thus defeating them? If you cannot discern the difference between dems & repubs you have your eyes & ears closed.

bernays: If you want gun control - if that's your main voting issue - there's no one running that represents you. And there likely won't be any time soon.

Hillary's sanity is quite the opposite of trump insanity on gun control, & that's good enough for most of us. Your specious point that 'no one' is running on gun control being the 'main voting issue' doesn't hold much water with this group, since you could say the same thing about most all other issues.

The following demonstrates how wrong you are about dems & guns:

CBS/NYTimes poll: Barack Obama recently announced an executive action that, among other things, seeks to expand background checks for some firearms and strengthen federal enforcement of the nation's current gun laws, particularly in online sales. Do you favor or oppose this action?"
1/7-10/16 Favor Oppose Haven't heardenough Unsure/No answer
.................. 62....... 32.... 2....................... 3
Republicans... 43 ........52... 2....................... 4
Democrats ....81...... 15... 1....................... 4
Independents ...62.... 32... 4....................... 3

http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm

Do you favor or oppose a nationwide ban on assault weapons?"
............. Favor Oppose Unsure/No answer
6/13-14/16 57 .. 38.. 6
Republicans 45.. 50.. 5
Democrats 78.. 18.. 3
Independents 47.. 45.. 8

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