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Al Carroll

(113 posts)
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 10:02 PM Jun 2014

The Four Most Widely Believed Myths About Gun Control

Article of mine that fits the purpose of this group. When you hear these arguments, here's evidence vs.

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/09/1305461/-The-Four-Most-Widely-Believed-Myths-About-Gun-Control
Adapted from an excerpt from Presidents' Body Counts at www.smashwords.com/books/view/419159

The latest domestic massacre in the news is no longer unusual. It is not even by itself, with several other mass shootings also happening recently. What is striking about these shootings is that they no longer bring much outrage, for gun control opponents have in place a series of myths filled with blindness and lack of understanding on the history of firearms in US history.
So hardened are these defenses that there often is no debate at all, and the notion of moderate voices on these issues seems unlikely. I write this article as a man who grew up hunting rabbits and deer in Texas, learning to shoot before I began middle school. I have a lifelong familiarity with guns as a hunter, an army veteran, and a historian who writes about veterans and issues of war, peace, and human rights, and a believer in subsistence hunting rights for Native peoples and the rural poor. Yet I am sure none of that will stop gun rights absolutists from dismissing out of hand the evidence I present.
These are the four most pervasive myths maintained about gun control by their opponents, designed to make debate or dissent on the issue impossible and unanswerable:
1. Gun control does not work.
2. It is barred by the Constitution.
3. It would lead to dictatorship, or firearms keep us free.
4. Guns prevent crime/make us feel safe.

To which I answer:
1. Gun control clearly can work. It worked in the Old West. It worked in Germany after World War I. It worked after Prohibition. It worked in Australia in halting gun massacres. It works in any number of nations with lower far lower death rates from both crime and suicide thanks to gun bans. To what extent a nation should have it is another issue.
There probably is no other era where ideas about it are shaped more by Hollywood than the Old West. The west was not nearly as violent as portrayed on film (except in violence done against Natives, where Hollywood has yet to depict such genocide accurately.) One of the reasons most of these small towns were not that violent was that gun control was common. Sheriffs often barred the carrying of guns. You had to turn yours in to the sheriff as you entered town, and you picked it up as you left.
In Weimar Germany, immediately following World War I, Communists and other leftists tried to overthrow the government. One way they were defeated was by the government banning and seizing guns. Keep in mind a democracy did this. German gun control stopped a Communist revolution. The Nazis, when they came to power, loosened gun control.
Because of Prohibition and the violent struggle for the bootleg trade, the US successfully barred sawed off shotguns, machine guns, and buying guns by mail. This is a success gun rights absolutists ignore. How often does one hear of a drug gang shootout with tommy guns, or a school shooting where the shooter bought the gun by mail?
Australia is just the latest example of a nation's gun control efficiency. Since passing in the 1990s, some murder or suicide rates have dropped by at least a third, by some estimates as high as three quarters. What is often missed by both sides of the debate is that gun suicides kill many more than violent crime. Cutting off access to guns to the mentally ill would be the biggest source of saving lives.
Why would suicides drop? Wouldn't people just kill themselves with something else? No, most suicides are cries for help. Once a suicide fails, or others intervene, many don't try suicide again. Many other ways of killing yourself, like sleeping pills, are not as effective as guns. People take too much and throw up, or are saved by getting their stomachs pumped. A bullet to the temple is far more final.

2. Gun control is not barred by the Constitution. The NRA, acting for the gun industry, has pushed a lot of false ideas with the intent of spreading paranoia and thus gun sales. There was little standing army in the US at the time of the Constitution. Thus the NRA sometimes claims a militia was meant to be “every adult male.” This is false. Militias meant “every adult white male.”
The purpose of a militia was not “to preserve freedom.” Just the opposite, militias were designed to preserve slavery and murder Indians or rebellious slaves. Militias were slave catching patrols. They also were vigilante groups designed to attack Indians. There was nothing noble about militias, and it is ludicrous and ignorant of basic history to paint them as such. With the end of slavery and war against Natives, their purpose is gone, long since dead.
In over 200 years, the courts only ruled on gun control twice. In US v Cruikshank in 1876, the Supreme Court ruled “the right to bears arms is not granted by the Constitution.” That is a direct quote from their decision. In US v Miller in 1939, the Supreme Court ruled the federal government can limit any weapons not related to a militia. If you are not part of the National Guard or reserves, the Constitution does not protect your gun ownership. The last decision by the court, the Heller case, was obviously influenced by decades of NRA rhetoric. The court ruled 5-4, along purely ideological lines.
It may surprise many readers, but the NRA did not get involved in gun control issues until the 1970s. It was mostly an apolitical gun safety organization, until Wayne LaPierre, conspiracy crackpot that he is, was elected president. The NRA actually favored some gun control as late as the 1980s, such as background checks. To keep gun sales up, LaPierre has become more deranged, peddling more extreme conspiracy theories over the years.

3. This is the easiest myth to dispose of. Guns do not keep a nation free. The voice of its people does. Guns do not guarantee freedom because governments can always get more powerful weapons than the public can. There are many democracies with gun control, some with greater freedom than the US. Every nation in Scandinavia, for example, has strict gun control but nothing like the Patriot Act.
Dictatorships do not fear gun ownership, but free voices. Typically their first acts are to shut down universities, newspapers, unions, and churches, not gun shops. Dictatorships even hand out guns. Latin American dictatorships created paramilitaries for their supporters.

4. Guns sometimes prevent crime, but not as much as banning them does. The study often quoted by the gun industry claims guns are used over 2 million times a year to stop crime. It has obvious exaggerations and even outright lies. Much of what many in the study claimed was stopping crime never happened, and in many cases the gun owner was committing a crime, assault or threats. No credible study has found over 100,000 uses of a gun for self defense a year. The Department of Justice only found about 83,000 cases of self defense for six years, or less than 16,000 a year. The number of deaths or injuries from guns is those same years was one and a half times as high.

There are still perfectly valid reasons for gun ownership, such as some forms of hunting. Even self-defense can be a valid argument, but not for blind unthinking gun worship. Guns rights defenders should not argue from ignorance of the cause they believe in, or from irrational conspiracy theories. No one, virtually no major organization or political leader seeks to ban all guns. Gun groups have put their cause in the bizarre situation of even defending wife beaters' alleged “right” to have a gun. Such an approach will backfire, leading to stricter regulation down the line since it becomes easy to paint all gun rights advocates as lunatics.

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Al Carroll is Assistant Professor of History at Northern Virginia Community College and a former Fulbright Scholar. His other books are Medicine Bags and Dog Tags: American Indian Veteran Traditions from Colonial Times to the Second Iraq War and Survivors: Family Histories of Colonialism, Genocide, and War. He is a longtime activist and researcher for NewAgeFraud.org. More information on him can be found at http://alcarroll.com.


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The Four Most Widely Believed Myths About Gun Control (Original Post) Al Carroll Jun 2014 OP
Love is blind, and America loves guns. n/t Loudly Jun 2014 #1
Proper guns used properly is not so much a problem. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #2
Ann Richards fan I see Al Carroll Jun 2014 #7
Welcome to DU. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #8
K&R billh58 Jun 2014 #3
Welcome to DU, Al. Nice post. K&R (that means Kicked & Recommended, btw) nt Electric Monk Jun 2014 #4
Excellent with many points. Bookmarking for reference. K & R for visibility. Welcome to DU. freshwest Jun 2014 #5
Kick for billh58 Jun 2014 #6
A lot of interesting points... Styx Jun 2014 #9
Please be aware of the SOP for Gun Control Reform Activism SecularMotion Jun 2014 #10
Did I violate that in some way? Styx Jun 2014 #12
Your post in this group is not a violation of the SOP SecularMotion Jun 2014 #13
Ok, I understand that. Styx Jun 2014 #14
Welcome back! n/t billh58 Jun 2014 #11
Thanx, but... Styx Jun 2014 #15
OK then. Kingofalldems Jun 2014 #16
He's gone, billh58 Jul 2014 #18
Your welcome :) discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2014 #19
Bragging, or complaining? n/t billh58 Jul 2014 #20
Can you not find a groove? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2014 #21
Sorry Bubba, but there billh58 Jul 2014 #22
It's been... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2014 #23
Indeed it has... n/t billh58 Jul 2014 #24
Bump! n/t billh58 Jun 2014 #17

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
2. Proper guns used properly is not so much a problem.
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 10:21 PM
Jun 2014

Have guns myself, have always been taught safety, safety, safety. There was a time I viewed NRA as a like interested group who was about safety but not anymore. I still hope sanity will over run the insanity and we can arrive at a safe middle point for everyone's safety. We control speed on our streets, we can control other things also. We can control weapons availability and still respect the right to bear arms.

Al Carroll

(113 posts)
7. Ann Richards fan I see
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 09:33 PM
Jun 2014

I grew up in TX using guns. Like you I have no problem seeing them regulated.

Thanks to all the welcomes.

 

Styx

(30 posts)
9. A lot of interesting points...
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 03:58 PM
Jun 2014

But I think you have a couple minor errors of fact. One is that the GCA of '34 didn't ban sawed-off shotguns, machine guns, etc. Just imposed a hefty (basically prohibitive) tax on such items. It also did not end the mail order sale of guns. They were still being sold by mail until the sixties, when congress passed a ban courtesy of Lee Harvey Oswald, who bought both his rifle and revolver by mail.

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
10. Please be aware of the SOP for Gun Control Reform Activism
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 06:54 PM
Jun 2014
Discuss how to enact progressive gun control reform in a supportive environment. The group serves as a safe haven in which to mobilize supporters in support of measures reducing gun violence by changing laws, culture and practice at the municipal, state, and federal levels. While there is no single solution to the tragic epidemic of gun violence, members agree that more guns are not the solution to gun violence, and are expected to be supportive of the policies of progressive gun control reform organizations.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1262
 

Styx

(30 posts)
12. Did I violate that in some way?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 04:24 AM
Jun 2014

If so, it wasn't intentional, I assure you. I wasn't attacking Mr. Carroll, or trying to argue with his central points or arguments. I was trying to give constructive feedback on a couple of minor points he might want to revise. My statements were purely about existing law and what it presently says, not future law and what it should say. I'm new to DU, and really to forums in general, but I have every intention of abiding by the rules and practices of your group when posting here. I thought helping him polish the argument with a couple of peripheral tweaks would be welcome, sorry if it wasn't.

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
13. Your post in this group is not a violation of the SOP
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 05:04 AM
Jun 2014

I just wanted to make you aware that this group is a safe haven for support of gun control. NRA propaganda and posts arguing against gun control may result in your being blocked from this group.

 

Styx

(30 posts)
14. Ok, I understand that.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 06:15 AM
Jun 2014

I may post questions or arguments elsewhere that would not be allowed here, but I am a big believer in "my house, my rules". When I post in your group, it will be within the SOP established. I have no interest in pointlessly annoying people.

 

Styx

(30 posts)
15. Thanx, but...
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 06:17 AM
Jun 2014

I think you have me confused with someone else. This is my first time here. I'm looking forward to getting to know people, though, and learning from them. Appreciate the kind sentiment, regardless.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,578 posts)
21. Can you not find a groove?
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 08:59 PM
Jul 2014

...a middle ground...neither extreme but a sedate and soothing area?

Neither bragging nor complaining but embracing a middle ground. I'm not looking for enemies or controversy.

billh58

(6,641 posts)
22. Sorry Bubba, but there
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:05 PM
Jul 2014

is no "middle ground" with hard core Gungeoneers, which why this safe haven Group was formed in the first place. Your attempts to disrupt this Group and then brag about it in the Gungeon speak volumes about you and your gunner buddies.

And btw, the "nuking" of an obvious gun troll was by a consensus of MIRT members, yet you claim all of the credit? Sad.

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