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BigmanPigman

(52,260 posts)
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 10:33 PM Nov 2022

Cannabis is not the pain killer some hoped it would be.....

https://www.sciencealert.com/cannabis-for-pain-relief-review-of-20-studies-provides-sobering-results

"Although cannabis (and cannabis-derived products, such as CBD) may be widely used for reducing pain, how effective it really is in doing this is still unclear. This is what our recent systematic review and meta-analysis sought to uncover.

Our study, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, suggests cannabis is no better at relieving pain than a placebo.

There are numerous examples of the relationship between treatment expectations and placebo responses. If a person thinks they will experience relief from their pain by using a certain product or treatment, this can change the way they end up perceiving incoming pain signals – making them think their pain is less severe. Recent evidence suggests that the placebo effect may work even if we're presented with evidence that contradicts our initial expectations."

*My own personal experience over the last 30 years supports this theory. I have tried it for everything from menstrual cramps and migraines to pancreatitus and it has never reduced any of my pain. It helps me sleep at night and that is with 90% Indica so that is why I use it.
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Cannabis is not the pain killer some hoped it would be..... (Original Post) BigmanPigman Nov 2022 OP
In my experience EYESORE 9001 Nov 2022 #1
I find that alcohol helps better than pot BigmanPigman Nov 2022 #2
Alcohol can certainly do that EYESORE 9001 Nov 2022 #3
Yes, that IS the downside. BigmanPigman Nov 2022 #4
I asked a friend of mine with cancer who was prescribed pot for pain if it really worked. Midnight Writer Dec 2022 #9
Thing is all pain meds work to disconnect you from pain regardless their form or strength PortTack Dec 2022 #12
Same here. tazkcmo Dec 2022 #14
The Schedule I classification of cannabis/marijuana limits research that can be done on its effects. walkingman Nov 2022 #5
Some agree with the above premise but postulate that Firestorm49 Nov 2022 #6
I've also found that combining CBD/THC/CBN is better FirstLight Nov 2022 #7
I haven't tried anything other than CBD Slammer Dec 2022 #11
I take Ambian every night and BigmanPigman Dec 2022 #13
I call bull shit questionseverything Nov 2022 #8
It cuts my use of prescription Hydrocodone probably in half. OverBurn Dec 2022 #10
This is a documented affect of legal medical Unwind Your Mind Dec 2022 #17
Raw Cannabis is an alternative... MiHale Dec 2022 #15
I started on medical mj when I had major surgery and couldn't tolerate the drugs. lark Dec 2022 #16
Same here. BigmanPigman Dec 2022 #18

EYESORE 9001

(27,517 posts)
1. In my experience
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 10:41 PM
Nov 2022

it wasn’t so much reduction of pain as it was a ‘disconnect’ between the pain and constant awareness of it.

Midnight Writer

(22,974 posts)
9. I asked a friend of mine with cancer who was prescribed pot for pain if it really worked.
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 12:50 AM
Dec 2022

He said it doesn't stop the pain, it just stops you from thinking about it all the time.

PortTack

(34,653 posts)
12. Thing is all pain meds work to disconnect you from pain regardless their form or strength
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 03:48 AM
Dec 2022

To say cannabis is no better than a placebo…that’s smack talk by big pharma. does it work for everyone, no. This true of every drug as well. no one thing works for everyone.

walkingman

(8,344 posts)
5. The Schedule I classification of cannabis/marijuana limits research that can be done on its effects.
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 10:48 PM
Nov 2022

Very disappointed that the current administration did not reclassify it. I wonder what will have in the next few years?

Firestorm49

(4,195 posts)
6. Some agree with the above premise but postulate that
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 11:14 PM
Nov 2022

they simply become less aware of the pain for the duration of their “high”.

FirstLight

(14,096 posts)
7. I've also found that combining CBD/THC/CBN is better
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 11:18 PM
Nov 2022

With the patches I get for chronic and arthritis flareups, the whole spectrum of cannaboids and terpenes are meant to work together....

I also agree with the ability to dissociate is key in much of pain relief.


Wish we could get it off the Schedule I list and get REAL science studies

Slammer

(714 posts)
11. I haven't tried anything other than CBD
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 02:18 AM
Dec 2022

My personal experience is that it didn't help with pain but it did help me with getting to sleep easier.

It's not worth the expense since there are sleep aids which are much cheaper. But I accept free CBD samples when offered them.

BigmanPigman

(52,260 posts)
13. I take Ambian every night and
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 04:20 AM
Dec 2022

I still have difficulty sleeping. My doctor said I have "industrial strength insomnia". Even if I take over the counter sleep meds, Ambian and another pill and I still suffer. So I smoke 90% Indica at night before bed and when I wake up 3 hours later and have to take them all all over again (twice a night). This is ridiculous. It takes 12 hours tonget 8 hours of sleep.

I haven't been able to sleep well since Middle School (that long ago).

OverBurn

(1,089 posts)
10. It cuts my use of prescription Hydrocodone probably in half.
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 01:31 AM
Dec 2022

Weed may not be as effective, but it's sure a lot safer.

Unwind Your Mind

(2,144 posts)
17. This is a documented affect of legal medical
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 01:43 PM
Dec 2022

Reduction in opiate prescriptions. Seems like a good thing to me but I suppose the powers that be disagree

MiHale

(10,784 posts)
15. Raw Cannabis is an alternative...
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 08:18 AM
Dec 2022

Raw or fresh cannabis is a little different than what most people use. Availability is probably the biggest problem, it’s best if you grow your own or have a trusted source for raw product so you know for sure it’s completely free of any pesticides or leftover fertilizer, these will negate any positive effects of the raw vegetable. Yes, cannabis is a vegetable.

Raw cannabis provides a number of outstanding nutritional benefits. However, it will not get you high. There is no psychoactive component to raw cannabis because heat must be applied to activate THC or tetrahydrocannabinol. In its raw form, cannabis contains THCA– the precursor to THC and CBDA the precursor to CBD. In order for THCA/CBDA to convert into THC/CBD heat must be applied. This process if often referred to as decarboxylation. So raw cannabis can be consumed without psychoactivity. Which is great news for patients who need high concentrations of cannabinoids in their diet.

As cannabis research steps out of the shadows and into the light, more information is being unveiled regarding the therapeutic properties of the cannabis plant. In fact, it is now believed that THCA* may play a pivotal role as an anti-inflammatory. Some studies suggest THCA* may even be neuroprotective and can prevent cancer. While there is currently not enough research to definitively say the degree in which THCA* acts as an anti-inflammatory, preliminary research and anecdotal evidence indicate this cannabinoid contains powerful therapeutic properties. Because THCA* is only present when cannabis isn’t heated, consuming raw cannabis is an excellent way to nourish the body with this healthy cannabinoid.

*To complete the “entourage” effect CBDA is also present, newer studies show that the combination is more potent.

I’m working on a post that will explain further.

lark

(24,164 posts)
16. I started on medical mj when I had major surgery and couldn't tolerate the drugs.
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 11:15 AM
Dec 2022

It made me not care so much, much easier to handle the pain. What I did find is that it really helped my anxiety, and of course getting to sleep which is how I was using it illegally for many years. So now I legally smoke strong indicas for sleep because otherwise I don't sleep, and a balanced hybrid with strong caryophyllene (sp?) helps me deal with anxiety during the day. This also helps when anxiety spikes & makes me unable to eat.

BigmanPigman

(52,260 posts)
18. Same here.
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 06:50 PM
Dec 2022

I smoke only before bed and when I wake up throughout the night. And this is WITH Ambian. I have "industrial strength insomnia" according to my doctor who also has insomnia, so he knows what I go through.

91% Indica helps.

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